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Orak Listalavostok
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Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | So, my new (untried, but hopefully sound) recommendation is for me to
dispense with the Pinnacle Studios MovieBox DV analog-to-AVI &
studio-9-to-MPEG2 approach, in favor of the following:
- Play any VHS tape out normal RCA composite analog jacks
- Connect that composite analog to an RCA-to-mini-phono cable
- Into any digital camcorder (e.g., JVC GR-DVL820U) "AV" jack
- With the camcorder AV phono output set to INPUT
(PowerOn->Manual->Menu->DSC->REC SELECT->to TAPE to M)
- Which then outputs a digital AVI signal (just like the MovieBox did)
- Into the camcorder firewire output port into a firewire cable
- Plugged into the laptop PC firewire input port
- With Pinnacle Systems' $99 Studios 9 running
- Which converts the digital camcorder avi signal to MPEG-2
- Which is saved to the hard disk in real time
- And then later burned to DVD out that same firewire port
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In testing the above approach (which replaces the Pinnacle Studios
MovieBox DV with a basic digital camcorder) I found a fatal flaw in
the suggested camcorder settings above. The settings above are wrong!
The correct settings (for a JVC GR-DVL820U camcorder anyway) are:
- Turn the camcorder dial to "Play" (not to "Manual")
- Swing open the LCD window (you should see a blank blue screen)
- Depress the "Menu/Bright" dial once (do not spin the dial)
- You should now see the following displayed on the LCD
VIDEO
SYSTEM
DISPLAY
END
- Spin the "Menu/Bright" dial to select the "VIDEO" menu
- To the right of the "VIDEO" menu, you now should see the items
VIDEO SOUND MODE
12BIT MODE
SYNCHRO
REC MODE
TAPE->MEMORYCARD COPY
S/AV INPUT
- Depress the "Menu/Bright" dial, you should now see the items
SOUND MODE = STEREO
12BIT MODE = SOUND 1
SYNCHRO = +- 0.0
REC MODE = SP
TAPE->MEMORYCARD COPY = ON
S/AV INPUT = OFF
RETURN
- Spin the "Menu/Bright" dial to select
S/AV INPUT = OFF
- Depress the "Menu/Bright" dial so you only see the one item
S/AV INPUT = OFF
= ON
- Spin the "Menu/Bright" dial to select:
S/AV INPUT = ON
- Depress the "Menu/Bright" dial to effect the setting
- This returns you to the items
SOUND MODE = STEREO
12BIT MODE = SOUND 1
SYNCHRO = +- 0.0
REC MODE = SP
TAPE->MEMORYCARD COPY = ON
S/AV INPUT = ON
RETURN
- Spin the "Menu/Bright" dial to select the "RETURN" item
- This returns you to the items
VIDEO
SYSTEM
DISPLAY
END
- Spin the "Menu/Bright" dial to select the "END" item
- Depress the "Menu/Bright" dial to effect the setting
- Your JVC Camcorder LCD display goes back to blue-screen normal.
This procedure will apparently affect the following camcorder ports
(please correct me if I make any mistakes below 'cause I'm guessing)
o The "AV" mini-rca bi-directional port is now an INPUT (I think)
o I'm not sure what happens to the "EDIT" mini-rca port (pray tell)
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o The "S-VIDEO" DIN bi-directional port is now an INPUT (I think)
o The "DV" mini-firewire port is still an OUTPUT (I think)
o The "USB" mini-usb port is still an OUTPUT (I think)
If my guess is correct above, then the two cables I need are:
- 3 RCA jacks to 1 mini-rca connector
- DV firewire to DV firewire connector
The assumption is the setup is as follows:
- The VHS tape plays in the VCR unit out the 3 RCA LINEOUT jacks
- That analog signal enters the camcorder via the "AV" input jack
- Note: Make sure the camcorder is set to "S/AV INPUT = ON"
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- The AVI digital output signal goes out the "DV" mini-firewire port
- Which goes into the laptop PC mini-firewire input
- Hopefully, Pinnacle Studios 9 (or maybe Ulead Video Studio SE 4.0)
will then help save that digital AVI signal to the hard disk
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- Then, if edits are necessary, Pinnacle Studio 9 or Ulead VideoStudio
can be used to edit the AVI file (I now realize nobody edits MPEG-2)
- Once the edits are performed (if any), then Pinnacle Studio 9 or
Ulead Video Studio 4.0 (I think) can be used to convert the huge
AVI file to the much-compressed MPEG-2 on disk.
