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Ruud Broens
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:43 am Post subject:
Expert on tubes ? |
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"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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: robert casey wrote:
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: > > We would all like to know the facts about the tubes under
consideration.
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: > > But LV did say the "New Tungsol" 6550A has greater gm than the
: > > alternatives...
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: > > "Gm is *way* higher, up in the 9,000 - 10,000 range rather
than
: > > in the 6,000 - 7,000 range like the rest.
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: > Excessive gm could cause the amp to oscillate, if there are
: > no grid stopper resistors. Which are not likely designed
: > in the amp as the designer didn't expect replacement tubes
: > to deviate from the industry spec for that particular tube.
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: Hey, sparky...
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: A Gm of 9K-11K is *spec*, it ain't "excessive." Most of the
: other current shit is *low*. Every bass amp I'm familiar
: with has grid stoppers, and any that don't (for whatever reason)
: will get 'em added by any savvy tech who opens one up.
:
: Not you, obviously.
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: Lord Valve
: Expert
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You want expertise ?
How about:
this is what they could have done to raise the Gm:
place the control grid closer to the cathode ,
possibly because this subassembly has gone from
manual-semi automatic to a fully automatic process
this, in itself, does not necessarily give advantages
you need lower drive voltage swing, but ia-vgk curves
will deteriorate, so you'll need more fb
it is also possible, that by using an optimally formulated
cathode coating - the lowest 'escape voltage' - being BaO
on a porous subgrid of Ba on a metallic substrate like Ni
the desity of the space charge is increased
if finely tuned with a small replacement of the control grid,
now you will have a better tube: lower control voltage swing
and the same or even better curves.
So can u provide us curves ?
Rudy
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Lord Valve
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:27 am Post subject:
Re: False/rebranded tubes |
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François Yves Le Gal wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 07:29:32 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
New Sensor doesn't have a factory.
Wrong.
Mike Mathews *owns* Reflektor.
Totally false. Reflektor (Saratov) is a joint stock company, with their
valve production representing maybe less than 1% of total output.
Here's their company profile:
"Reflector is a joint stock company (partially state-owned, partially
privately-owned) that has focused on the volume production of displays and
related products. Reflector became independent of the wholly state-owned
Volga Research and Development Institute in 1992. However, the two
organizations share the same building and jointly develop manufacturing
processes. Typically, Volga researches and develops up to the pilot
production stage, and then Reflector mass produces.
Reflector was founded in 1953 as a state-owned enterprise to manufacture
amplifier and receiver tubes principally for television and radio products.
During the late 1950s and through the 1960s, the company was Europe's
largest receiver tube manufacturing and design enterprise. With the advent
of the transistor, Reflector scaled back its tube manufacturing operations
and began to focus on display products. In 1971, the R&D institute developed
vacuum fluorescent display (VFD) technology. (The institute's scientists
acknowledge that their development came after Japanese development of VFDs).
VFD production began several years later. Now Reflector manufactures VFDs at
volumes of up to several million per year. These VFDs are used in avionics,
automobiles, and consumer and industrial electronics. During the WTEC visit
to Russia, panel members found VFD clocks produced by Reflector in many
Russian cars and buildings.
In 1973, the Volga Institute began to develop reflective passive matrix
liquid crystal displays. Soon after, Reflector began producing small LCDs
for watches. Reflector now produces LCDs at volumes of several million per
year for watches, games, and personal computers. Reflector's current focus
is on the production of VFDs for consumer electronics and avionics and
supertwisted nematic (STN) LCDs for computers and television.
Reflector not only produces tubes and display components, but also produces
specialty integrated circuits, semiconductor lasers, photodetectors, and
finished consumer goods incorporating displays such as games. Reflector also
produces specialty glass products such as streetlight envelopes, vases, and
drinking glasses."
Matthews - not Mathews, as you incorrectly spell his name - has entered into
a form of partnership with them, taking out around 4% of their total output
and reselling it under his brands, new or resurrected. He doesn't own
Reflektor, either directly or indirectly.
Where do you come off with this bogus shit, froggy?
Thank you for publicly demonstrating - again - that you're a bigot,
shithead.
They usually relabel Russian tubes. The
very same tubes are usually available under their original brands on the
open market.
They're Reflektors.
Totally false. New Sensor has bought and buys tubes from Reflector as well
as from other Russian factories such as Polarjon, Novisibursk, Voshkod or
Ulyanov. For instance, their 5U4G, 5Y3GT, 6SN7, 6SL7 as well as some 12AX7's
aren't manufactured at Reflektor.
Now the real question is: if you're so ill-informed on who makes what, how
can you be trusted as a supplier?
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Tell ya what, froggy...
