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mcp6453
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:47 am Post subject:
Quality Questions |
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It seems that the quality of a downloaded RTV show is not the same when
it is played on a DVD as it is from the unit itself. At this point, I'm
so confused as to what I did that I cannot accurately retrace my steps.
Therefore, let me pose this question. What is the simplest way to grab
an RTV 4080 file with DVArchive, place it on my hard drive, and burn it
to a DVD for viewing on a standard DVD player?
Here are some of the tools that I have:
VideoReDo
AVS Media Converter
DivxtoDVD
WinAVI
TMPGenc
NTI DVD Maker
DVD Shrink
DVD Decrypter
ReVue 1.1a5
Note that the free version of NTI DVD-Maker 7 apparently does not do any
conversions. The file to be burned must be in TS_VIDEO/.vob format, if I
understand the program.
My guess is that the video loss is occurring when the .mpg file from the
4080 is converted to the .vob file. I was glad to see the DVD play, but
the quality is below what I think it should be, when the DVD is compared
with the same show as played on the RTV.
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JR
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:29 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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I use Womble Mpeg-Vcr and Ulead Movie Factory disc creator 3
Regards,
JR
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| Quote: | It seems that the quality of a downloaded RTV show is not the same when it
is played on a DVD as it is from the unit itself. At this point, I'm so
confused as to what I did that I cannot accurately retrace my steps.
Therefore, let me pose this question. What is the simplest way to grab an
RTV 4080 file with DVArchive, place it on my hard drive, and burn it to a
DVD for viewing on a standard DVD player?
Here are some of the tools that I have:
VideoReDo
AVS Media Converter
DivxtoDVD
WinAVI
TMPGenc
NTI DVD Maker
DVD Shrink
DVD Decrypter
ReVue 1.1a5
Note that the free version of NTI DVD-Maker 7 apparently does not do any
conversions. The file to be burned must be in TS_VIDEO/.vob format, if I
understand the program.
My guess is that the video loss is occurring when the .mpg file from the
4080 is converted to the .vob file. I was glad to see the DVD play, but
the quality is below what I think it should be, when the DVD is compared
with the same show as played on the RTV. |
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mcp6453
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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JR wrote:
| Quote: | I use Womble Mpeg-Vcr and Ulead Movie Factory disc creator 3
Regards,
JR
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I do not need to edit the MPG file. Does Womble do anything other than
editing? Does it do any conversion from non-standard MPG (ReplayTV) to
standard MPG (DVD)? Or can the MPG from RTV go straight to MF? |
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Tony D.
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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mcp6453 wrote:
| Quote: | JR wrote:
I use Womble Mpeg-Vcr and Ulead Movie Factory disc creator 3
Regards,
JR
I do not need to edit the MPG file. Does Womble do anything other than
editing? Does it do any conversion from non-standard MPG (ReplayTV) to
standard MPG (DVD)? Or can the MPG from RTV go straight to MF?
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Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite
broad. For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can
exceed the bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these,
many won't. A DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player
does not play mpg unless specifically designed to do so, just like all
cd players do not play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o having
to transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also. |
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mcp6453
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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Tony D. wrote:
| Quote: | mcp6453 wrote:
JR wrote:
I use Womble Mpeg-Vcr and Ulead Movie Factory disc creator 3
Regards,
JR
I do not need to edit the MPG file. Does Womble do anything other than
editing? Does it do any conversion from non-standard MPG (ReplayTV) to
standard MPG (DVD)? Or can the MPG from RTV go straight to MF?
Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite
broad. For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can
exceed the bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these,
many won't. A DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player
does not play mpg unless specifically designed to do so, just like all
cd players do not play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o having
to transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also.
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Very helpful. Does DVDLab provide the same functionality as NeroVision
Express? |
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Tony D.
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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| Quote: | Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite
broad. For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can
exceed the bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these,
many won't. A DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player
does not play mpg unless specifically designed to do so, just like all
cd players do not play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o
having to transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also.
Very helpful. Does DVDLab provide the same functionality as NeroVision
Express?
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It is much more elaborate. Many programs will take a replay mpg and
transcode it, adding an hour or more to the process. I'm not sure about
Nerovision, but with Ulead and DVDLab you can specifically tell it not
to transcode. |
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mcp6453
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:03 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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Tony D. wrote:
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Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite
broad. For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can
exceed the bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these,
many won't. A DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player
does not play mpg unless specifically designed to do so, just like
all cd players do not play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o
having to transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also.
Very helpful. Does DVDLab provide the same functionality as NeroVision
Express?
