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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:06:38 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks tp. Now I am a bit puzzled and frustrated.
I'm using the same burner with the same firmware version. I too am using
Ridata 8X disks from 2 different sources (Newegg and Meritline), as well as
Nero software (the latest version).
It would thus appear that we have essentially identical situations.
I cannot write to these disks (or any other 8X disks) at speeds greater than
8X except for the Piodata brand, and the Piodata only write at 12X for a
small fraction of the total burn. Thus my Ridata 8X disks require 8 minutes
and 15 seconds typically, and the Piodata take about 7 mins and 30 seconds.
I have NEVER seen a disk finish in 6 min 12 seconds..........
I either have a bad burner, different Ridata disks, or some subtle hardware
or software issue. I am not terribly concerned about adding another 70
seconds to each burn but I am truly curious to know why I can't get 12X
recording. Even though the disks are rated at 8X, many people report 12X
burns on the Newegg forum / review of the specific G05 blanks I purchased,
and this was, in fact, one of several reasons why I bought a second batch
from them (my first batch came from Meritline).
I do have my drive connected on a Firewire connection, which theoretically
is operating well below its' bandwidth limit. Perhaps an IDE connection
might bring up the speed? I also wonder if true UDMA support exists when a
device is connected as a serial / Firewire device. This may be a bottleneck
that I was unaware of.
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Ah, firewire drive in a ext case will slow this down to 8x or slower.
Data rate required to burn at 12x won't push through at a constant
rate via a external drive.
Put it in the pc on the ide cable and then watch how fast it takes.
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Thanks again for your input. I certainly would welcome other people's
experiences and inputs using G05 Riteks with the A08 burner.
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Get the ridata ones. The ritek ones that have no ridata on them maybe
a lesser quality disc.
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Smarty
"tp" <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41adf3e6.59140@news-server...
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:39:53 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
Are you using factory firmware (1.14) or a hacked version?
I use the pioneer firmware 1.14 which I downloaded from the pioneer
web site.
Hacked versions allow the burner to write faster, but may produce bad
burns.
I've purchased 6y different types of 8X media, and none of them burns at
12X
or higher on my A08 Pioneer except for the Piodata 8X, which only reaches
12X for a short period of time. The 8X burns take about 8 minutes 20
seconds
total elapsed time for a full disk.
Orion dvd-r 8x or ridata 8x will burn at 12x on my pioneer a08 drive.
Software nero 6.3
Also.......some burning software mistakenly shows the wrong burning speed
when the drive is actually burning at a slower speed.Two of my burning
programs shows 12X when in fact they are achieving 8X. You can use Nero's
test program Nero CD-DVD Speed, and you will see what the true performance
of the drive is in each of its' zones.
If you are truly burning at 12X your disks should be taking 7 minutes or
less. Are they?
I burn a 4.4gb disc in 6 minutes 12 seconds.
If I set it to 8x in nero 6.3 it takes 8 minutes 10 seconds.
I buy my media from salesmart out in West Aust.
www.salesmart.com.au
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Smarty
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:50 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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Well thank you again tp. I've made a bit more progress.
I moved the Pioneer A08 into the computer case as an IDE drive, configured
as a Master with UDMA (Mode 4) showing up on the controller. The results of
the latest burns are quite interesting:
The drive is, indeed, faster. The total time to burn the 8X disks now is in
the 6 minute and 30 second range for the Ridata G05 disks. It does not
appear to matter whether I use the disks labeled Ridata (from Newegg) or are
unlabelled by sold as Ritek Ridata brand disks by Meritline. The other
brands are slightly slower, 6 mins and 55 seconds or so.
As I watch the burns take place using Nero's CD-DVD Test program, all of the
disks do the first zone at 6X (up to a few hundred megabytes), then do the
second zone at 8X (up to 1.9 GB), the third zone at 12X (up to around 4 GB)
and then only the Riteks finish at 12X in the final zone. The lesser disks
fall back to 8X in the fourth zone. The result is that the fastest Riteks
now burn at 12X from 1.9 GB to the end of the disk, resulting in an average
across the entire disk of 10.0X.
This is a very acceptable result for me, and saves 60 - 90 seconds or more
over my prior Firewire configuration. I assume that I now seeing the
physical limits of the media, and thus cannot push 12X speeds in the first
1.9 GB.
All considered I am going to leave the A08 inside the computer case. In the
past I have kept the burners in external cases, specifically to reduce heat,
dust, and vibration / noise unless I am actually using them. This is perhaps
why my very old and heavily used A03 and A05 drives have never failed.
I need to go back and look at the test data from other reviewers to see if I
have typical speed performance at this point. I also am puzzled by the fact
that a 400 Mb/sec interface (50 megabytes per second) really cannot support
a 16 Mbyte/sec sustained rate. When it was connected as a Firewire drive, it
would do some of the disk at 12X so it apparently has some ability to
sustain the rate required.
Thanks again for your guidance.
Smarty
"tp" <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41ae9e25.352671@news-server...
| Quote: | On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:06:38 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
Thanks tp. Now I am a bit puzzled and frustrated.
I'm using the same burner with the same firmware version. I too am using
Ridata 8X disks from 2 different sources (Newegg and Meritline), as well
as
Nero software (the latest version).
It would thus appear that we have essentially identical situations.
I cannot write to these disks (or any other 8X disks) at speeds greater
than
8X except for the Piodata brand, and the Piodata only write at 12X for a
small fraction of the total burn. Thus my Ridata 8X disks require 8
minutes
and 15 seconds typically, and the Piodata take about 7 mins and 30
seconds.
I have NEVER seen a disk finish in 6 min 12 seconds..........
I either have a bad burner, different Ridata disks, or some subtle
hardware
or software issue. I am not terribly concerned about adding another 70
seconds to each burn but I am truly curious to know why I can't get 12X
recording. Even though the disks are rated at 8X, many people report 12X
burns on the Newegg forum / review of the specific G05 blanks I purchased,
and this was, in fact, one of several reasons why I bought a second batch
from them (my first batch came from Meritline).
I do have my drive connected on a Firewire connection, which theoretically
is operating well below its' bandwidth limit. Perhaps an IDE connection
might bring up the speed? I also wonder if true UDMA support exists when a
device is connected as a serial / Firewire device. This may be a
bottleneck
that I was unaware of.
Ah, firewire drive in a ext case will slow this down to 8x or slower.
Data rate required to burn at 12x won't push through at a constant
rate via a external drive.
Put it in the pc on the ide cable and then watch how fast it takes.
Thanks again for your input. I certainly would welcome other people's
experiences and inputs using G05 Riteks with the A08 burner.
Get the ridata ones. The ritek ones that have no ridata on them maybe
a lesser quality disc.
Smarty
"tp" <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41adf3e6.59140@news-server...
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:39:53 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
Are you using factory firmware (1.14) or a hacked version?
I use the pioneer firmware 1.14 which I downloaded from the pioneer
web site.
Hacked versions allow the burner to write faster, but may produce bad
burns.
I've purchased 6y different types of 8X media, and none of them burns at
12X
or higher on my A08 Pioneer except for the Piodata 8X, which only
reaches
12X for a short period of time. The 8X burns take about 8 minutes 20
seconds
total elapsed time for a full disk.
Orion dvd-r 8x or ridata 8x will burn at 12x on my pioneer a08 drive.
Software nero 6.3
Also.......some burning software mistakenly shows the wrong burning
speed
when the drive is actually burning at a slower speed.Two of my burning
programs shows 12X when in fact they are achieving 8X. You can use
Nero's
test program Nero CD-DVD Speed, and you will see what the true
performance
of the drive is in each of its' zones.
If you are truly burning at 12X your disks should be taking 7 minutes or
less. Are they?
I burn a 4.4gb disc in 6 minutes 12 seconds.
If I set it to 8x in nero 6.3 it takes 8 minutes 10 seconds.
I buy my media from salesmart out in West Aust.
www.salesmart.com.au
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