- Then any DVD burning software (Sonic 6.0 perhaps) can be used to
burn the resulting MPEG-2 file to a DVD disc.
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What do the experts think about this suggested approach to
burn magnetic tape (e.g., 8mm, VHS, VHS-C, MiniDV, etc.) to DVD
(using an existing camcorder instead of a hardware analog-to-AVI box)?
Q: Does this latest approach look like it stands a chance of working?
(because the Pinnacle Studios MovieBox DV was a dismal failure)
Orak Listalavostok
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Orak Listalavostok
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 6:58 am Post subject:
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"Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" <graham@simplydv.co.uk> wrote in message news:<uOEUgbHVEHA.3944@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
| Quote: | Could use the dvd authoring software to do the mpeg2 conversion as well.
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I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
Here's where I'm currently stuck:
I successfully played my store-bought 2 hour 35 minute VHS "Gladiator"
original from the VHS output into the JVC miniDV camcorder and out
the JVC digital camcorder firewire into the IBM A31p firewire using
Pinnacle Studio 9.1 (with MPEG encoding enabled) to save the resultant
AVI file (30,719,448 KB) onto the laptop WinXP NTFS second hard disk.
The first try, half way through capturing of the movie, the WinXP IBM
ThinkPad crashed; the second attempt, just minutes from the end of the
movie, MPEG-2 rendering of the AVI began without me doing anything!
It (Studio 9.1) automatically created (seemingly on it own agenda)
a 7 Gbyte MPG file; then it (Studio 9.1) removed the 30 Gbyte AVI file!
All that AVI data (30 gigs worth) was lost in an instant.
I fussed with Studio 9.1 settings (realizing my original error in
allowing MPG as the final output) and then 'captured' a smaller
AVI of just the last few scenes of Gladiator, creating a 3 GB ending
AVI (3,128,824 KB) of the last few scenes until the credits completed.
I now had (only) a 7 GB MPG plus a 3 GB AVI of the Gladiator archive.
Using the Pinnacle Studio 9.1 "Edit" GUI, I pasted together the first
7 GB MPG plus the final scenes' 3 GB AVI and then re-rendered (if
that's what it's called) to a single MPG2 (again).
The result (which took forever) was an 8 GByte MPEG2 file.
QUESTIONS:
My first question concerns the mixing of the MPG & AVI file.
Did I have to re-render the WHOLE THING to MPEG-2 (which took forever)?
Could I have just rendered the much smaller last few scenes' AVI to
MPG 2 and then simply COMBINED the two MPG files (large + tiny)?
How?
My second question revolves around how to burn this final 8 Gbyte
MPEG-2 file to a normal DVD (about 4 1/2 gigabytes). Studio 9.1 says
the file is too large to burn to DVD. Is there a way to tell it
(Studio-9.1) to squish (compress) the MPG-2 file by 50%?
I have Sonic RecordNow version 6.7.0 (which, I think, squishes to fit
on DVD), but don't I need Studio-9.1 to first put the MPG2 file into
a DVD 'image' before using Sonic RecordNow to burn to DVD?
If you understand my newbie VHS-to-DVD dilemma, please advise.
If you need clarifying information of the stumbling block, please ask.
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James Perrett
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 5:44 pm Post subject:
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Orak Listalavostok wrote:
| Quote: | My first question concerns the mixing of the MPG & AVI file.
Did I have to re-render the WHOLE THING to MPEG-2 (which took forever)?
Could I have just rendered the much smaller last few scenes' AVI to
MPG 2 and then simply COMBINED the two MPG files (large + tiny)?
How?
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Pinnacle Studio 8 is clever enough to know whether a movie needs
re-rendering. Presumably this applies to Studio 9 as well. The trick is
to make sure that the output bit rate is the same as the input bit rate
- if it is then the software will simply copy the input to the output.
If you are really worried about the time taken then maybe you should
consider buying a hardware capture/encoder system like the Plextor
ConvertX.
Cheers.
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Terena Chang
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 2:41 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
Wait til dual layer discs arrive and buy a dual layer burner and a dvd
authoring app that supports it.
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I'm surprised if Pinnacle Systems Studio 9 doesn't convert the MP2 to DVD.