It is much more elaborate. Many programs will take a replay mpg and
transcode it, adding an hour or more to the process. I'm not sure about
Nerovision, but with Ulead and DVDLab you can specifically tell it not
to transcode.
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Hmmm...DVDLab Standard is $100US. That's pretty steep. Ulead is not
inexpensive, either. What other programs are others here familiar with
that allow me to burn a ReplayTV mpg file to DVD without transcoding?
I just did a conversion with AVS Media Converter, and the quality was
not good. Not transcoding is probably the key. It took three hours for
AVS to do its thing. |
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Tony D.
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:18 am Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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| Quote: | Hmmm...DVDLab Standard is $100US. That's pretty steep. Ulead is not
inexpensive, either. What other programs are others here familiar with
that allow me to burn a ReplayTV mpg file to DVD without transcoding?
I just did a conversion with AVS Media Converter, and the quality was
not good. Not transcoding is probably the key. It took three hours for
AVS to do its thing.
I just realized that you had a 4K. What I said is based on 5K. I don't |
know if the file structure is different on the 4K. You best post on the
Replay forum on avsforums.com for the 4K guys to give you their
experiences. I believe DVLab allows a demo download. You might want to
try it. |
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mcp6453
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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Tony D. wrote:
| Quote: | Hmmm...DVDLab Standard is $100US. That's pretty steep. Ulead is not
inexpensive, either. What other programs are others here familiar with
that allow me to burn a ReplayTV mpg file to DVD without transcoding?
I just did a conversion with AVS Media Converter, and the quality was
not good. Not transcoding is probably the key. It took three hours for
AVS to do its thing.
I just realized that you had a 4K. What I said is based on 5K. I don't
know if the file structure is different on the 4K. You best post on the
Replay forum on avsforums.com for the 4K guys to give you their
experiences. I believe DVLab allows a demo download. You might want to
try it.
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No, I have a 5080. |
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Margaret Wilson
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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TMPGEnc's DVD Author also authors DVDs without reencoding the video.
Personally, I prefer it to Ulead's application. Haven't tried DVDLab
though. Just an FYI, TMPGEnc just merged with Tsunami, so their products
have changed a bit. Haven't investigated further ... yet. :-)
Regards,
Margaret
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| Quote: | mcp6453 wrote:
JR wrote:
I use Womble Mpeg-Vcr and Ulead Movie Factory disc creator 3
Regards,
JR
I do not need to edit the MPG file. Does Womble do anything other than
editing? Does it do any conversion from non-standard MPG (ReplayTV) to
standard MPG (DVD)? Or can the MPG from RTV go straight to MF?
Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite broad.
For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can exceed the
bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these, many won't. A
DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player does not play mpg
unless specifically designed to do so, just like all cd players do not
play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o having to
transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also. |
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Margaret Wilson
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Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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TMPGEnc's DVD Author does not reencode the video, and it costs $68. I like
it much better than Ulead's app. v1.5 does single layer only, v1.6 does
dual layer.
Regards,
Margaret
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| Quote: | Tony D. wrote:
Replay is a "standard" mpg. The problem is the "standard" is quite
broad. For DVDs it is best to use medium speed. At High a Replay can
exceed the bitrate specified for DVDs. Most players will play these,
many won't. A DVD has a set of properties all it's own. A DVD player
does not play mpg unless specifically designed to do so, just like all
cd players do not play mp3 burned to cd.
To create a DVD, you need an authoring program like Ulead, DVDLab, etc.
DVDLab is the most popular w Replayers. You can create a DVD w/o having
to transcode the mpg.
The 5K replay has a better picture than the 4K also.
Very helpful. Does DVDLab provide the same functionality as NeroVision
Express?
It is much more elaborate. Many programs will take a replay mpg and
transcode it, adding an hour or more to the process. I'm not sure about
Nerovision, but with Ulead and DVDLab you can specifically tell it not to
transcode.
Hmmm...DVDLab Standard is $100US. That's pretty steep. Ulead is not
inexpensive, either. What other programs are others here familiar with
that allow me to burn a ReplayTV mpg file to DVD without transcoding?
I just did a conversion with AVS Media Converter, and the quality was not
good. Not transcoding is probably the key. It took three hours for AVS to
do its thing.
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John in Detroit
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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Can not tell you given that list,,, I use Nero Vision Express
And yes, the quality may well be different depending on how much you try
to cram on to the DVD and what recording level you used
I normally record in Standard, and NERO will re-compress if I try to put
too much on a disk, I forget if it's 2 or 3 hours that will fit, NERO
will also do a bit of clean up and translation automatically
However this does affect quality Not that I've ever gotten any
complaints though
mcp6453 wrote:
| Quote: | It seems that the quality of a downloaded RTV show is not the same when
it is played on a DVD as it is from the unit itself. At this point, I'm
so confused as to what I did that I cannot accurately retrace my steps.
