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Mark Hanson
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:27 am Post subject:
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I'm about to get a CRT HDTV, and all the models I'm considering have at
least one HDMI input. I'm also interesting in one day replacing my old Sony
DVD player with a model that can upconvert to 1080i. Both models I found
after a quick seach -- the Toshiba SD-5970 and Samsung DVD-HD481 -- have DVI
outputs. I assume there's a DVI-to-HDMI cable out there somewhere (how much
would it cost?), but would it be better to wait for a DVD player with an
HDMI output, assuming there will be such a thing?
Mark
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Eras
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:53 pm Post subject:
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"Mark Hanson" <myspamhole2004@yahoo.com> wrote
| Quote: | I'm about to get a CRT HDTV, and all the models I'm considering have at
least one HDMI input. I'm also interesting in one day replacing my old
Sony
DVD player with a model that can upconvert to 1080i. Both models I found
after a quick seach -- the Toshiba SD-5970 and Samsung DVD-HD481 -- have
DVI
outputs. I assume there's a DVI-to-HDMI cable out there somewhere (how
much
would it cost?),
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DVI-HDMI cables for less than $10
http://www.monoprice.com
| Quote: | but would it be better to wait for a DVD player with an
HDMI output, assuming there will be such a thing?
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There will be, but it won't be a standard definition DVD player. It'll be
HD-DVD and/or BluRay. Unless you really need a new DVD player, I'd say to
save your cash and wait for high definition DVD (HD-DVD and.or BluRay).
They are both on the horizon and could see daylight by the end of this year.
(Probably more like 18 months though.) Upconverting 480i/p to 1080i makes
little sense (you don't have enough data in a 480 signal to fill a 1080
resolution) -- and in my experience, actually looks horrible compared to
keeping it at it's native 480 resolution... |
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Eras
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:
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Too add to my previous post:
Plus, more than likely HDMI (or DVI) isn't really going to give any
'advantage' over component cables with a CRT. A CRT is analog, so any
'benefit' with using digital cables over component comes down to which has a
better D/A conversion: the device (STB, DVD player, etc) or the TV itself.
I also have a CRT HDTV and can't note any difference in picture quality
between using an DVI-HDMI cable versus component cables. (That is, with the
cable STB as the source.) The only reason why I'm using an HDMI-DVI cable
between the TV/STB is simply to free up one of the sets of component inputs
as I have all of it's component inputs being used by DVD player and game
consoles... |
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Richard
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject:
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"Eras" <none@nospam.none.not> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Too add to my previous post:
Plus, more than likely HDMI (or DVI) isn't really going to give any
'advantage' over component cables with a CRT. A CRT is analog, so any
'benefit' with using digital cables over component comes down to which has
a
better D/A conversion: the device (STB, DVD player, etc) or the TV
itself.
I also have a CRT HDTV and can't note any difference in picture quality
between using an DVI-HDMI cable versus component cables. (That is, with
the
cable STB as the source.) The only reason why I'm using an HDMI-DVI cable
between the TV/STB is simply to free up one of the sets of component
inputs
as I have all of it's component inputs being used by DVD player and game
consoles...
Wrong; there are cheap enough units out there already. Sony has one that is |
even reviewed this month is Sound & Vision. But you might be better off
using the interconnect with the player set to 480i and let the TV do all the
conversions in digital mode.
Richard. |
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Dick
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:18:31 GMT, "Richard" <rfeirste@nycap.rr.com>
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"Eras" <none@nospam.none.not> wrote in message
news:s45Gd.3390$re1.2780@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Too add to my previous post:
Plus, more than likely HDMI (or DVI) isn't really going to give any
'advantage' over component cables with a CRT. A CRT is analog, so any
'benefit' with using digital cables over component comes down to which has
a
better D/A conversion: the device (STB, DVD player, etc) or the TV
itself.
I also have a CRT HDTV and can't note any difference in picture quality
between using an DVI-HDMI cable versus component cables. (That is, with
the
cable STB as the source.) The only reason why I'm using an HDMI-DVI cable
between the TV/STB is simply to free up one of the sets of component
inputs
as I have all of it's component inputs being used by DVD player and game
consoles...
Wrong; there are cheap enough units out there already. Sony has one that is
even reviewed this month is Sound & Vision. But you might be better off
using the interconnect with the player set to 480i and let the TV do all the
conversions in digital mode.
Richard.
The Toshiba SD5970 has HDMI output not DVI and comes with a 1 meter |
HDMI cable. The video that is upconverted by the dvd player looks
better than letting the TV do the conversion IMHO.
Dick |
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Mark Hanson
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Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:
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"Dick" <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The Toshiba SD5970 has HDMI output not DVI and comes with a 1 meter
HDMI cable. The video that is upconverted by the dvd player looks
better than letting the TV do the conversion IMHO.
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It outputs HDMI? I looked a a photo on Crutchfield.com, and it has a DVI
plug. Is that photo wrong, or has the unit been upgraded?
Mark |
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Dennis Mayer
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:22 am Post subject:
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Mark Hanson wrote:
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I'm about to get a CRT HDTV, and all the models I'm considering have at
least one HDMI input. I'm also interesting in one day replacing my old Sony
DVD player with a model that can upconvert to 1080i. Both models I found
after a quick seach -- the Toshiba SD-5970 and Samsung DVD-HD481 -- have DVI
outputs. I assume there's a DVI-to-HDMI cable out there somewhere (how much
would it cost?), but would it be better to wait for a DVD player with an
HDMI output, assuming there will be such a thing?
Mark
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DVI and HDMI cables are different... but they both carry the
identical 'pass thru' Digital Video signal...
HDMI also carries the Digital Audio signal...
