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mcp6453
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

Further to my prior posts, I have been desperately trying to learn how
to burn RTV .mpg files to DVD without transcoding. I have now purchased
Nero 6 Ultra, which includes NeroVision and other DVD functions. I
opened an RTV .mpg file in NeroVision and wrote it out to the hard
drive, where it was saved as .vob and other DVD-appropriate files. For
the first time, after burning the files to one of my dwindling supply of
DVDs, the audio and video quality are as good as the original file
(probably meaning that the file was not transcoded). However, the audio
is lagging behind the video. What gives?

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CheezWiz
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

Your trying to use raw RTV files as a source.
RTV files are not truly mpeg compliant.

http://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?guideid=696


"mcp6453" <mcp6453@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Further to my prior posts, I have been desperately trying to learn how to
burn RTV .mpg files to DVD without transcoding. I have now purchased Nero
6 Ultra, which includes NeroVision and other DVD functions. I opened an
RTV .mpg file in NeroVision and wrote it out to the hard drive, where it
was saved as .vob and other DVD-appropriate files. For the first time,
after burning the files to one of my dwindling supply of DVDs, the audio
and video quality are as good as the original file (probably meaning that
the file was not transcoded). However, the audio is lagging behind the
video. What gives?
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mcp6453
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

I opened the file in VideoReDo, ran Quick Stream Fix, and burned it to
DVD using Nero 6 Ultra. Everything is in sync.

There are differing opinions here as to whether the files created by RTV
in the medium mode are "standard" mpg files. Apparently they are not, as
you say.

CheezWiz wrote:
Quote:
Your trying to use raw RTV files as a source.
RTV files are not truly mpeg compliant.

http://www.videohelp.com/guides.php?guideid=696


"mcp6453" <mcp6453@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Further to my prior posts, I have been desperately trying to learn how to
burn RTV .mpg files to DVD without transcoding. I have now purchased Nero
6 Ultra, which includes NeroVision and other DVD functions. I opened an
RTV .mpg file in NeroVision and wrote it out to the hard drive, where it
was saved as .vob and other DVD-appropriate files. For the first time,
after burning the files to one of my dwindling supply of DVDs, the audio
and video quality are as good as the original file (probably meaning that
the file was not transcoded). However, the audio is lagging behind the
video. What gives?


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Mark Lloyd
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:54:33 -0500, "CheezWiz" <cw@bgoff.co.uk> wrote:

Quote:
Your trying to use raw RTV files as a source.
RTV files are not truly mpeg compliant.


The way I heard it, they are.

The MPEG standard is very broad, much more so than what is required by
DVD players. Some file conversion is necessary to make the files
playable on DVD.

BTW, I've recently been downloading some video from newsgroups. These
files require MORE conversion when writing to DVD than Replay files
do.

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believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
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General Kireiko
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:04 am    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

CheezWiz <cw@bgoff.co.uk> wrote:
: Standard MPEGS from video cd require a treatment with RTV Tools
: rtvconvert.exe to play on an RTV.
: If RTV was using standardized mpeg, why would already standard files require
: modification?
: That's the circle of logic I get stuck in.

THere are several MPEG standards.

Video CDs (VCD) contain MPEGs to MPEG-1 standard. DVDs contain MPEGs which
are MPEG-2. I have read that the DVD spec includes MPEG-1, but any time
I have wanted to include an old MPEG-1 onto a DVD, my authoring software
wants to re-code to MPEG-2. So I usually don't bother, and just run it
out to VCD.

-Doug
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made a mistake, a red light went on and 18,000 people started
screaming?" - Jacques Plante, goalie
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General Kireiko
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:05 am    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

General Kireiko <douglas@panix.com> wrote:
: Video CDs (VCD) contain MPEGs to MPEG-1 standard. DVDs contain MPEGs which
: are MPEG-2.


I should also add that Replays use MPEG-2, NOT MPEG-1.

-Doug
--
"How would you like it if you were a business executive, and when you
made a mistake, a red light went on and 18,000 people started
screaming?" - Jacques Plante, goalie
METS = My Entire Team Sucks GO RANGERS!!!
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CheezWiz
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Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:57 am    Post subject: Re: The DVD Challenge Continues Reply with quote

Standard MPEGS from video cd require a treatment with RTV Tools
rtvconvert.exe to play on an RTV.
If RTV was using standardized mpeg, why would already standard files require
modification?
That's the circle of logic I get stuck in.

Xvid is a "loose" adherence to mpeg, but it is screwy..

This is one description I found about this issue:
"Technically, ReplayTV's MPEG encoding, though DVD-compliant at Medium
Quality, often introduces errors that can wreak havoc on most DVD authoring
programs (including DMF2.) Typically, the file contains PTS (Presentation
Time Stamps) errors, and sometimes GOP (Group Of Pictures) errors. So, the
..MPG file needs to be "cleaned up" somehow so your authoring program can
import it. These errors are notorious for throwing your audio and video out
of sync. "

So it may be compliant, but sloppy as hell..?

CW


"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:54:33 -0500, "CheezWiz" <cw@bgoff.co.uk> wrote:

Your trying to use raw RTV files as a source.
RTV files are not truly mpeg compliant.


The way I heard it, they are.

The MPEG standard is very broad, much more so than what is required by
DVD players. Some file conversion is necessary to make the files
playable on DVD.

BTW, I've recently been downloading some video from newsgroups. These
files require MORE conversion when writing to DVD than Replay files
do.

[snip]
--
67 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam."
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