When the boys at NS come back from Christmas vacation,
I'll call 'em and get the straight skinny for ya. In the meantime,
go fish.
As far as "trust" goes, I'm not lookin' for any from the likes
of you. Perhaps you can guess why.
BTW, piss on France.
Lord Valve
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Lord Valve
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:27 am Post subject:
Re: Expert on tubes ? |
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Ruud Broens wrote:
| Quote: | "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:41CA76AA.A0DD5659@ix.netcom.com...
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: robert casey wrote:
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: > > We would all like to know the facts about the tubes under
consideration.
:
: > > But LV did say the "New Tungsol" 6550A has greater gm than the
: > > alternatives...
:
: > > "Gm is *way* higher, up in the 9,000 - 10,000 range rather
than
: > > in the 6,000 - 7,000 range like the rest.
:
: > Excessive gm could cause the amp to oscillate, if there are
: > no grid stopper resistors. Which are not likely designed
: > in the amp as the designer didn't expect replacement tubes
: > to deviate from the industry spec for that particular tube.
:
: Hey, sparky...
:
: A Gm of 9K-11K is *spec*, it ain't "excessive." Most of the
: other current shit is *low*. Every bass amp I'm familiar
: with has grid stoppers, and any that don't (for whatever reason)
: will get 'em added by any savvy tech who opens one up.
:
: Not you, obviously.
:
: Lord Valve
: Expert
:
You want expertise ?
How about:
this is what they could have done to raise the Gm:
place the control grid closer to the cathode ,
possibly because this subassembly has gone from
manual-semi automatic to a fully automatic process
this, in itself, does not necessarily give advantages
you need lower drive voltage swing, but ia-vgk curves
will deteriorate, so you'll need more fb
it is also possible, that by using an optimally formulated
cathode coating - the lowest 'escape voltage' - being BaO
on a porous subgrid of Ba on a metallic substrate like Ni
the desity of the space charge is increased
if finely tuned with a small replacement of the control grid,
now you will have a better tube: lower control voltage swing
and the same or even better curves.
So can u provide us curves ?
Rudy
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Nope.
One of these days NS will get off their asses and
provide curves. I don't have the gear for it. I'm
more concerned with empirical stuff - do they last
in an SVT, how are they with vibration, do they
cream up nicely when overdriven, will they withstand
the shit musicians do to 'em, etc. I don't cater to
audiophools, for obvious reasons.
LV |
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François Yves Le Gal
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject:
Re: False/rebranded tubes |
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 06:58:08 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When the boys at NS come back from Christmas vacation,
I'll call 'em and get the straight skinny for ya. In the meantime,
go fish.
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Sure, whatever you say, überfuckwit.
You've been proven to be wrong - again. Are you really that stupid or are
you only a plain crook?
| Quote: | As far as "trust" goes, I'm not lookin' for any from the likes
of you. Perhaps you can guess why.
BTW, piss on France.
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Sure, thank you for confirming that you're a Clueless Bigot
Oh, I almost forgot: in the spirit of the Season, may the Dove of Peace shit
in your mouth, fucktard. |
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Ruud Broens
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Expert on tubes ? |
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"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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: > So can u provide us curves ?
: > Rudy
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: Nope.
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: One of these days NS will get off their asses and
: provide curves. I don't have the gear for it. I'm
: more concerned with empirical stuff - do they last
: in an SVT, how are they with vibration, do they
: cream up nicely when overdriven, will they withstand
: the shit musicians do to 'em, etc. I don't cater to
: audiophools, for obvious reasons.
:
: LV
Tell you what, 'expert' :
engineering done by engineers:
datasheets of possible solution candidates are
part of the equation, lordy ;)
Didn't know *that* ?? figures.....
Rudy |
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Ruud Broens
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 5:41 pm Post subject:
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"Ruud Broens" <broensr@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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: "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
: news:41CBBDE9.3B3AB39E@ix.netcom.com...
: : > So can u provide us curves ?
: : > Rudy
: :
: :
: : Nope.
: :
: : One of these days NS will get off their asses and
: : provide curves. I don't have the gear for it. I'm
: : more concerned with empirical stuff - do they last
: : in an SVT, how are they with vibration, do they
: : cream up nicely when overdriven, will they withstand
: : the shit musicians do to 'em, etc. I don't cater to
: : audiophools, for obvious reasons.
: :
: : LV
: Tell you what, 'expert' :
: engineering done by engineers:
: datasheets of possible solution candidates are
: part of the equation, lordy ;)
: Didn't know *that* ?? figures.....
