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Stewart Pinkerton
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Ersatz, homogenized, blameless |
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On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 13:42:31 GMT, "Ian Iveson"
<IanIveson.home@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote
The 'global song' may in one sense be going to MP3, which may
cause
some fretting, but true audiophiles should rejoice in the
availability
of DVD-A, as they did rejoice when CD replaced vinyl. Lest we
forget,
the 'vinyl backlash' (such as it is) didn't happen until the '90s,
and
appears more of a nostalgia thing than anything to do with
audiophiles
who are seeking 'the closest approach to the original sound'. Some
audiophiles are actually progressive, y'know, and want to dig
their
toes in!
What original sound? Early last century perhaps?
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Nope, last night in the concert hall.
| Quote: | The last 50 yrs was spent developing the Krell. Once it was perfect
people realised that it isn't what we want.
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Who's this 'we' of which you speak? As far as I am am concerned, it is
definitely what we want!
| Quote: | So we are rummaging
through history to see where we went wrong. I blame RDH.
Interaction is essential to the idiom and part of the art. You can't
just engineer it.
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Sure you can, and who needs interaction from a concert audience? We
get far too much of that anyway, from sweet papers!
| Quote: | Once Sony produce all the music and make all the home sound systems,
they will be the sole authority on what is correct. Only they will
have heard the "original".
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Regrettably, there is truth in that..... :-(
| Quote: | They can perform whatever transforms they
like and your argument will be a foolish quirk of history. They will
be the global performer, and the "original sound" will be born
again, direct from your Sony speakers, indubitably authentic and
untouched.
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Possibly, but their classical and jazz divisions will still have to
mimic original live performances.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering
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Stewart Pinkerton
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:07 pm Post subject:
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:18:21 +0200, "Iain M Churches"
<tael@kolumbus.fi> wrote:
| Quote: | "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:u3tfr0pkd0tm4umui6m7332re401ak6ntf@4ax.com...
(snip)
Lest we forget,
the 'vinyl backlash' (such as it is) didn't happen until the '90s, and
appears more of a nostalgia thing than anything to do with audiophiles
who are seeking 'the closest approach to the original sound'.
"Vinyl backlash" seems such an inappropriate term
"vinyl renaissance" sounds a lot better in every sense:-)
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But not so accurate - pun intended.
Hardly a rebirth - more of a death rattle.
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
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Patrick Turner
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Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Ersatz, homogenized, blameless |
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Ian Iveson wrote:
| Quote: | "Stewart Pinkerton" <patent3@dircon.co.uk> wrote
The 'global song' may in one sense be going to MP3, which may
cause
some fretting, but true audiophiles should rejoice in the
availability
of DVD-A, as they did rejoice when CD replaced vinyl. Lest we
forget,
the 'vinyl backlash' (such as it is) didn't happen until the '90s,
and
appears more of a nostalgia thing than anything to do with
audiophiles
who are seeking 'the closest approach to the original sound'. Some
audiophiles are actually progressive, y'know, and want to dig
their
toes in!
What original sound? Early last century perhaps?
The last 50 yrs was spent developing the Krell. Once it was perfect
people realised that it isn't what we want. So we are rummaging
through history to see where we went wrong. I blame RDH.
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Such a view of history every man hath....
But I think the originators of the Krell saw the rough draft of the
latest edition RDH4 in 1954,
and said to Fritz, the author, "Oi, there ain't nuffink in 'ere about
yer transistars",
and then spent the next 50 years perfecting their product in the absense
of any
tubatious ideas whatsoever.
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Interaction is essential to the idiom and part of the art. You can't
just engineer it.
Once Sony produce all the music and make all the home sound systems,
they will be the sole authority on what is correct. Only they will
have heard the "original". They can perform whatever transforms they
like and your argument will be a foolish quirk of history. They will
be the global performer, and the "original sound" will be born
again, direct from your Sony speakers, indubitably authentic and
untouched.
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But Sony won't be the sole producer of music, or be able to posess all
of
music's soul.
There will always be backyard recording studios making their own CDs,
on goodness knows what sort of gear....
The vast majority of recordings are pop.
The artistes being recorded hate their own natural sound, and want it
all
equ'd and distorted, reverb added, compressed, de-essed, etc, etc,
to try to make some market impression that doesn't require real talent,
as long as it sounds cool and sells well.
And the computer can provide the drums, and all these other
effects.......
Somebody said in 1895,
"Damn, and now some idiot has invented a gramophone.
It will be intolerable if these insufferably un-talented people
are recorded for posterity."
Maybe he knew good music when he heard it.
Patrick Turner.
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