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Tom Schlangen
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Sun Dec 05, 2004 6:21 pm Post subject:
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Hi TubeGarden,
| Quote: | Despite much hoopla, nothing you can see with your eyes
will tell you if you like the sound of a tube in a circuit.
That is what you have ears for :)
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And:
| Quote: | If you like it, it is a good tube.
If not, don't blame its printing nor its visage.
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Well said, Alan!
Tom
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If in doubt, mumble.
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firedome
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:14 am Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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Bigot!!!!
Brian McAllister <Sunset@Blandings.com> wrote in message news:<jqluq01jrqqu840uqhcsmu53svihl53ur1@4ax.com>...
| Quote: | On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:00:37 -0500, "Syl's Old Radioz"
restoration@oldradioz.com> wrote:
"DC" a écrit dans le message de news: PomdnRqbjrIsFTPcRVn-vw@comcast.com...
Been playing with my yard sale tube stock finds. Now I know why Bugle Boy
tubes get so much money--they really are incredible.
Haven't worked my way down to the Telefunken's yet. But Bugle Boy
definately beats all the GE, RCA, and Syl
What's wrong sith Syl ?
Syl
Answer no.1
Let's see. RCA and GE are currently owned by Thomson, so they're
French, which explains why they are no good. But I thought that
Syl-vania was owned by Philips which is Dutch, so I don't know what is
wrong with them. ;-)
Or, answer no.2
We've been wondering the same thing for years. "What's wrong sith Syl
?" ;-)
Brian McAllister
Sarasota, Florida
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Andy Cowley
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:28 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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Mike Gilmour wrote:
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Hi Andy,
Check vacuumtubes.com under Amperex tell then they are wrong ;-) Their
experiences have also been mine, good with Mullard & Holland produced Bugle
Boy's and not so the Matsushita.. DC is IMO also right in his post which
does not indicate merely average valves with changed print. As DC also
noted good BB's realise a high ebay price with good reason - because they
are that good in half way decent valve gear. I know already that many
different brands come out of the same factory and in many cases it shows,
however the difference between an average and a top rate valve is not
marginal. The anode was a mistype the previous post mentioned plate,
brainfade linked plate-anode...an angloamerican thingy :-)
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Bugle Boys are _no different_ to any other valves produced in the same
factory. No higher spec or extended testing or low noise or selected
for anything. If you can hear a difference between Bugle Boys and
Mullards or Philips from the same source then your ears are broken.
There are differences with date of production, but these apply to
all the factory's production.
BTW someone is now rebranding NOS US and new Chinese and Russian
tubes as Bugle Boys so be very careful what you buy. You may not get
anything close to the real thing. See
http://www.tubes.it/amperex_bb_eng.htm
I can't see anything on the vacuumtubes.com site that confirms what
you assert about the full circle holes in the shield indicating
Matsushita manufacture. Have you got a specific reference other than
http://www.vacuumtubes.com/6267.html ?
In fact they bunch all their Philips group Dutch tubes together at one
price, as I would expect.
They do repeat the canard about Gold Lion tubes having individual
test reports. Maybe some very early examples did but most have a
printed sample test sheet, identical in every box. The valves are
_identical_ in all respects to Genalex or any of the other M.O.
brands with similar dates.
best
Andy |
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Mike Gilmour
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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"Andy Cowley" <andy.cowley@uwe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:I8B6yB.KG5@bath.ac.uk...
| Quote: | Mike Gilmour wrote:
Hi Andy,
Check vacuumtubes.com under Amperex tell then they are wrong ;-) Their
experiences have also been mine, good with Mullard & Holland produced
Bugle Boy's and not so the Matsushita.. DC is IMO also right in his post
which does not indicate merely average valves with changed print. As DC
also noted good BB's realise a high ebay price with good reason - because
they are that good in half way decent valve gear. I know already that
many different brands come out of the same factory and in many cases it
shows, however the difference between an average and a top rate valve is
not marginal. The anode was a mistype the previous post mentioned
plate, brainfade linked plate-anode...an angloamerican thingy :-)
Bugle Boys are _no different_ to any other valves produced in the same
factory. No higher spec or extended testing or low noise or selected
for anything. If you can hear a difference between Bugle Boys and
Mullards or Philips from the same source then your ears are broken.
