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rogereti



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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:29 am    Post subject: DVD Regions, PAL, NTSC, and HDTV Reply with quote

1. How closely coupled are the DVD Regions with the geographic TV standards (e.g. Region 1 with NTSC and Region 2 with PAL, etc.)? I assumed they were fairly closely coupled until I came across Region 0 DVDs and All Region DVDs (which I assume are the same). I'd like to understand what's going on under the surface. I thought that a Region 2 DVD would give me PAL output, but it's obviously more complex if a Region 0 DVD will play on PAL, NTSC, Secam, and whatever other formats are out there.

2. How do HDTV, HDMI, and S-Video fit into the picture? I'm assuming that S-Video will just give me a fairly clean picture for a traditional format (PAL, NTSC, etc.) assuming I have either a multi-standard player and/or a multi-standard TV. I likewise assume that HDMI will allow me to link my DVD player to the HDTV unit directly and somehow maximize the picture quality (not sure how this works since I've read 480p lines for DVD and up to 1080p (I think) for HDMI). Is this correct? Finally, what happens if I plug a multi-region player into a HDTV unit via S-Video? Does it go down to the lowest common denominator (e.g. NTSC) so that I end up with a crummy NTSC picture on my fancy HDTV unit?

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Dave
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: DVD Regions, PAL, NTSC, and HDTV Reply with quote

"rogereti" <roger@island-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:
1. How closely coupled are the DVD Regions with the geographic TV
standards (e.g. Region 1 with NTSC and Region 2 with PAL, etc.)? I
assumed they were fairly closely coupled

Generally they are - but also remember the other Regions - Australia for
instanc s Region 4 and is PAL, Japan is NTSC but not Region 1 (think it is
3??).

Quote:
until I came across Region 0
DVDs and All Region DVDs (which I assume are the same). I'd like to
understand what's going on under the surface. I thought that a Region
2 DVD would give me PAL output, but it's obviously more complex if a
Region 0 DVD will play on PAL, NTSC, Secam, and whatever other
formats are out there.


Not necessarily - A DVD can be Region free or 0 so that it COULD be played
anywhere, BUT it also depends on the system coding whether it is NTSC/PAL or
others. So you could get a Region 0 NTSC or a Region 0 PAL etc.

Whether you can actually watch it will depend on whether your TV can cope
with the signal (most but not all DVD players in the UK will handle both PAL
& NTSC but some TVs won't.

As I cannot answer the next bit I will not try.


Quote:
2. How do HDTV, HDMI, and S-Video fit into the picture? I'm assuming
that S-Video will just give me a fairly clean picture for a
traditional format (PAL, NTSC, etc.) assuming I have either a
multi-standard player and/or a multi-standard TV. I likewise assume
that HDMI will allow me to link my DVD player to the HDTV unit
directly and somehow maximize the picture quality (not sure how this
works since I've read 480p lines for DVD and up to 1080p (I think)
for HDMI). Is this correct? Finally, what happens if I plug a
multi-region player into a HDTV unit via S-Video? Does it go down to
the lowest common denominator (e.g. NTSC) so that I end up with a
crummy NTSC picture on my fancy HDTV unit?


DaveB
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rogereti



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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:06 pm    Post subject: What about playing different region DVDs on computers? Reply with quote

Thanks, Dave.

Do you know what happens when I play DVDs from different Regions and with different TV standards on my computer?

I know that I have to manually switch Regions, but having done that, the DVD seems to play happily regardless of whether it is PAL or NTSC. Does the PC take an analog signal from the DVD and process it depending on whether it is PAL or NTSC or is it able to find a digital signal on the DVD and feed that straight to the monitor?
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Gene E. Bloch
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:39 am    Post subject: Re: What about playing different region DVDs on computers? Reply with quote

On 2/10/2005, rogereti managed to type:
Quote:
Thanks, Dave.

Do you know what happens when I play DVDs from different Regions and
with different TV standards on my computer?

I know that I have to manually switch Regions, but having done that,
the DVD seems to play happily regardless of whether it is PAL or
NTSC. Does the PC take an analog signal from the DVD and process it
depending on whether it is PAL or NTSC or is it able to find a digital
signal on the DVD and feed that straight to the monitor?

DVDs are digital. There is no analog data on them.

The computer has the software to put both kinds of video on the display
is all.

However, you will almost certainly soon find out that your DVD drive
allows only about 5 region changes, and you will permanently be set to
the region it was in after the last change.

One solution is software region fakers such as AnyDVD and DVD
RegionFree (I use the second one). They are not free, but they do the
job.

HTH,
Gino

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rogereti



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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:15 pm    Post subject: All digital, eh? Reply with quote

Thank you, Gino.

I think I must be missing something. If DVDs are all digital, what or how is one made PAL and another NTSC? To my simply mind, the best approach would have been to have a purely digital image converted into PAL or NTSC or whatever in the DVD player, but that obviously isn't the way it's done since some DVDs are clearly labled "PAL" and others "NTSC".

Do you know what is done to a DVD to make them only suitable for different analog formats?
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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Re: All digital, eh? Reply with quote

"rogereti" <roger@island-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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| Thank you, Gino.
|
| I think I must be missing something. If DVDs are all digital, what or
| how is one made PAL and another NTSC? To my simply mind, the best
| approach would have been to have a purely digital image converted
| into PAL or NTSC or whatever in the DVD player, but that obviously
| isn't the way it's done since some DVDs are clearly labled "PAL" and
| others "NTSC".
|
| Do you know what is done to a DVD to make them only suitable for
| different analog formats?
|

The differences between PAL and NTSC are resolution and frames per second.
These differences live in the digital world as well as in the analog world.

SB
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rogereti



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Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: re:DVD Regions, PAL, NTSC, and HDTV Reply with quote

Thanks, DB.

I understand that PAL and NTSC have different resolutions, etc. But how is it that (for example) a high-definition TV will display an NTSC DVD at a much higher resolution than standard NTSC.

Or - to put it another way - why if DVDs are resolution dependent as you suggest, why aren't there HDTV DVDs as well?
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Posted: Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Re: re:DVD Regions, PAL, NTSC, and HDTV Reply with quote

"rogereti" <roger@island-dot-net.no-spam.invalid> wrote in message
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Thanks, DB.

I understand that PAL and NTSC have different resolutions, etc. But
how is it that (for example) a high-definition TV will display an
NTSC DVD at a much higher resolution than standard NTSC.

Where did you hear this? This is not actually true. However many HDTV's
will scale the original standard definition(480) to 720, or 1080. Unless
you turn on special gimmicks in your tv, it will display a DVD at teh same
resolution as a regular tv. There are now players that will upscale the
resolution for you, but it isnt the same as HDTV resolution.

Quote:

Or - to put it another way - why if DVDs are resolution dependent as
you suggest, why aren't there HDTV DVDs as well?


Current DVD technology, more importantly, the storage capacity of the
current disks, cannot deal with huge GB needed to store a movie in Hi-Def..
HD-DVD/Blu-Ray disks which will hold 20-30GB or more and players are due out
within the year.
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