I'm reading that HDMI only carries Dolby Digital 2.0,
not DD 5.1?? |
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Matthew L. Martin
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:55 am Post subject:
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Dennis Mayer wrote:
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I'm reading that HDMI only carries Dolby Digital 2.0,
not DD 5.1??
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You are reading something that is wrong. All DD audio has the same
carrier frequency. The cable has no idea what the channel configuration is.
Matthew
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Z
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:35 am Post subject:
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Mark Hanson wrote the following on 1/15/2005 2:22 AM:
| Quote: | I'm about to get a CRT HDTV, and all the models I'm considering have at
least one HDMI input. I'm also interesting in one day replacing my old Sony
DVD player with a model that can upconvert to 1080i. Both models I found
after a quick seach -- the Toshiba SD-5970 and Samsung DVD-HD481 -- have DVI
outputs. I assume there's a DVI-to-HDMI cable out there somewhere (how much
would it cost?), but would it be better to wait for a DVD player with an
HDMI output, assuming there will be such a thing?
Mark
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The Panasonic DVD-S97S has upconversion to 720p or 1080i and an HDMI output.
http://tinyurl.com/3szh7 |
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Eras
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Sun Jan 16, 2005 8:24 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Wrong; there are cheap enough units out there already. Sony has one that
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even reviewed this month is Sound & Vision. But you might be better off
using the interconnect with the player set to 480i and let the TV do all
the
conversions in digital mode.
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I went back and re-read both of my replies twice, yet can't conclude exactly
what "cheap enough units out there already" devices you are refering to.
Are you refering to a DVD player now available that is actually employing
true HD media? If so, I'm interested in which model this Sony is -- not to
mention where true HD media for it is available. (Not refering to D-VHS, of
course.)
If you are refering to a standard DVD player that upconverts standard DVD
media to HD, I don't recall stating that they didn't exist. I've seen them.
I simply questioned the purpose of such a player. Using both my TV and a
STB, I took a look at upconverting my DVD's output to 1080i and found it be
much better just to keep it at 480p. A standard DVD player capable of
upconversion seems to me more like a "gimmick" and a way for the
manufacturer to justify slapping "High Definition" on the player. What good
is 1080i coming out if the source (standard DVD) is 480?
Just trying to see where you are coming from... (?) |
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Richard
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:16 am Post subject:
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"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Dennis Mayer wrote:
I'm reading that HDMI only carries Dolby Digital 2.0,
not DD 5.1??
You are reading something that is wrong. All DD audio has the same carrier
frequency. The cable has no idea what the channel configuration is.
Matthew
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Thermodynamics and/or Golf for dummies: There is a game
You can't win
You can't break even
You can't get out of the game
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It is not the HDMI interconnect, but the chip set in the box, player or TV.
There are some reports that some HDMI equipped hardware is not sending 5.1,
DVD-A or DSD, but this is so early in the game who knows if they are
accurate reports. I would expect that at least full DD and DTS 5.1 is fully
implemented.
Richard. |
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Steven de Mena
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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"Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Dennis Mayer wrote:
I'm reading that HDMI only carries Dolby Digital 2.0,
not DD 5.1??
You are reading something that is wrong. All DD audio has the same carrier
frequency. The cable has no idea what the channel configuration is.
Matthew
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I believe that was correct (HDMI only carried 2-channel audio) but that
something was coming (or was already here) to rectify that. |
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Steven de Mena
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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"Eras" <none@nospam.none.not> wrote in message
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"Mark Hanson" <myspamhole2004@yahoo.com> wrote
I'm about to get a CRT HDTV, and all the models I'm considering have at
least one HDMI input. I'm also interesting in one day replacing my old
Sony
DVD player with a model that can upconvert to 1080i. Both models I found
after a quick seach -- the Toshiba SD-5970 and Samsung DVD-HD481 -- have
DVI
outputs. I assume there's a DVI-to-HDMI cable out there somewhere (how
much
would it cost?),
DVI-HDMI cables for less than $10
http://www.monoprice.com
but would it be better to wait for a DVD player with an
HDMI output, assuming there will be such a thing?
There will be, but it won't be a standard definition DVD player. It'll be
HD-DVD and/or BluRay.
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My Denon 3910 DVD player has both DVI and HDMI outputs.
As DVI and HDMI are both digital I wouldn't think there would be a picture
quality difference between the two. (HDMI can carry audio also, if
interested)
I run HDMI to my Sharp LCD and connect my laptop PC to the Sharp via DVI.
Steve |
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Richard
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 8:26 am Post subject:
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"Mark Hanson" <myspamhole2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Dick" <NoOne@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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The Toshiba SD5970 has HDMI output not DVI and comes with a 1 meter
HDMI cable. The video that is upconverted by the dvd player looks
better than letting the TV do the conversion IMHO.
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If that is true than that Toshiba set has a poor quality chip set for this
conversion function. Many sets do a superior job.
Richard. |
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Matthew L. Martin
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Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:45 pm Post subject:
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Steven de Mena wrote:
| Quote: | "Matthew L. Martin" <nothere@notnow.never> wrote in message
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Dennis Mayer wrote:
I'm reading that HDMI only carries Dolby Digital 2.0,
not DD 5.1??
You are reading something that is wrong. All DD audio has the same carrier
frequency. The cable has no idea what the channel configuration is.
Matthew
I believe that was correct (HDMI only carried 2-channel audio) but that
something was coming (or was already here) to rectify that.
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If HDMI is carrying only two channels then it would make sense that they
would be analog. There is no (reasonable) way to restrict the content of
a digital carrier.
Of course, if you have a citation, I'd be happy to read it.
Matthew
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