Therefore, let me pose this question. What is the simplest way to grab
an RTV 4080 file with DVArchive, place it on my hard drive, and burn it
to a DVD for viewing on a standard DVD player?
Here are some of the tools that I have:
VideoReDo
AVS Media Converter
DivxtoDVD
WinAVI
TMPGenc
NTI DVD Maker
DVD Shrink
DVD Decrypter
ReVue 1.1a5
Note that the free version of NTI DVD-Maker 7 apparently does not do any
conversions. The file to be burned must be in TS_VIDEO/.vob format, if I
understand the program.
My guess is that the video loss is occurring when the .mpg file from the
4080 is converted to the .vob file. I was glad to see the DVD play, but
the quality is below what I think it should be, when the DVD is compared
with the same show as played on the RTV.
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Mark Lloyd
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:24:27 GMT, John in Detroit
<Blanked@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Can not tell you given that list,,, I use Nero Vision Express
And yes, the quality may well be different depending on how much you try
to cram on to the DVD and what recording level you used
I normally record in Standard, and NERO will re-compress if I try to put
too much on a disk, I forget if it's 2 or 3 hours that will fit, NERO
will also do a bit of clean up and translation automatically
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You should be able to get 6-7 hours on a standard DVD with no
additional compression (using Replay shows in Standard). I normally
do. Some authoring software seems to add bloat.
| Quote: | However this does affect quality Not that I've ever gotten any
complaints though
mcp6453 wrote:
It seems that the quality of a downloaded RTV show is not the same when
it is played on a DVD as it is from the unit itself. At this point, I'm
so confused as to what I did that I cannot accurately retrace my steps.
Therefore, let me pose this question. What is the simplest way to grab
an RTV 4080 file with DVArchive, place it on my hard drive, and burn it
to a DVD for viewing on a standard DVD player?
Here are some of the tools that I have:
VideoReDo
AVS Media Converter
DivxtoDVD
WinAVI
TMPGenc
NTI DVD Maker
DVD Shrink
DVD Decrypter
ReVue 1.1a5
Note that the free version of NTI DVD-Maker 7 apparently does not do any
conversions. The file to be burned must be in TS_VIDEO/.vob format, if I
understand the program.
My guess is that the video loss is occurring when the .mpg file from the
4080 is converted to the .vob file. I was glad to see the DVD play, but
the quality is below what I think it should be, when the DVD is compared
with the same show as played on the RTV.
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Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam." |
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General Kireiko
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Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
: You should be able to get 6-7 hours on a standard DVD with no
: additional compression (using Replay shows in Standard). I normally
: do. Some authoring software seems to add bloat.
I can get 7 one-hour shows (commercials removed) on one DVD-5. My Sources
are RTV5000 series mpegs at Standard Quality. I used rtvtools to edit
and prep my mpegs. TMPGEnc DVD Author to make the DVD.
7*45 minutes = 315 minutes is approx 5-1/4 hrs. YMMV.
-Doug
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Mark Lloyd
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Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:
Re: Quality Questions |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 23:45:33 +0000 (UTC), General Kireiko
<douglas@panix.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote:
: You should be able to get 6-7 hours on a standard DVD with no
: additional compression (using Replay shows in Standard). I normally
: do. Some authoring software seems to add bloat.
I can get 7 one-hour shows (commercials removed) on one DVD-5. My Sources
are RTV5000 series mpegs at Standard Quality. I used rtvtools to edit
and prep my mpegs. TMPGEnc DVD Author to make the DVD.
7*45 minutes = 315 minutes is approx 5-1/4 hrs. YMMV.
-Doug
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A standard DVD-R (DVD-5) holds over 4500MB, even with the overhead
added to video DVD. An hour of programming from the 5xxx Replay (at
Standard quality, which is usually all you need) takes less than
900MB, so you should be able to get over 5 hours on the DVD (that's
6-7 hours with the commercials removed). If you're getting less than 5
hours on a DVD, it looks like your DVD authoring software is
transcoding (maybe assuming 704 pixels horizontal , even when that
can't help with a NTSC source). I guess I'm using an authoring program
(Ulead) that doesn't transcode.
--
67 days until the winter solstice celebration
Mark Lloyd
has a Replay 5xxx
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
"The idea that there is an invisible being who
created and still runs this old universe is so
childish, so obviously contrived, that it is hard to
believe anyone with even a modicum of education can
still fall for that scam." |
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