But, you're the expert, not me. Can someone doublecheck this supposition?
Another idea is to find a program on http://www.doom9.org that converts
MP2 files to DVD format on your hard disk so you can burn the resultant
DVD image AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS directories to the top-level of the DVD.
Do you think SmartRipper version 2.41 can convert MP2 to DVD.
I'm not sure, but, DVDShrink 3.1.7 might also compress DVD images.
Both freeware programs should have pointers on the doom9 site.
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PDTV
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:59 pm Post subject:
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oraklistal@yahoo.com (Orak Listalavostok) wrote in message news:<44d113e9.0406201858.1eebfeb3@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | I successfully played my store-bought 2 hour 35 minute VHS "Gladiator"
original from the VHS output into the JVC miniDV camcorder and out
the JVC digital camcorder firewire into the IBM A31p firewire using
Pinnacle Studio 9.1 (with MPEG encoding enabled) to save the resultant
AVI file (30,719,448 KB) onto the laptop WinXP NTFS second hard disk.
The first try, half way through capturing of the movie, the WinXP IBM
ThinkPad crashed; the second attempt, just minutes from the end of the
movie, MPEG-2 rendering of the AVI began without me doing anything!
It (Studio 9.1) automatically created (seemingly on it own agenda)
a 7 Gbyte MPG file; then it (Studio 9.1) removed the 30 Gbyte AVI file!
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My question would be is all this effort worth saving the $15-$20 you'd
spend if you actually BOUGHT THE FUCKING DVD?????????!!!! |
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Biz
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 12:01 am Post subject:
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"Orak Listalavostok" <oraklistal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44d113e9.0406201858.1eebfeb3@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Graham Hughes, MVP Digital Media" <graham@simplydv.co.uk> wrote in
message news:<uOEUgbHVEHA.3944@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
Could use the dvd authoring software to do the mpeg2 conversion as well.
I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
Here's where I'm currently stuck:
I successfully played my store-bought 2 hour 35 minute VHS "Gladiator"
original from the VHS output into the JVC miniDV camcorder and out
the JVC digital camcorder firewire into the IBM A31p firewire using
Pinnacle Studio 9.1 (with MPEG encoding enabled) to save the resultant
AVI file (30,719,448 KB) onto the laptop WinXP NTFS second hard disk.
The first try, half way through capturing of the movie, the WinXP IBM
ThinkPad crashed; the second attempt, just minutes from the end of the
movie, MPEG-2 rendering of the AVI began without me doing anything!
It (Studio 9.1) automatically created (seemingly on it own agenda)
a 7 Gbyte MPG file; then it (Studio 9.1) removed the 30 Gbyte AVI file!
All that AVI data (30 gigs worth) was lost in an instant.
I fussed with Studio 9.1 settings (realizing my original error in
allowing MPG as the final output) and then 'captured' a smaller
AVI of just the last few scenes of Gladiator, creating a 3 GB ending
AVI (3,128,824 KB) of the last few scenes until the credits completed.
I now had (only) a 7 GB MPG plus a 3 GB AVI of the Gladiator
archive.
Using the Pinnacle Studio 9.1 "Edit" GUI, I pasted together the first
7 GB MPG plus the final scenes' 3 GB AVI and then re-rendered (if
that's what it's called) to a single MPG2 (again).
The result (which took forever) was an 8 GByte MPEG2 file.
QUESTIONS:
My first question concerns the mixing of the MPG & AVI file.
Did I have to re-render the WHOLE THING to MPEG-2 (which took forever)?
Could I have just rendered the much smaller last few scenes' AVI to
MPG 2 and then simply COMBINED the two MPG files (large + tiny)?
How?
My second question revolves around how to burn this final 8 Gbyte
MPEG-2 file to a normal DVD (about 4 1/2 gigabytes). Studio 9.1 says
the file is too large to burn to DVD. Is there a way to tell it
(Studio-9.1) to squish (compress) the MPG-2 file by 50%?
I have Sonic RecordNow version 6.7.0 (which, I think, squishes to fit
on DVD), but don't I need Studio-9.1 to first put the MPG2 file into
a DVD 'image' before using Sonic RecordNow to burn to DVD?
If you understand my newbie VHS-to-DVD dilemma, please advise.
If you need clarifying information of the stumbling block, please ask.