: Rudy
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BTW we do value your expertise re
the empirical stuff
certainly so, please continue reporting from the field
just don't ridicule the things that are 'beyond you'
cheers,
Rudy |
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Jon Yaeger
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 8:35 pm Post subject:
Re: False/rebranded tubes |
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LV whined:
| Quote: | Tell ya what, froggy...
When the boys at NS come back from Christmas vacation,
I'll call 'em and get the straight skinny for ya. In the meantime,
go fish.
As far as "trust" goes, I'm not lookin' for any from the likes
of you. Perhaps you can guess why.
BTW, piss on France.
Lord Valve
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* * * *
Too bad your expertise is accompanied with this kind of crap.
Maybe you ought to get out of your shop once in a while. If you thought
about it for a millisecond you'd realize that Francois has about as much
responsibility for his nation's policies as you do for yours.
OTOH, maybe you ought to stay put. Your ignorant xenophobia is shameful to
other Americans who might have the misfortune to follow in your wake.
Cheers for the holidays.
Jon
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Lord Valve
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Expert on tubes ? |
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Ruud Broens wrote:
| Quote: | "Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:41CBBDE9.3B3AB39E@ix.netcom.com...
: > So can u provide us curves ?
: > Rudy
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: Nope.
:
: One of these days NS will get off their asses and
: provide curves. I don't have the gear for it. I'm
: more concerned with empirical stuff - do they last
: in an SVT, how are they with vibration, do they
: cream up nicely when overdriven, will they withstand
: the shit musicians do to 'em, etc. I don't cater to
: audiophools, for obvious reasons.
:
: LV
Tell you what, 'expert' :
engineering done by engineers:
datasheets of possible solution candidates are
part of the equation, lordy ;)
Didn't know *that* ?? figures.....
Rudy
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Tell you what, snotbag -
Attitudes like yours are why I don't fuck with the audiophool
trade. I've never met one who didn't think his shit was odorless.
As to what I "don't" know, it hasn't seemed to hurt me financially.
As to what I *do* know, you can hear the results on your radio.
Amps I build are on tour with major artists. Amps you build
are in your basement, where you dislocate your shoulders
patting yourself on the back while playing air guitar.
Get stuffed.
Lord Valve
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Lord Valve
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject:
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Jon Yaeger wrote:
| Quote: | LV whined:
Tell ya what, froggy...
When the boys at NS come back from Christmas vacation,
I'll call 'em and get the straight skinny for ya. In the meantime,
go fish.
As far as "trust" goes, I'm not lookin' for any from the likes
of you. Perhaps you can guess why.
BTW, piss on France.
Lord Valve
American
* * * *
Too bad your expertise is accompanied with this kind of crap.
Maybe you ought to get out of your shop once in a while. If you thought
about it for a millisecond you'd realize that Francois has about as much
responsibility for his nation's policies as you do for yours.
OTOH, maybe you ought to stay put. Your ignorant xenophobia is shameful to
other Americans who might have the misfortune to follow in your wake.
Cheers for the holidays.
Jon
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Fuck Scandinavia, while I'm at it.
LV |
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Ruud Broens
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Fri Dec 24, 2004 11:44 pm Post subject:
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"Lord Valve" <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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: Tell you what, snotbag -
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: Attitudes like yours are why I don't fuck with the audiophool
: trade. I've never met one who didn't think his shit was odorless.
: As to what I "don't" know, it hasn't seemed to hurt me financially.
: As to what I *do* know, you can hear the results on your radio.
: Amps I build are on tour with major artists. Amps you build
: are in your basement, where you dislocate your shoulders
: patting yourself on the back while playing air guitar.
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: Get stuffed.
:
: Lord Valve
: Expert
Aaaah, a string was hit..
Couldn't suppress the urge, eh ?
dream on, """expert""" |
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François Yves Le Gal
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:05 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:05:36 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
Sure, you're an expert when it come to publicly display your abysmal
stupidity, loser.
But what should we expect from a unibrowed fatassed dickless loser with a
sloped forehead? Should I iron stamp "WARNING: TEDIOUS GIMP" there? |
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François Yves Le Gal
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:05 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:44:32 +0100, "Ruud Broens" <broensr@wanadoo.nl>
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| Quote: | dream on, """expert"""
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It seems that our resident bigot is an expert in crass stupidity and doesn't
know a thing about tubes. |
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François Yves Le Gal
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Sat Dec 25, 2004 1:07 am Post subject:
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:07:06 GMT, Lord Valve <detritus@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Fuck Scandinavia, while I'm at it.
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You don't have a dick, loser. You can't fuck anyone except in your wet
dreams.
Now why don't you climb back on your special needs tricyle, the one with a
couple of wheels added for extra safety, and disappear in the sunset,
fucktard? |
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