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TimPerry
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 6:16 am Post subject:
Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
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George Gleason
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:
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David Duffy wrote:
| Quote: | TimPerry wrote:
nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
Does it really matter? Read what it says above each
connector and hook up appropriately. Simply huh? :-)
I wouldn't have assumed that there would be a standard.
David...
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or he could have written
DEAR JBL why did you used RED to indicate the minus terminal on your
speakers
George |
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Rob Beech
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:
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"David Duffy" <david@nospam.audiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote in message
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| Quote: | TimPerry wrote:
nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the
input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
Does it really matter? Read what it says above each
connector and hook up appropriately. Simply huh? :-)
I wouldn't have assumed that there would be a standard.
David..
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Yes sometimes it could matter. You should always read where you are plugging
in a connector even if you have worked with the gear for years night after
night. However if you are walking about in the dark messing with a range of
cabinets if you develop a fault mid show it could be easy to get this wrong.
Still i suppose it does help to know the gear before hand.
I would assume in at the left out at the right but theres nothing to say
that how it has to be done.
Rob |
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George Gleason
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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Rob Beech wrote:
| Quote: | "David Duffy" <david@nospam.audiovisualdevices.com.au> wrote in message
news:41bd674a$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
TimPerry wrote:
nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the
input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
Does it really matter? Read what it says above each
connector and hook up appropriately. Simply huh? :-)
I wouldn't have assumed that there would be a standard.
David..
Yes sometimes it could matter. You should always read where you are plugging
in a connector even if you have worked with the gear for years night after
night. However if you are walking about in the dark messing with a range of
cabinets if you develop a fault mid show it could be easy to get this wrong.
Still i suppose it does help to know the gear before hand.
I would assume in at the left out at the right but theres nothing to say
that how it has to be done.
Rob
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Most cabinets in this range are passive full range
and the in/out is a simple hard wire connection, that is it doesn't
matter in or our both jacks work the same
the behringer is switchable passive or bi-amp able
and yes there is a user responsibility to understand the gear they use
what was really not something I felt like dealing with were my RCF sub
where is you ran one to another you needed a polarity reversing cable as
the nl4's on the jack plate inverted polarity, BY DESIGN!!!!
George |
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David Duffy
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 2:16 pm Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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TimPerry wrote:
| Quote: | nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
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Does it really matter? Read what it says above each
connector and hook up appropriately. Simply huh? :-)
I wouldn't have assumed that there would be a standard.
David... |
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Dan Gruner
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:BP6dncj9RI8KYSHcRVn-ug@adelphia.com...
| Quote: | nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
granted that in active mode it makes no differance.
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Dear ABSTRACT (Not audio - lighting, but still relevant)
WHY owe WHY do you wire you DMX connections the wrong way round (Pin 2 hot)
Makes life so difficult when combining them with luminaries from other
manufactures!
GGGgggrrr....
Dan |
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Glenn Dowdy
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:BP6dncj9RI8KYSHcRVn-ug@adelphia.com...
| Quote: | nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
How do you like the sub? |
Glenn D. |
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Blind Joni
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Mon Dec 13, 2004 9:29 pm Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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| Quote: | or he could have written
DEAR JBL why did you used RED to indicate the minus terminal on your
speakers
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A much more useful question.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637 |
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Michael Maclean
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:31 am Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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Dan Gruner wrote:
| Quote: | Dear ABSTRACT (Not audio - lighting, but still relevant)
WHY owe WHY do you wire you DMX connections the wrong way round (Pin 2 hot)
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All the newer models from them (the VR series and above) that I've seen
auto-detect which side is hot, which is nice.
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Cheers,
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TimPerry
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:48 am Post subject:
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"Glenn Dowdy" <glenn.no.dowdy@hpspam.com> wrote in message
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"TimPerry" <timperry@noaspamadelphia.net> wrote in message
news:BP6dncj9RI8KYSHcRVn-ug@adelphia.com...
nearly every other PA speaker in existance has the left jack as the
input
and the right jack as the output. What made you do it differently?
How do you like the sub?
Glenn D.
Well here is the story. It was kind of a last min for charity Blues Brothers |
show. I had been negotiating on a used Yorkville Elite system (18" subs and
tops) but the asking price was more then what I could buy it for new
elsewhere.
anyway the store owner quoted me $350 for the pair of new floor stock. Then
he threw in a Sennheiser E602 for $75. What could I do? Out with the plastic
and away with the goodies.
I had not time to even test the speakers before use. I had another charity
event in the AM using entirely different gear. "Jake" has informed me that
we couldn't have access to the venue before 4:30 .... guests arrive at 6.
I decided to try the subs as passives with JBL SF 15 on top.
It was your typical underlit venue with low ceilings (I could reach up and
touch the ceiling and I am not tall)
The amps were 2 RMX 850 in bridged mode with 50Hz filters on. I figured I
had way more then enough to handle a crowd of 65.
I even took an Ashley x-over in case I needed it... but didn't have time to
reconfigure.
The amps behaved quite strangely they seemed to clip early and harshly.
however the show was a roaring success with encores, the levels were
adequate for the mostly older crowd. The brothers spend most their time in
front of the mains at any given event, this show never had a hint of
feedback. (all my sabines stayed home this time)
After unloading the next day I played with them for a few hours, diagnosed
the problem, switched to active mode, determined that using the Blues tracks
that the system sounded best with a 200Hz x-over point and a 9 dB per octave
slope.
I expect that these subs will do what I need them to do. I have my doubts
about the long term survivability of the slide switch but will deal with it
if and when a problem occurs.
Now does anyone have a used NSI dim pack and controller they want to unload
cheap? |
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George Gleason
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 5:58 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Now does anyone have a used NSI dim pack and controller they want to unload
cheap?
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Behringers 6 ch 1200 watt a channel pac is only about 180$ new
runs DMX or analogue can be programed to run without a controller |
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George Gleason
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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Rob Beech wrote:
| Quote: | "George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:HUqvd.122241$7i4.101630@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
Now does anyone have a used NSI dim pack and controller they want to
unload
cheap?
Behringers 6 ch 1200 watt a channel pac is only about 180$ new
runs DMX or analogue can be programed to run without a controller
On that note have you experienced them first hand George?
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yes I have 2 of them
| Quote: | I am wanting a dimmer soon (i'll need 2) but i'm only running PAR 64's off
em.
Trouble is. aot of venues we go to dont have 3phase outlets availabe (crazy
yeah). It says they can be wried single phase.. but... just wondered if you
knew theprocess..
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yes mine are wired with three independent Edison plugs I can use it
single or three phase
it was a chore to do this
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i know practiocally nothing about lighting apart from.. on off and how
dimmmers work how dmx works... thats about ya lot.
Any info on running that behinrger unit from single phase and the sort of
supply you'd need..
talking 2 lots of 6 PAR64 (1000w) - i understand how much 12,000 watts is
its how they can be wired or single phase use..
will probably run tehir dmx controller with it... i know its onyl par cans
for now. so its pretty much wasted but its a start and if they're good, for
the money you can't go wrong.
Cheers....
Rob
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in order to do this single phase you need 6 20 amp circuits
a 20 amp circuit is 2400 watts at 120 volts
The behringer is configured with eurobloc terminal strip
that is there is no plug or output patch panel
the input is
hot1
hot2
hot3
ground
neutral
with three edisons you hook the black from each whip to one of the hots
you combine all the neutrals to the single neutral point on the
terminal strip and combine all the grounds to the SAFETY point on the
terminal strip
of course you could also hard wire it to a disconnect in the lighting case
I choose to make mine on Edison as the only 60 amp connector is a
camlocs , I choose to break mine down into 20 amp inputs
my output, there are NO output connectors just another terminal block
inside the dimmer
I wired a soco to the euroblock
hots going to the loads and again ganging all the neutrals on the one
neutral bus and all the grounds on the safety bus
with this I can hook a soco directly to one of my Thomas light bars for
a 6 x1000 watt light set
OR
I can hook a dual Edison outlet panel to the soco and run 12 500 watt
loads off each dimmer pack
pics are available, though I would need a week or so to drag out the
dimmer to take them
I would guess I have close to 100$ into the hook up and output patch
panel per dimmer in addition to the 180$ cost of the dimmer
George
George
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Rob Beech
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:HUqvd.122241$7i4.101630@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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Now does anyone have a used NSI dim pack and controller they want to
unload
cheap?
Behringers 6 ch 1200 watt a channel pac is only about 180$ new
runs DMX or analogue can be programed to run without a controller
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On that note have you experienced them first hand George?
I am wanting a dimmer soon (i'll need 2) but i'm only running PAR 64's off
em.
Trouble is. aot of venues we go to dont have 3phase outlets availabe (crazy
yeah). It says they can be wried single phase.. but... just wondered if you
knew theprocess..
i know practiocally nothing about lighting apart from.. on off and how
dimmmers work how dmx works... thats about ya lot.
Any info on running that behinrger unit from single phase and the sort of
supply you'd need..
talking 2 lots of 6 PAR64 (1000w) - i understand how much 12,000 watts is
its how they can be wired or single phase use..
will probably run tehir dmx controller with it... i know its onyl par cans
for now. so its pretty much wasted but its a start and if they're good, for
the money you can't go wrong.
Cheers....
Rob |
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George Gleason
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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Mike wrote:
| Quote: | Well here is the story. It was kind of a last min for charity Blues
Brothers show. I had been negotiating on a used Yorkville Elite
system (18" subs and tops) but the asking price was more then
what I could buy it for new elsewhere.
Which models??
I expect that these subs will do what I need them to do. I have
my doubts about the long term survivability of the slide switch
but will deal with it if and when a problem occurs.
FWIW, we have a bunch of the Yorkville elite gear. We use the ES1004
double 18" subs (and the newer LS1004) along with the EF508 top cabinets and
EM508 monitors. The switches on the cabinets have never been a problem.
Mike Borkhuis
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I doubt the switches on the Behringer will either
they even have a locking device to prevent accidently movement
g |
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Mike
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Tue Dec 14, 2004 6:13 am Post subject:
Re: Dear Behringer (B1800X) |
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| Quote: | Well here is the story. It was kind of a last min for charity Blues
Brothers show. I had been negotiating on a used Yorkville Elite
system (18" subs and tops) but the asking price was more then
what I could buy it for new elsewhere.
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Which models??
| Quote: | I expect that these subs will do what I need them to do. I have
my doubts about the long term survivability of the slide switch
but will deal with it if and when a problem occurs.
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FWIW, we have a bunch of the Yorkville elite gear. We use the ES1004
double 18" subs (and the newer LS1004) along with the EF508 top cabinets and
EM508 monitors. The switches on the cabinets have never been a problem.
Mike Borkhuis |
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