Orak Listalavostok
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All that work to end up with a crappy VHS copy transferred to a DVD. WHy
not just buy the DVD? Just because you can capture, encode and burn it to a
dvd its still looks as bad as the VHS copy it originated from. There are
certain times when doing this is just a ridiculous waste of time. IF it
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Jeremy Wrinklebottom
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 2:28 am Post subject:
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the money he saves ...
he 's going to send to Alena...
boom boom ;>
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| Quote: | All that work to end up with a crappy VHS copy transferred to a DVD. WHy
not just buy the DVD? Just because you can capture, encode and burn it to
a
dvd its still looks as bad as the VHS copy it originated from. There are
certain times when doing this is just a ridiculous waste of time. IF it
werent out on DVD, that might be a different story.
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Robert A. Bonda
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:49 am Post subject:
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pdtv_info@yahoo.com (PDTV) wrote in message news:<2689a1aa.0406220959.4a7b071e@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | oraklistal@yahoo.com (Orak Listalavostok) wrote in message news:<44d113e9.0406201858.1eebfeb3@posting.google.com>...
I successfully played my store-bought 2 hour 35 minute VHS "Gladiator"
My question would be is all this effort worth saving the $15-$20 you'd
spend if you actually BOUGHT THE FUCKING DVD?????????!!!!
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Does the word "store bought" mean anything to you?
The person who posted the question obviously spent a lot of time and
money already trying to tackle what people tackle every day, most of
whom are unsuccessful at first, just like our fellow poster is.
Just the DVD burner alone is hundreds of dollars, not to mention the
software, camcorder, and MovieBox DV hardware solution & cabling.
I don't hear cost being the issue (except from you). Maybe you're
tired of pirating all those DVDs that you sell on your web site
for under 5 dollars each. Yes. You know who you are (do a search).
This is a technical question. This isn't the kind of question
pdtv_members gets because it's real. It's hard. It's technical.
Since you apparently know the answer to our compatriat's questions,
what's the answer please? Oh. You don't know the answer? Well then,
do you have a helpful (hopefully innovative) suggestion related to
the thread>? Oh. You don't. Hhhmmmmm.
Well, at least you can swear incoherently.
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Orak Listalavostok
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 11:23 am Post subject:
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"Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message news:<Ge0Cc.116440$Gx4.14904@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
| Quote: | I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
All that work to end up with a crappy VHS copy transferred to a DVD. WHy
not just buy the DVD? Just because you can capture, encode and burn it to a
dvd its still looks as bad as the VHS copy it originated from. There are
certain times when doing this is just a ridiculous waste of time. IF it
werent out on DVD, that might be a different story.
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Your question shows you apparently misinterpret my intent.
I am a scientist. In another field, of course (virology).
So I'm out of my element here; which is why I ask for your help.
I chose GLADIATOR simply because:
a) I owned it
b) I have a legitimate right to archive it
c) Being 2 1/2 hours long, it's the toughest test case I own
(I don't own any magnetic tapes of Rivette's 3-hour
'Celine and Julie Go Boating' or 4-hour 'La Belle Noiseuse',
or even a 6-hour 'Jeanne la Pucelle' production.)
BTW, take a moment to consider the logic from a practical standpoint.
I didn't spend over a thousand dollars in equipment costs
($300 burner, $200 software, $800 camcorder, $100 blanks, etc.)
just to save a few bucks on a single VHS tape.
Hint hint hint: And I'm not setting up a mobile shop outside
your house in order to convert hundreds of VHS tapes to DVD
a day for the roving populace either (although ... come to
think of it, going pro may help me break even on costs ...).
Please realize not every 60-year-old you talk to (perhaps not
even yourself) is out there pirating VHS tapes, spending inordinate
hours after and before work, just to convert them to DVD, so they
can watch it once and throw it away after that (how many times can
YOU watch a 2 1/2 hour Gladiator movie?).
It should be obvious my main intent is to LEARN HOW VHS to DVD WORKS!
And to HELP OTHERS DO THE JOB THEMSELVES.
That's why I post with such attention to detail.
That's why I spend so much time alerting the users to the facts.
That's why I ask questions.
That's why I post the answers I find & the tests I run.
It's what scientists do.
If you must pry, my secondary intent (which was well described
in my previous posts ... just do a search if you don't believe me)
is to convert all my cherished home VHS & 8mm and miniDV magnetic
tapes to a safer & more convenient & reliable archive format.
