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Hugh Fox
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

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George Gleason
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
Hugh Fox wrote:
Quote:
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195
for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the audix
vx-10
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Hugh Fox
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote in message news:<20041130174756.11588.00001441@mb-m29.aol.com>...
Quote:
What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

Sennheiser 800 series are pretty well liked.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

thanks for the replys,

i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

thanks again,
hugh.
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Ole Johansen
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic. Had a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

Ole



"Hugh Fox" <hugh_fox@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
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Quote:
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh
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George Gleason
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
Arny Krueger wrote:
Quote:
"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:gE4rd.1005466$Gx4.753110@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net

Hugh Fox wrote:

i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh


for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195


The CAD c195 differs from the OM3, Beta 95 and D-880 in being cardioid,
not hypercardioid.


for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the
audix vx-10


The VX-10 like the C195 seem to be out-of-place here because they are
cardioid, not hypercardioid like all the rest.



It is a good quality vocal mic and deserves a listen
and I believe you use several(or the previous version cad 95) and are
happy with them

g
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michael gaster
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
"Hugh Fox" <hugh_fox@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
news:884cca1f.0412010349.612b0b2e@posting.google.com...
Quote:

thanks for the replys,

i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

thanks again,
hugh.

I am a huge Audix fan here,any question to how they sound... I can send you
desk recordings from shows that sound as good as alot of studio stuff you
will hear...

also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...
email me

--
Michael Gaster
Live Performance Solutions Inc.
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John Halliburton
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
"Ole Johansen" <ole@lydcompaniet.no> wrote in message
news:cok2vm$25c$1@news.tdcnorge.no...
Quote:
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic. Had
a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a
direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.

Best regards,

John Halliburton
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Mike T.
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
On 1 Dec 2004 03:49:55 -0800, hugh_fox@linuxmail.org (Hugh Fox) wrote:

Quote:
blindjoni@aol.com (Blind Joni) wrote in message news:<20041130174756.11588.00001441@mb-m29.aol.com>...
What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

Sennheiser 800 series are pretty well liked.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

thanks for the replys,

i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

thanks again,
hugh.

I'm a sound tech, not a singer, and I work mostly smaller shows with
monitor wedges. Few of my performers have in-ear monitors.

Given a choice between the Beta58 and the OM-3xb, I would use the
Audix almost every time because of its better monitor rejection (gain
before feedback). It also has a less pronounced bump at 5K, a smoother
high end, and slightly less pronounced proximity effect with a
smoother low end. I could say the same for the Sennheiser e835 and
e845, and the AKG D880.

There are a few voices, mostly tenor rock 'n roll vocals that need to
cut through a dense guitar mix, that might benefit from the Beta58.
However, to my ears, most voices sound screechy on the Beta58.

Mike T.
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Arny Krueger
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:12 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
"George Gleason" <g.p.gleason@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:gE4rd.1005466$Gx4.753110@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net
Quote:
Hugh Fox wrote:
i am looking to spend money, want to get a slightly sharper mic for
live vocal use. i have heard the Beta 58 and understand why people
might not like it. What are the other options apart from shure and
audix.
cheers,
Hugh

for less money there is the aKG d-880 and the CAD 195

The CAD c195 differs from the OM3, Beta 95 and D-880 in being cardioid,
not hypercardioid.

Quote:
for more money try a Beyer m88 sennheiser 865 Neumann 105 and the
audix vx-10

The VX-10 like the C195 seem to be out-of-place here because they are
cardioid, not hypercardioid like all the rest.
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Tim Padrick
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
"John Halliburton" <j_challiburton@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:9Gkrd.35371$Qv5.16102@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:

"Ole Johansen" <ole@lydcompaniet.no> wrote in message
news:cok2vm$25c$1@news.tdcnorge.no...
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic.
Had
a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a
direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.

Best regards,

John Halliburton


I also use the OM7. You can usually get them used on eBay or from RatSound
(or maybe Mr. Gaster?) for $125 to $150. Being a comparatively neutral mic,
I find that they work well on voices of all types.

I had a couple of OM5s for a while. They have nasties just as the SM and
Beta do, they are just different nasties. I've never use an OM3, so I
cannot comment. Other have said that they are more colored but cleaner than
the OM5.