There are differences with date of production, but these apply to
all the factory's production.
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Well if that is correct then I seem to have been extremely lucky with the
Holland NOS BB's I have already used, purchased a number of years ago now.
It makes choice much easy BB's, Mullards & Philips from the same source i.e.
Philips dutch group that are audibly identical. I will indeed compare and
listen...
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BTW someone is now rebranding NOS US and new Chinese and Russian
tubes as Bugle Boys so be very careful what you buy. You may not get
anything close to the real thing. See
http://www.tubes.it/amperex_bb_eng.htm
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Yes I agree, I bought my BB's some years ago, obviously things a different
now if that company is actually selling substandard product.
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I can't see anything on the vacuumtubes.com site that confirms what
you assert about the full circle holes in the shield indicating
Matsushita manufacture. Have you got a specific reference other than
http://www.vacuumtubes.com/6267.html ?
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Suggest you try this under Amperex http://www.vacuumtubes.com/12ax7.html
| Quote: | In fact they bunch all their Philips group Dutch tubes together at one
price, as I would expect.
They do repeat the canard about Gold Lion tubes having individual
test reports. Maybe some very early examples did but most have a
printed sample test sheet, identical in every box. The valves are
_identical_ in all respects to Genalex or any of the other M.O.
brands with similar dates.
best
Andy
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Mike Gilmour
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 7:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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"Mike Gilmour" <mike@tfjazz.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:X7ydnYxdwcK0OincRVn-rA@nildram.net...
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"Andy Cowley" <andy.cowley@uwe.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:I8B6yB.KG5@bath.ac.uk...
Mike Gilmour wrote:
Hi Andy,
Check vacuumtubes.com under Amperex tell then they are wrong ;-) Their
experiences have also been mine, good with Mullard & Holland produced
Bugle Boy's and not so the Matsushita.. DC is IMO also right in his
post which does not indicate merely average valves with changed print.
As DC also noted good BB's realise a high ebay price with good reason -
because they are that good in half way decent valve gear. I know
already that many different brands come out of the same factory and in
many cases it shows, however the difference between an average and a top
rate valve is not marginal. The anode was a mistype the previous post
mentioned plate, brainfade linked plate-anode...an angloamerican thingy
:-)
I can't see anything on the vacuumtubes.com site that confirms what
you assert about the full circle holes in the shield indicating
Matsushita manufacture. Have you got a specific reference other than
http://www.vacuumtubes.com/6267.html ?
Suggest you try this under Amperex http://www.vacuumtubes.com/12ax7.html
In fact they bunch all their Philips group Dutch tubes together at one
price, as I would expect.
They do repeat the canard about Gold Lion tubes having individual
test reports. Maybe some very early examples did but most have a
printed sample test sheet, identical in every box. The valves are
_identical_ in all respects to Genalex or any of the other M.O.
brands with similar dates.
best
Andy
Apologies Andy, now I've checked back I was referred to the 12ax7 however it |
is a caution...
Mike |
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Syl's Old Radioz
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:
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"firedome" a écrit dans le message de news:
Brian a bigot ?
You are totally devoid of any sense of humour buddy.
Besides, Brian is a vegetarian...=8^])
Syl |
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Brian McAllister
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Mon Dec 06, 2004 10:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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On 5 Dec 2004 18:42:58 -0800, firedome@sover.net (firedome) wrote:
Top poster!!!!
Perhaps you didn't see the smileys. I was merely tweaking Syl, a
French Canadian whom I like and admire. I do not subscribe to the
collectivist habit of ascribing general traits to all members of any
ethnic or national group.
Brian McAllister
Sarasota, Florida
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Andy Cowley
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:05 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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Mike Gilmour wrote:
| Quote: | "Andy Cowley" <andy.cowley@uwe.ac.uk> wrote in message
Bugle Boys are _no different_ to any other valves produced in the same
factory. No higher spec or extended testing or low noise or selected
for anything. If you can hear a difference between Bugle Boys and
Mullards or Philips from the same source then your ears are broken.
There are differences with date of production, but these apply to
all the factory's production.
Well if that is correct then I seem to have been extremely lucky with the
Holland NOS BB's I have already used, purchased a number of years ago now.
It makes choice much easy BB's, Mullards & Philips from the same source i.e.
Philips dutch group that are audibly identical. I will indeed compare and
listen...
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They are only different in what is silk screened on the outside. Even
the engraved id and date code can be the same.
"I see what the problem is. I was talking about EF86/6267, as was
the original poster. You are talking about ECC83/12AX7, a rather
different thing. "
Just read your second post so disregard the above.
The Philips group EF86 normally has a full circle
hole in the screening mesh wherever it was made. I'll check to
see if I have a Matsushita but I think mine are all from Harleen,
Blackburn and one of the Valvo plants.
There is a lot of superstition and mythology about Philips NOS
valves and brands. Basically there is more difference between
different dates of production than there is between factories
at the same time. The branding is irrelevant. I have many Philips
12AX7s (actually engraved with ECC83 id) branded with Baldwin,
RCA, Thomas etc. They are all identical to Amperex, Valvo or
Mullard of similar date/factory.
best
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TubeGarden
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Tue Dec 07, 2004 10:21 pm Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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Hi RATs!
OK, factory sounds real impressive, but, remember, most tube guts are
constructed by hand, by women.
And all the tubes from all the ladies get the same date code :)
Quality controls screen out the obvious losers, but, you have to listen to pick
(your) winners.
Happy Ears!
Al
Alan J. Marcy
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RdM
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Wed Dec 08, 2004 11:20 am Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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Andy Cowley <andy.cowley@uwe.ac.uk> in
rec.audio.tubes<I8D3Hn.6II@bath.ac.uk>:
< .. >
: >>I can't see anything on the vacuumtubes.com site that confirms what
: >>you assert about the full circle holes in the shield indicating
: >>Matsushita manufacture. Have you got a specific reference other than
: >>http://www.vacuumtubes.com/6267.html ?
< .. >
: The Philips group EF86 normally has a full circle
: hole in the screening mesh wherever it was made. I'll check to
: see if I have a Matsushita but I think mine are all from Harleen,
: Blackburn and one of the Valvo plants.
Well, my data points differ ... so I wonder what "normal" really is?
I have here:
Two Phillips Minwatt EF86 Made in GB, codes 1582 K4, and (unreadable,
may be 711) B9C, both with no holes in the (long) mesh screen, square
wire getter with two cross-bars at opposite side to single support wire;
Two Radiotron EF86 Made in UK long mesh screens, no holes, dimpled disk
getter with two support wires 180 deg apart, no date codes;
Two Matsushita 6267's with each two holes in short mesh screens, circle
wire getter with two supports 180 apart;
One Mullard Holland PF86 DK3 L41 same as above 6267.
One "Telefunken" PF86 Made in Germany DK4 L9E5 also as above (no <>!)
One believed Telefunken EF86 (silkscreen gone but has <>) with no mesh,
single hole. This one threw me because I thought all EF86's had mesh!
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Ruud Broens
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Sat Dec 18, 2004 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: Bugle Boy Tubes |
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"TubeGarden" <tubegarden@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20041207133008.21640.00001451@mb-m12.aol.com...
: Hi RATs!
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: OK, factory sounds real impressive, but, remember, most tube guts are
: constructed by hand, by women.
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: And all the tubes from all the ladies get the same date code :)
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: Quality controls screen out the obvious losers, but, you have to listen to
pick
: (your) winners.
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: Happy Ears!
: Al
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: Alan J. Marcy
: Phoenix, AZ
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: PWC/mystic/Earhead
You pick the lucky ladies by ear, eh ? ;)
Rudy |
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