These are videos of grandparents, friends, & relatives who no longer
are with us. These are videos of children playing in mud puddles who
now have families of their own & whose future children might admire
the results of our combined effort. Did you miss that point?
Sure, I can hire it out. By the way, I work on my own computer
(do a search), and I wrote a few books, & I fix my own `66 Mustang.
My point is, for a DVD newsgroup ...
WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT ASKING A TECHICAL QUESTION ABOUT DVD CREATION?
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Phillip
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 3:12 pm Post subject:
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Its best to keep to the facts, not to get emotional, you have turned from
asking for help to having a go.
Using Gladiator as the example was asking for someone to crack a joke, you
left yourself open to that.
If you intended on converting old home movies, you should have started with
that first. We don't need to
know that your a scientist and to quote "I work on my own computer (do a
search),
and I wrote a few books, & I fix my own `66 Mustang" Do we really need to
know any of this?
Stick to the facts, keep it simple and try not to go on the attack when
someone is having a little fun with you.
Phil
"Orak Listalavostok" <oraklistal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message
news:<Ge0Cc.116440$Gx4.14904@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
All that work to end up with a crappy VHS copy transferred to a DVD.
WHy
not just buy the DVD? Just because you can capture, encode and burn it
to a
dvd its still looks as bad as the VHS copy it originated from. There
are
certain times when doing this is just a ridiculous waste of time. IF it
werent out on DVD, that might be a different story.
Your question shows you apparently misinterpret my intent.
I am a scientist. In another field, of course (virology).
So I'm out of my element here; which is why I ask for your help.
I chose GLADIATOR simply because:
a) I owned it
b) I have a legitimate right to archive it
c) Being 2 1/2 hours long, it's the toughest test case I own
(I don't own any magnetic tapes of Rivette's 3-hour
'Celine and Julie Go Boating' or 4-hour 'La Belle Noiseuse',
or even a 6-hour 'Jeanne la Pucelle' production.)
BTW, take a moment to consider the logic from a practical standpoint.
I didn't spend over a thousand dollars in equipment costs
($300 burner, $200 software, $800 camcorder, $100 blanks, etc.)
just to save a few bucks on a single VHS tape.
Hint hint hint: And I'm not setting up a mobile shop outside
your house in order to convert hundreds of VHS tapes to DVD
a day for the roving populace either (although ... come to
think of it, going pro may help me break even on costs ...).
Please realize not every 60-year-old you talk to (perhaps not
even yourself) is out there pirating VHS tapes, spending inordinate
hours after and before work, just to convert them to DVD, so they
can watch it once and throw it away after that (how many times can
YOU watch a 2 1/2 hour Gladiator movie?).
It should be obvious my main intent is to LEARN HOW VHS to DVD WORKS!
And to HELP OTHERS DO THE JOB THEMSELVES.
That's why I post with such attention to detail.
That's why I spend so much time alerting the users to the facts.
That's why I ask questions.
That's why I post the answers I find & the tests I run.
It's what scientists do.
If you must pry, my secondary intent (which was well described
in my previous posts ... just do a search if you don't believe me)
is to convert all my cherished home VHS & 8mm and miniDV magnetic
tapes to a safer & more convenient & reliable archive format.
These are videos of grandparents, friends, & relatives who no longer
are with us. These are videos of children playing in mud puddles who
now have families of their own & whose future children might admire
the results of our combined effort. Did you miss that point?
Sure, I can hire it out. By the way, I work on my own computer
(do a search), and I wrote a few books, & I fix my own `66 Mustang.
My point is, for a DVD newsgroup ...
WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT ASKING A TECHICAL QUESTION ABOUT DVD CREATION?
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Biz
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject:
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"Orak Listalavostok" <oraklistal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44d113e9.0406222323.e3c4b81@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Biz" <biznospam@notatt.net> wrote in message
news:<Ge0Cc.116440$Gx4.14904@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
I'm getting closer by the day; but I still have some 'issues'
(like how to burn 8 Gbytes of MPEG-2 to a DVD with Studio 9.1).
All that work to end up with a crappy VHS copy transferred to a DVD.
WHy
not just buy the DVD? Just because you can capture, encode and burn it
to a
dvd its still looks as bad as the VHS copy it originated from. There
are
certain times when doing this is just a ridiculous waste of time. IF it
werent out on DVD, that might be a different story.
Your question shows you apparently misinterpret my intent.
I am a scientist. In another field, of course (virology).
So I'm out of my element here; which is why I ask for your help.
I chose GLADIATOR simply because:
a) I owned it
b) I have a legitimate right to archive it
c) Being 2 1/2 hours long, it's the toughest test case I own
(I don't own any magnetic tapes of Rivette's 3-hour
'Celine and Julie Go Boating' or 4-hour 'La Belle Noiseuse',
or even a 6-hour 'Jeanne la Pucelle' production.)
BTW, take a moment to consider the logic from a practical standpoint.
I didn't spend over a thousand dollars in equipment costs
($300 burner, $200 software, $800 camcorder, $100 blanks, etc.)
just to save a few bucks on a single VHS tape.
Hint hint hint: And I'm not setting up a mobile shop outside
your house in order to convert hundreds of VHS tapes to DVD
a day for the roving populace either (although ... come to
think of it, going pro may help me break even on costs ...).
Please realize not every 60-year-old you talk to (perhaps not
even yourself) is out there pirating VHS tapes, spending inordinate
hours after and before work, just to convert them to DVD, so they
can watch it once and throw it away after that (how many times can
YOU watch a 2 1/2 hour Gladiator movie?).
It should be obvious my main intent is to LEARN HOW VHS to DVD WORKS!
And to HELP OTHERS DO THE JOB THEMSELVES.
That's why I post with such attention to detail.
That's why I spend so much time alerting the users to the facts.
That's why I ask questions.
That's why I post the answers I find & the tests I run.
It's what scientists do.
If you must pry, my secondary intent (which was well described
in my previous posts ... just do a search if you don't believe me)
is to convert all my cherished home VHS & 8mm and miniDV magnetic
tapes to a safer & more convenient & reliable archive format.
These are videos of grandparents, friends, & relatives who no longer
are with us. These are videos of children playing in mud puddles who
now have families of their own & whose future children might admire
the results of our combined effort. Did you miss that point?
Sure, I can hire it out. By the way, I work on my own computer
(do a search), and I wrote a few books, & I fix my own `66 Mustang.
My point is, for a DVD newsgroup ...
WHAT IS SO BAD ABOUT ASKING A TECHICAL QUESTION ABOUT DVD CREATION?
Orak Listalavostok
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I never mentioned one word about piracy. You specified one VHS title that
is available on DVD, instead of saying you want to learn how to archive your
home movie collection.
You cross-posted the hell out of your post, even to some non-relevent
groups. As a "scientist" logic should have prevailed and all you needed was
one website, which if you ever read this group would know because that
website is given out like 100 times a day.
www.dvdrhelp.com
That website alone should have all the info you need, if not it links you to
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:40 pm Post subject:
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bob_bonda@yahoo.com (Robert A. Bonda) wrote in message news:<8e505c87.0406222249.7f806210@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | Does the word "store bought" mean anything to you?
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Yes, it does. It means that he saved his pennies and bought the VHS
-- why exactly is all this effort required just to avoid paying for
the DVD version?
| Quote: | Just the DVD burner alone is hundreds of dollars, not to mention the
software, camcorder, and MovieBox DV hardware solution & cabling.
I don't hear cost being the issue (except from you). Maybe you're
tired of pirating all those DVDs that you sell on your web site
for under 5 dollars each. Yes. You know who you are (do a search).
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Well, I have no idea who you think I am, but I don't sell DVDs for
under $5 each. Besides which, if someone can spend hundreds of
dollars on the equipment necessary to pirate the VHS copy, they can
certainly afford $15-$20 for the DVD.
| Quote: | This is a technical question. This isn't the kind of question
pdtv_members gets because it's real. It's hard. It's technical.
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Oh please. You wouldn't know a hard, techinal question if it bit you
in the ass. Defeating copy protection is hardly a burning issue in
the world of DVD authoring. I've not run across any VHS tape that's
given me problems, and the vast majority of the ones that might ARE
ALREADY OUT ON DVD!!!
| Quote: | Since you apparently know the answer to our compatriat's questions,
what's the answer please? Oh. You don't know the answer? Well then,
do you have a helpful (hopefully innovative) suggestion related to
the thread>? Oh. You don't. Hhhmmmmm.