The Sennheiser E835 is a nice mic for little money ($200 for three), an the
845 is good as well. I think I'd take either over a Beta 58.

The VX10 and the KMS105 are very nice (although very different, with their
own good qualities), but they require a lot of stage volume disipline.
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Blind Joni
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:12 am    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
Quote:
it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58

The mic choice should depend on the voice. I find that singers with a gravely
or rough tone are better served by a condensor or more "hifi" sounding mic..and
the 58 and B58 seem to not be the good choice as they accentuate the upper
midrange and sound "blaring" to my ears.
I personally prefer Audix mics for almost any application over a B52, B56, 57,
58,B57, B58 or a B87...just sounds better for my tastes.
YMMV.



John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637
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michael gaster
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
"Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Quote:

"John Halliburton" <j_challiburton@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:9Gkrd.35371$Qv5.16102@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...

"Ole Johansen" <ole@lydcompaniet.no> wrote in message
news:cok2vm$25c$1@news.tdcnorge.no...
Personally I'm a big Audix fan and have a few om 3's..... Killer mic.
Had
a
gig with a customer who had just bought the Beta 58 elsewhere. Did a
direct
AB test with the EQ flat. The Audix won hands down. You don't have to
do
much EQ'ing with the audix. It sounds great out of the box.......

My conclusions exactly. I own a pair of OM7 mics, and the difference in
just how the voice sounds more like the person using it was instantaneous
when I first hooked one up.

Best regards,

John Halliburton


I also use the OM7. You can usually get them used on eBay or from
RatSound
(or maybe Mr. Gaster?) for $125 to $150. Being a comparatively neutral
mic,
I find that they work well on voices of all types.

I had a couple of OM5s for a while. They have nasties just as the SM and
Beta do, they are just different nasties. I've never use an OM3, so I
cannot comment. Other have said that they are more colored but cleaner
than
the OM5.

The Sennheiser E835 is a nice mic for little money ($200 for three), an
the
845 is good as well. I think I'd take either over a Beta 58.

The VX10 and the KMS105 are very nice (although very different, with their
own good qualities), but they require a lot of stage volume disipline.


they have revised the VX-10 so its not so sensative, and for current VX-10
users you can send your mic back and they will change/upgrade it to the new
lower sens rating.
--
Michael Gaster
Live Performance Solutions Inc.
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hank alrich
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
Hugh Fox wrote:

Quote:
i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

Given that choice I would buy the OM3 in a heartbeat.
--
ha
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hank alrich
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
michael gaster wrote:

Quote:
"Hugh Fox" wrote...

<snipitty doo dah>

Quote:
i heard a beta 58 being used

<snipitty yay>

Quote:
also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...

OM3 is usable; OM5 is much better. If one could get the OM5 for the
price of an OM3, go for it. (Michael is a reputable guy, and his offer
is genuine.)

--
ha
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Ty Ford
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: audix om3 v's shure beta 58 Reply with quote
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:40:53 -0500, michael gaster wrote
(in article <zjnrd.8701$Dm2.3173@bignews1.bellsouth.net>):

Quote:
"Hugh Fox" <hugh_fox@linuxmail.org> wrote in message
news:884cca1f.0412010349.612b0b2e@posting.google.com...

thanks for the replys,

i heard a beta 58 being used on male vocals a few weeks ago and it
appeared to have a more defined bottom and top end than an ordinary
sm58 allowing the vocal to sit on top of the mix that bit more. it
opened my ears to the fact that their may be life beyond the sm58 for
live vocal use. i was looking at buying something around the beta 58
price range and for the same money there is the audix om3, don't think
i would get the chance to review either so i am looking for guidance,

thanks again,
hugh.

I am a huge Audix fan here,any question to how they sound... I can send you
desk recordings from shows that sound as good as alot of studio stuff you
will hear...

also what kind of price on the OM-3 and on the B58 have you found??? I can
probably help you out. and get you in to an OM-5 for the same money... a
matter a fact I have 2 OM-5's here that have probably 12 hours on them...
email me



Has anyone in this thread tried an Audio Technica AE5400? It's a handheld
condenser with pad and rolloff. A pretty amazing mic for my ears. Not too
many people have heard about it. The local GC is clueless, but when I had it
here I was very impressed. Beat a KMS105 in close micing.

Regards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com
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