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Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:04 am Post subject:
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Hello,
Does the speed of the DVD-R burn affect it's quality at all? A client
asked me if he should get decent 4X or 8X discs for his LiteOn 1213S
internal DVD burner? I tried to Google for him but couldn't find a
definitive answer...
thanks!
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Tue Nov 30, 2004 6:04 am Post subject:
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The faster the burn, the more difficult it is for the laser to form a
precise spot and the disc's dye to undergo the proper phase change. Thus,
all things being equal, a slower burn should result in a higher quality disk
which should play with greater compatibility and fewer problems.
Realistically, all things are seldom if ever equal, and there are vast
differences in burners, disk media, burning software, DVD players, etc. and
thus some 8X disks will be vastly superior to other 4X disks, for example.
If your client's LiteOn drive has a maximum speed rating of 8X, then I would
guess that it burns 4X disks of higher quality than it burns 8X disks, so 4X
is a safer choice. If, on the other hand, it is a 16X burner, then 4X or 8X
disks may not differ very much. If you want really accurate and definitive
data for a specific burner at different speeds with different media, you
could try looking at cdrlabs.com or cdrinfo.com, which are 2 sites which
evaluate drive and media performances to see if the specific Liteon drive
has been tested. Another technique would be to run Nero's free test program
Nero CD-DVD Speed to get an idea of how the various media choices compare.
Smarty
<skydigger123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hello,
Does the speed of the DVD-R burn affect it's quality at all? A client
asked me if he should get decent 4X or 8X discs for his LiteOn 1213S
internal DVD burner? I tried to Google for him but couldn't find a
definitive answer...
thanks!
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tp
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:09:04 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | The faster the burn, the more difficult it is for the laser to form a
precise spot and the disc's dye to undergo the proper phase change. Thus,
all things being equal, a slower burn should result in a higher quality disk
which should play with greater compatibility and fewer problems.
Realistically, all things are seldom if ever equal, and there are vast
differences in burners, disk media, burning software, DVD players, etc. and
thus some 8X disks will be vastly superior to other 4X disks, for example.
If your client's LiteOn drive has a maximum speed rating of 8X, then I would
guess that it burns 4X disks of higher quality than it burns 8X disks, so 4X
is a safer choice. If, on the other hand, it is a 16X burner, then 4X or 8X
disks may not differ very much. If you want really accurate and definitive
data for a specific burner at different speeds with different media, you
could try looking at cdrlabs.com or cdrinfo.com, which are 2 sites which
evaluate drive and media performances to see if the specific Liteon drive
has been tested. Another technique would be to run Nero's free test program
Nero CD-DVD Speed to get an idea of how the various media choices compare.
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I find I can burn at 12x on ridata or orion 8x and never had a dud
burn. Maybe you chaps use crappy media or have crappy recorders.
I use a pioneer a08 drive and burn faster than the media is set to
record at. Never had a crap burn using the better brand media.
However if I use princo then I di get failed burns. |
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tp
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:39:53 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Are you using factory firmware (1.14) or a hacked version?
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I use the pioneer firmware 1.14 which I downloaded from the pioneer
web site.
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Hacked versions allow the burner to write faster, but may produce bad burns.
I've purchased 6y different types of 8X media, and none of them burns at 12X
or higher on my A08 Pioneer except for the Piodata 8X, which only reaches
12X for a short period of time. The 8X burns take about 8 minutes 20 seconds
total elapsed time for a full disk.
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Orion dvd-r 8x or ridata 8x will burn at 12x on my pioneer a08 drive.
Software nero 6.3
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Also.......some burning software mistakenly shows the wrong burning speed
when the drive is actually burning at a slower speed.Two of my burning
programs shows 12X when in fact they are achieving 8X. You can use Nero's
test program Nero CD-DVD Speed, and you will see what the true performance
of the drive is in each of its' zones.
If you are truly burning at 12X your disks should be taking 7 minutes or
less. Are they?
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I burn a 4.4gb disc in 6 minutes 12 seconds.
If I set it to 8x in nero 6.3 it takes 8 minutes 10 seconds.
I buy my media from salesmart out in West Aust.
www.salesmart.com.au |
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Smarty
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 6:02 pm Post subject:
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Are you using factory firmware (1.14) or a hacked version?
Hacked versions allow the burner to write faster, but may produce bad burns.
I've purchased 6y different types of 8X media, and none of them burns at 12X
or higher on my A08 Pioneer except for the Piodata 8X, which only reaches
12X for a short period of time. The 8X burns take about 8 minutes 20 seconds
total elapsed time for a full disk.
Also.......some burning software mistakenly shows the wrong burning speed
when the drive is actually burning at a slower speed.Two of my burning
programs shows 12X when in fact they are achieving 8X. You can use Nero's
test program Nero CD-DVD Speed, and you will see what the true performance
of the drive is in each of its' zones.
If you are truly burning at 12X your disks should be taking 7 minutes or
less. Are they?
Smarty
"tp" <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41adde6b.8283953@news-server...
| Quote: | On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:09:04 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com
wrote:
The faster the burn, the more difficult it is for the laser to form a
precise spot and the disc's dye to undergo the proper phase change. Thus,
all things being equal, a slower burn should result in a higher quality
disk
which should play with greater compatibility and fewer problems.
Realistically, all things are seldom if ever equal, and there are vast
differences in burners, disk media, burning software, DVD players, etc.
and
thus some 8X disks will be vastly superior to other 4X disks, for example.
If your client's LiteOn drive has a maximum speed rating of 8X, then I
would
guess that it burns 4X disks of higher quality than it burns 8X disks, so
4X
is a safer choice. If, on the other hand, it is a 16X burner, then 4X or
8X
disks may not differ very much. If you want really accurate and definitive
data for a specific burner at different speeds with different media, you
could try looking at cdrlabs.com or cdrinfo.com, which are 2 sites which
evaluate drive and media performances to see if the specific Liteon drive
has been tested. Another technique would be to run Nero's free test
program
Nero CD-DVD Speed to get an idea of how the various media choices compare.
I find I can burn at 12x on ridata or orion 8x and never had a dud
burn. Maybe you chaps use crappy media or have crappy recorders.
I use a pioneer a08 drive and burn faster than the media is set to
record at. Never had a crap burn using the better brand media.
However if I use princo then I di get failed burns.
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Troy
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Wed Dec 01, 2004 11:26 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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Just because your fast burn is successfull dosen't mean its as good a burn
as it could be.High speed burning can affect the playability from one DVD
player to the next.
tp <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41adde6b.8283953@news-server...
| Quote: | On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:09:04 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com
wrote:
The faster the burn, the more difficult it is for the laser to form a
precise spot and the disc's dye to undergo the proper phase change. Thus,
all things being equal, a slower burn should result in a higher quality
disk
which should play with greater compatibility and fewer problems.
Realistically, all things are seldom if ever equal, and there are vast
differences in burners, disk media, burning software, DVD players, etc.
and
thus some 8X disks will be vastly superior to other 4X disks, for
example.
If your client's LiteOn drive has a maximum speed rating of 8X, then I
would
guess that it burns 4X disks of higher quality than it burns 8X disks, so
4X
is a safer choice. If, on the other hand, it is a 16X burner, then 4X or
8X
disks may not differ very much. If you want really accurate and
definitive
data for a specific burner at different speeds with different media, you
could try looking at cdrlabs.com or cdrinfo.com, which are 2 sites which
evaluate drive and media performances to see if the specific Liteon drive
has been tested. Another technique would be to run Nero's free test
program
Nero CD-DVD Speed to get an idea of how the various media choices
compare.
I find I can burn at 12x on ridata or orion 8x and never had a dud
burn. Maybe you chaps use crappy media or have crappy recorders.
I use a pioneer a08 drive and burn faster than the media is set to
record at. Never had a crap burn using the better brand media.
However if I use princo then I di get failed burns.
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:01 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R Burning Speed affect quality? |
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Thanks for the response! My last question is in regards to Alcohol
120% I think it's called. Apparently sometimes (with the LiteOn drive
using good quality Memorex and Sony DVD-R's with the latest firmware)
Alcohol waits anywhere between 3 to 10 minutes before starting to burn
the image.
They turn out okay and work and all, but he's just wondering why
sometimes with the same spindle of discs it's erratic in the length of
time it starts?
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:09:04 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | The faster the burn, the more difficult it is for the laser to form a
precise spot and the disc's dye to undergo the proper phase change. Thus,
all things being equal, a slower burn should result in a higher quality disk
which should play with greater compatibility and fewer problems.
Realistically, all things are seldom if ever equal, and there are vast
differences in burners, disk media, burning software, DVD players, etc. and
thus some 8X disks will be vastly superior to other 4X disks, for example.
If your client's LiteOn drive has a maximum speed rating of 8X, then I would
guess that it burns 4X disks of higher quality than it burns 8X disks, so 4X
is a safer choice. If, on the other hand, it is a 16X burner, then 4X or 8X
disks may not differ very much. If you want really accurate and definitive
data for a specific burner at different speeds with different media, you
could try looking at cdrlabs.com or cdrinfo.com, which are 2 sites which
evaluate drive and media performances to see if the specific Liteon drive
has been tested. Another technique would be to run Nero's free test program
Nero CD-DVD Speed to get an idea of how the various media choices compare.
Smarty
skydigger123@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hello,
Does the speed of the DVD-R burn affect it's quality at all? A client
asked me if he should get decent 4X or 8X discs for his LiteOn 1213S
internal DVD burner? I tried to Google for him but couldn't find a
definitive answer...
thanks!
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Smarty
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:01 am Post subject:
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Thanks tp. Now I am a bit puzzled and frustrated.
I'm using the same burner with the same firmware version. I too am using
Ridata 8X disks from 2 different sources (Newegg and Meritline), as well as
Nero software (the latest version).
It would thus appear that we have essentially identical situations.
I cannot write to these disks (or any other 8X disks) at speeds greater than
8X except for the Piodata brand, and the Piodata only write at 12X for a
small fraction of the total burn. Thus my Ridata 8X disks require 8 minutes
and 15 seconds typically, and the Piodata take about 7 mins and 30 seconds.
I have NEVER seen a disk finish in 6 min 12 seconds..........
I either have a bad burner, different Ridata disks, or some subtle hardware
or software issue. I am not terribly concerned about adding another 70
seconds to each burn but I am truly curious to know why I can't get 12X
recording. Even though the disks are rated at 8X, many people report 12X
burns on the Newegg forum / review of the specific G05 blanks I purchased,
and this was, in fact, one of several reasons why I bought a second batch
from them (my first batch came from Meritline).
I do have my drive connected on a Firewire connection, which theoretically
is operating well below its' bandwidth limit. Perhaps an IDE connection
might bring up the speed? I also wonder if true UDMA support exists when a
device is connected as a serial / Firewire device. This may be a bottleneck
that I was unaware of.
Thanks again for your input. I certainly would welcome other people's
experiences and inputs using G05 Riteks with the A08 burner.
Smarty
"tp" <tp@nowhere.com> wrote in message news:41adf3e6.59140@news-server...
| Quote: | On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:39:53 -0500, "Smarty" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote:
Are you using factory firmware (1.14) or a hacked version?
I use the pioneer firmware 1.14 which I downloaded from the pioneer
web site.
Hacked versions allow the burner to write faster, but may produce bad
burns.
I've purchased 6y different types of 8X media, and none of them burns at
12X
or higher on my A08 Pioneer except for the Piodata 8X, which only reaches
12X for a short period of time. The 8X burns take about 8 minutes 20
seconds
total elapsed time for a full disk.
Orion dvd-r 8x or ridata 8x will burn at 12x on my pioneer a08 drive.
Software nero 6.3
Also.......some burning software mistakenly shows the wrong burning speed
when the drive is actually burning at a slower speed.Two of my burning
programs shows 12X when in fact they are achieving 8X. You can use Nero's
test program Nero CD-DVD Speed, and you will see what the true performance
of the drive is in each of its' zones.
If you are truly burning at 12X your disks should be taking 7 minutes or
less. Are they?
I burn a 4.4gb disc in 6 minutes 12 seconds.
If I set it to 8x in nero 6.3 it takes 8 minutes 10 seconds.
I buy my media from salesmart out in West Aust.
www.salesmart.com.au
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 12:01 am Post subject:
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I burned several DVD+Rs at 16x. Most of them play well in the TV's
DVD player. Some seem to have errors and show visual disturbances in
the movie in short bursts. Sometimes the computer DVD drive won't
have any trouble in the same section, but sometimes does. Anyone have
16x trouble. Maybe I'll try 8x next time.
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tm <tm@nospam.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The dvd reordable site has trested 16x burning on 8x media and found
that it only gets up to 16x in the last 200meg and the errors are in
this 200meg. The pioneer a08 and 108 drives are not really 16x
burners, they onl;y get to 16x in the last 200meg when the drive slows
down or stops for a few seconds then gains speed to 16x which is why
they are called a 16x burner. Really though they are a 12x burner. The
ones that burn at 16x are slower than 12x because when it hits the
last 200meg the unit pauses before burning faster and this is where
there are errors.
Wait for the pioneer a09 which will be true 16x.
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The errors were near the end of the DVD playing time. The disks were
+R 16x Verbatims.
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:36:17 GMT, Tim923 <juggler923@verizon.net>
wrote:
| Quote: | I burned several DVD+Rs at 16x. Most of them play well in the TV's
DVD player. Some seem to have errors and show visual disturbances in
the movie in short bursts. Sometimes the computer DVD drive won't
have any trouble in the same section, but sometimes does. Anyone have
16x trouble. