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Stuart
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//

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luminos
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

"Stuart" <sarooney@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ZSZgd.13247$5i5.3182@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Quote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder?

This and the ADS Instant DVD 2 are pretty good USB2 devices.


Quote:
Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing?

It is useless.

Edit with VideoReDo (shareware). Accept no substitutes for Mpeg2 files.

Quote:
Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//



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Graham Mayor
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

The Plextor device itself is fine - though which genius put connections on
both the front and back panels?

Its drivers leave a bit to be desired, especially with the SP2 patch
installed on Windows XP.

The WinDVD Creator 2 software is clunky and inflexible. It has one of the
simplest to use editors but crashes too often for comfort whilst editing and
cannot be entirely trusted to retain part completed projects.

NeroVision Express 3 works with it and is much more reliable in use although
its editor, while competent, is annoying to use especially when you need to
eliminate scenes and/or advertisements.

There is also a small capture utility available to download from Plextor
called GoCap which will allow you to capture the output of the device to
disc, in any of its available formats.

There are lots of pieces of video related software around that do some
things well and other things badly, so much of the processing can be taken
up by switching the files between applications. However for the application
you have in mind, the Plextor package will enable you to digitize, edit and
convert your tapes to DVD. If you need to save the VOB files it produces to
burn later, then you'll need to run them through VOBBlanker or you'll get
error messages from (eg) Nero. I have only had one failure, when I asked the
WinDVD app to write directly to my USB2 connected writer which produced a
coaster. This may have been attributable to the media, but since then I
always output to VOB and burn later with Nero. Since VisionExpress3 came
out, I have been using that with great results, but that editor needs work
:(

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Graham Mayor
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Stuart wrote:
Quote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//
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John Phillips
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Does the Plextor have the Audio Sync issue? I have a lot of two hour tapes
and I do not want to deal with the audio not matching the lips.

John


"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2ujmr4F2cdondU1@uni-berlin.de...
Quote:
The Plextor device itself is fine - though which genius put connections on
both the front and back panels?

Its drivers leave a bit to be desired, especially with the SP2 patch
installed on Windows XP.

The WinDVD Creator 2 software is clunky and inflexible. It has one of the
simplest to use editors but crashes too often for comfort whilst editing
and
cannot be entirely trusted to retain part completed projects.

NeroVision Express 3 works with it and is much more reliable in use
although
its editor, while competent, is annoying to use especially when you need
to
eliminate scenes and/or advertisements.

There is also a small capture utility available to download from Plextor
called GoCap which will allow you to capture the output of the device to
disc, in any of its available formats.

There are lots of pieces of video related software around that do some
things well and other things badly, so much of the processing can be taken
up by switching the files between applications. However for the
application
you have in mind, the Plextor package will enable you to digitize, edit
and
convert your tapes to DVD. If you need to save the VOB files it produces
to
burn later, then you'll need to run them through VOBBlanker or you'll get
error messages from (eg) Nero. I have only had one failure, when I asked
the
WinDVD app to write directly to my USB2 connected writer which produced a
coaster. This may have been attributable to the media, but since then I
always output to VOB and burn later with Nero. Since VisionExpress3 came
out, I have been using that with great results, but that editor needs work
:(

--

Graham Mayor






Stuart wrote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//

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Graham Mayor
Guest





Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

The only time it shows a problem with lip synch is if the box has not
correctly initialised, pulling the USB plug and reinserting again after a
few seconds will clear it. This is more an issue of the WinDVD software
which is a system hog, than the box, and you can see whether you have a
problem by watching the preview.

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Graham Mayor
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John Phillips wrote:
Quote:
Does the Plextor have the Audio Sync issue? I have a lot of two hour
tapes and I do not want to deal with the audio not matching the lips.

John


"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2ujmr4F2cdondU1@uni-berlin.de...
The Plextor device itself is fine - though which genius put
connections on both the front and back panels?

Its drivers leave a bit to be desired, especially with the SP2 patch
installed on Windows XP.

The WinDVD Creator 2 software is clunky and inflexible. It has one
of the simplest to use editors but crashes too often for comfort
whilst editing and cannot be entirely trusted to retain part
completed projects.

NeroVision Express 3 works with it and is much more reliable in use
although its editor, while competent, is annoying to use especially
when you need to eliminate scenes and/or advertisements.

There is also a small capture utility available to download from
Plextor called GoCap which will allow you to capture the output of
the device to disc, in any of its available formats.

There are lots of pieces of video related software around that do
some things well and other things badly, so much of the processing
can be taken up by switching the files between applications. However
for the application you have in mind, the Plextor package will
enable you to digitize, edit and convert your tapes to DVD. If you
need to save the VOB files it produces to burn later, then you'll
need to run them through VOBBlanker or you'll get error messages
from (eg) Nero. I have only had one failure, when I asked the WinDVD
app to write directly to my USB2 connected writer which produced a
coaster. This may have been attributable to the media, but since
then I always output to VOB and burn later with Nero. Since
VisionExpress3 came out, I have been using that with great results,
but that editor needs work :(

--

Graham Mayor






Stuart wrote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//
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Stuart
Guest





Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Graham and luminos, thank you for your replies.

Quote:
The Plextor drivers leave a bit to be desired, especially with
the SP2 patch installed on Windows XP.
I am running under the new XP patch. Does this mean I might

be better off with ADS Instant DVD 2 than the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX? Any known difference between the
two with audio/video sync?

Quote:
There is also a small capture utility available to download
from Plextor called GoCap which will allow you to capture
the output of the device to disc, in any of its available formats.
Does this, or something small and simple like it, work with ADS

Instant DVD 2?

Quote:
If you need to save the VOB files it produces to
burn later, then you'll need to run them through VOBBlanker
or you'll get error messages from (eg) Nero.
Thanks. I am planning to go to Mpeg2 files for my personal

stuff, but to VOB with some West Coast Swing dance tapes
I recorded that I want to share.

Stuart//
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nospam@comcast.com
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

i use the 402U to pull the video onto hard drive, then other tools for
editing. foolproof hardware real time capture. worth every penny.

"Stuart" <sarooney@mindspring.com> wrote:
Quote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//


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John Phillips
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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Does it have any audio/video sync problems on long (2 hours) transfers?

John


<nospam@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:kc9ao09m3ktf7d6tj8mnamh8fo5j4skbpj@4ax.com...
Quote:
i use the 402U to pull the video onto hard drive, then other tools for
editing. foolproof hardware real time capture. worth every penny.

"Stuart" <sarooney@mindspring.com> wrote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//



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Graham Mayor
Guest





Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Stuart wrote:
Quote:
Graham and luminos, thank you for your replies.

The Plextor drivers leave a bit to be desired, especially with
the SP2 patch installed on Windows XP.
I am running under the new XP patch. Does this mean I might
be better off with ADS Instant DVD 2 than the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX? Any known difference between the
two with audio/video sync?

Can't comment on the ADS, but Plextor's support is good and there's a
working driver on the US support web site. If I wasn't using a laptop I
would personally prefer a PCI solution. I have a Hauppauge TV card that
works well, but my daughter has grabbed my desktop machine and I haven't
replaced it yet.

Quote:
There is also a small capture utility available to download
from Plextor called GoCap which will allow you to capture
the output of the device to disc, in any of its available formats.
Does this, or something small and simple like it, work with ADS
Instant DVD 2?

GoCap only works with the Plextor unit. Nero VisionExpress 3 will capture
the data from the Plextor device without all the overhead of the InterVideo
software.

Quote:
If you need to save the VOB files it produces to
burn later, then you'll need to run them through VOBBlanker
or you'll get error messages from (eg) Nero.
Thanks. I am planning to go to Mpeg2 files for my personal
stuff, but to VOB with some West Coast Swing dance tapes
I recorded that I want to share.

Vision Express 3 is looking good then :)
Quote:

Stuart//

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luminos
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Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Quote:
Vision Express 3 is looking good then :)


Check some other entries via google. Vision Express 3 is *full* of bugs and
retrogressive elements (like long encoding times).

Express 2 is the only acceptable Nero authoring solution.
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Graham Mayor
Guest





Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

Having been messing round further with the Plextor unit and VisionExpress
since this thread began, I recorded a two hour film, live from TV yesterday
evening and the quality of the AVI file is impressive and as there are lots
of scenes involving close facial views towards the end of the film, any lip
synch issues would be immediately obvious. There were none. I still have to
get that quality onto disc, but I am hopeful that this is the way forward,
but so far files exported from VisionExpress have not been entirely
satisfactory. I guess I'll have to do my editing elsewhere :(

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Graham Mayor
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John Phillips wrote:
Quote:
Does it have any audio/video sync problems on long (2 hours)
transfers?

John


nospam@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:kc9ao09m3ktf7d6tj8mnamh8fo5j4skbpj@4ax.com...
i use the 402U to pull the video onto hard drive, then other tools
for editing. foolproof hardware real time capture. worth every penny.

"Stuart" <sarooney@mindspring.com> wrote:
It does not take a lot of playing around with slow software
encoding and conversion to figure out that using an old TV
tuner card and AVI >>? conversion wastes enough time to
pay for a better solution for digitizing old VHS and Hi8
NTSC tapes.

Does anyone have any experience with the Plextor
PX-TV402U ConvertX product or any competitive
hardware real-time converter/encoder? Any thoughts if
the WinDVD Creator 2 software that comes with ConvertX
is adequate to save it to the hard drive for editing? Some
very rough cut editing preventing some taped material
from ever being saved to the hard drive would be preferred.

I am aware of all the "off-line" DVD recorders, but all my
tapes need to be edited. I'd rather not burn a bunch of
useless DVDs. I want to go directly to my hard drive and
edit before burning.

Stuart//
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Graham Mayor
Guest





Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2004 5:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

You are certainly right about the long encoding times. A two hour recording
I made last night took about 2 hours 40 minutes to encode and write to disc.
This is comparable with other applications I have used. The NeroVision
process is a little odd in that the writing stage starts about halfway
through. The editor section too is dreadful, but I don't recall Vision
Express 2 working correctly with the Plextor device so I cannot comment.

My only observation is that, as a capture device, VisionExpress3 works very
well indeed to produce AVI video quality that surpasses that produced by the
software supplied with the Plextor device.

It remains to be seen how good the finished DVD turns out to be. If the
results are maintained through the processing stage, then I can tolerate the
idiosyncracies of the program and learn to live with the dreadful editor.

Preliminary examination of the finished DVD suggests the results are pretty
good, but more tests will be required before I would be prepared to
categorically state that Nerovision does a better job overall. For the
moment it is a fine capture tool.

I have still to find an editor with which I am entirely happy, and to
discover whether it is possible to retain completely the video quality that
comes off the Plextor.

--
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Graham Mayor
<>>< ><<> ><<>





luminos wrote:
Quote:
Vision Express 3 is looking good then :)


Check some other entries via google. Vision Express 3 is *full* of
bugs and retrogressive elements (like long encoding times).

Express 2 is the only acceptable Nero authoring solution.
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luminos
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Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:26 am    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2umpkjF2cdd0mU1@uni-berlin.de...
Quote:
You are certainly right about the long encoding times. A two hour
recording
I made last night took about 2 hours 40 minutes to encode and write to
disc.
This is comparable with other applications I have used. The NeroVision
process is a little odd in that the writing stage starts about halfway
through. The editor section too is dreadful, but I don't recall Vision
Express 2 working correctly with the Plextor device so I cannot comment.

My only observation is that, as a capture device, VisionExpress3 works
very
well indeed to produce AVI video quality that surpasses that produced by
the
software supplied with the Plextor device.

It remains to be seen how good the finished DVD turns out to be. If the
results are maintained through the processing stage, then I can tolerate
the
idiosyncracies of the program and learn to live with the dreadful editor.

Preliminary examination of the finished DVD suggests the results are
pretty
good, but more tests will be required before I would be prepared to
categorically state that Nerovision does a better job overall. For the
moment it is a fine capture tool.

I have still to find an editor with which I am entirely happy, and to
discover whether it is possible to retain completely the video quality
that
comes off the Plextor.

--

Graham Mayor



I appreciate your observations and commentary. Unfortunately, Vision
Express 3 capture does a GPF with the ADS Instant DVD 2, one of the capture
devices I have.

I just noted a rather significant increase in encoding time in Express 3.
Others have reported very serious problems when adding titling, effects,
editing, etc.
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Graham Mayor
Guest





Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 1:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

luminos wrote:
Quote:
"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2umpkjF2cdd0mU1@uni-berlin.de...
You are certainly right about the long encoding times. A two hour
recording
I made last night took about 2 hours 40 minutes to encode and write
to disc.
This is comparable with other applications I have used. The
NeroVision process is a little odd in that the writing stage starts
about halfway through. The editor section too is dreadful, but I
don't recall Vision Express 2 working correctly with the Plextor
device so I cannot comment.

My only observation is that, as a capture device, VisionExpress3
works very
well indeed to produce AVI video quality that surpasses that
produced by the
software supplied with the Plextor device.

It remains to be seen how good the finished DVD turns out to be. If
the results are maintained through the processing stage, then I can
tolerate the
idiosyncracies of the program and learn to live with the dreadful
editor.

Preliminary examination of the finished DVD suggests the results are
pretty
good, but more tests will be required before I would be prepared to
categorically state that Nerovision does a better job overall. For
the moment it is a fine capture tool.

I have still to find an editor with which I am entirely happy, and to
discover whether it is possible to retain completely the video
quality that
comes off the Plextor.

--

Graham Mayor



I appreciate your observations and commentary. Unfortunately, Vision
Express 3 capture does a GPF with the ADS Instant DVD 2, one of the
capture devices I have.

I just noted a rather significant increase in encoding time in
Express 3. Others have reported very serious problems when adding
titling, effects, editing, etc.

I guess this is down to standards (or rather lack of them) between competing
products again :(

VisionExpress 3 has proved to be the best capture tool I have come across so
far (most are incompatible with Plextor). The video quality is noticably
better than that of the supplied software and the output AVI files are
compatible with a wider range of software eg. the Intervideo files are
incompatible with VirtualDub, but Nero's work fine (and yes I do have all
the right codecs).

The editor is utterly dreadful. Cutting (say) ads. from TV productions is a
nightmare, and the titling is limiting (though frankly when transcribing TV
material I am not too bothered about titles). To date it has produced the
best final results from TV material by a wide margin.

Intervideo's editor is child's play to use, but then you have to output the
file and it is very limiting in this respect, so useless - and the output is
'notchy' as though every other frame is missing.

Anyone have any suggestions for editors that I may have missed?

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luminos
Guest





Posted: Wed Nov 03, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Re: Hardware encoding Reply with quote

"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2up0c9F2bnjgfU1@uni-berlin.de...
Quote:
luminos wrote:
"Graham Mayor" <gmayor@noonehome.com> wrote in message
news:2umpkjF2cdd0mU1@uni-berlin.de...
You are certainly right about the long encoding times. A two hour
recording
I made last night took about 2 hours 40 minutes to encode and write
to disc.
This is comparable with other applications I have used. The
NeroVision process is a little odd in that the writing stage starts
about halfway through. The editor section too is dreadful, but I
don't recall Vision Express 2 working correctly with the Plextor
device so I cannot comment.

My only observation is that, as a capture device, VisionExpress3
works very
well indeed to produce AVI video quality that surpasses that
produced by the
software supplied with the Plextor device.

It remains to be seen how good the finished DVD turns out to be. If
the results are maintained through the processing stage, then I can
tolerate the
idiosyncracies of the program and learn to live with the dreadful
editor.

Preliminary examination of the finished DVD suggests the results are
pretty
good, but more tests will be required before I would be prepared to
categorically state that Nerovision does a better job overall. For
the moment it is a fine capture tool.

I have still to find an editor with which I am entirely happy, and to
discover whether it is possible to retain completely the video
quality that
comes off the Plextor.

--

Graham Mayor



I appreciate your observations and commentary. Unfortunately, Vision
Express 3 capture does a GPF with the ADS Instant DVD 2, one of the
capture devices I have.

I just noted a rather significant increase in encoding time in
Express 3. Others have reported very serious problems when adding
titling, effects, editing, etc.

I guess this is down to standards (or rather lack of them) between
competing
products again :(

VisionExpress 3 has proved to be the best capture tool I have come across
so
far (most are incompatible with Plextor). The video quality is noticably
better than that of the supplied software and the output AVI files are
compatible with a wider range of software eg. the Intervideo files are
incompatible with VirtualDub, but Nero's work fine (and yes I do have all
the right codecs).

The editor is utterly dreadful. Cutting (say) ads. from TV productions is
a
nightmare, and the titling is limiting (though frankly when transcribing
TV
material I am not too bothered about titles). To date it has produced the
best final results from TV material by a wide margin.

Intervideo's editor is child's play to use, but then you have to output
the
file and it is very limiting in this respect, so useless - and the output
is
'notchy' as though every other frame is missing.

Anyone have any suggestions for editors that I may have missed?

--

Graham Mayor





In my opinion...for editing alone...VideoReDo is a near miracle. It always
works, is fast, and never produces a sync problem. Frame accurate Mpeg2
editing.


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