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I've already offered my suggestion -- BUY THE FUCKING DVD!
| Quote: | Well, at least you can swear incoherently.
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I don't think anything I've ever posted is incoherent. If you're not
able to grasp the concept of actually PAYING for something as opposed
to making a copy of an inferior format, then it's no wonder you can't
comprehend my swearing. |
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 10:45 pm Post subject:
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oraklistal@yahoo.com (Orak Listalavostok) wrote in message news:<44d113e9.0406222323.e3c4b81@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | If you must pry, my secondary intent (which was well described
in my previous posts ... just do a search if you don't believe me)
is to convert all my cherished home VHS & 8mm and miniDV magnetic
tapes to a safer & more convenient & reliable archive format.
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Then you don't have anything to worry about. Those kinds of things
are NOT copy-protected. I think the fact that you want to learn how
to defeat copy protection under the pretense that you'd like to
transfer your home movies belies the fact that you are more interested
in defeating copy protection than in learning about converting VHS to
DVD. The latter is dirt simple, and if you can't grasp the basic
concepts involved, especially with a standalone DVD recorder, you're
quite likely a lousy scientist. |
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Orak Listalavostok
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Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:08 pm Post subject:
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pdtv_info@yahoo.com (PDTV) wrote in message news:<2689a1aa.0406231045.88a2b76@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | converting VHS to DVD ... is dirt simple, and if you can't grasp the
basic concepts involved, especially with a standalone DVD recorder,
you're quite likely a lousy scientist.
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The technical (i.e., non-emotional) question was how to do two things:
- How to squish a large MPEG-2 file down to less than 4.7 GB?
- How to convert that 4.7 GB MPEG-2 file to DVD format (VIDEO_TS/*.VOB)?
I just tried this (much simpler) experiment:
- Hook VCR RCA jacks to the MovieBox DV & set VCR lineout to "TV"
- Plug the MovieBox DV firewire output into the ThinkPad laptop
- Power on the VCR and Pinnacle Systems MovieBox DV unit
- Start up Studio 9.1.2 & set the auxillary files folder
- Save the TV signal (as an avi) to disk using Studio 9 "capture"
- Edit the resultant AVI file using Studio 9 "edit" mode
- Save to DVD format (VIDEO_TS) using Studio 9 "make movie" mode
by pressing the Studio 9 "Disc: Create disc" button
- Wait for the two-pass "Make movie in progress" to complete
- There will be no indication Studio 9 is done other than the
"Create Disc" button goes from red back to green
- This created a "video_ts" dir in the Auxillary files location
- This 62.4 MB dir contained VIDEO_TS.IFO, VIDEO_TS.VOB and
others (which played for 52 seconds with Intervideo WinDVD 3.2)
- This "video_ts" directory easily burned to DVD using Sonic
RecordNow, version 6.7.0 & played on a home DVD player.
CONCLUSION:
Every time I do anything, I learn something.
In this case, I learned the age-old adage to "walk before running".
This small pipecleaner test case showed the two questions as moot,
at least when the test case is smaller than a single DVD (4.7 Gbytes).
a) These steps didn't create an MPEG-2 file (*.mpg anyway).
b) These steps don't need squishing (because they're small).
I still need to try with a larger testcase, so I may just let the
"Rube Goldberg Tivo" system run for a few hours to capture TV to
AVI and then try the "Create Disc" on a very large file to see if
Studio 9.1.2 does the automatic compression of the DVD files (*.VOB).
If Studio 9.1.2 does the compression of the resultant DVD files
(VIDEO_TS/*.VOB), then there is no need to ask the question. If not,
then the question reverts to:
How to squish a large DVD directory (VIDEO_TS/*.VOB) to 4.7 GB?
Thanks for all your kind help and I hope posting these lab notes
will help tens of thousands of others "stand on the shoulders of
giants", which is how mankind progresses.
Orak Listalavostok
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Jeremy Wrinklebottom
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Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:59 am Post subject:
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"Orak Listalavostok" <oraklistal@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44d113e9.0406250808.5449b1c0@posting.google.com...
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Thanks for all your kind help and I hope posting these lab notes
will help tens of thousands of others "stand on the shoulders of
giants", which is how mankind progresses.
Orak Listalavostok
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wow....................... Oral Kistalotocok!!!
with those parting words...you should have been a poet
not a scientist!!!! |
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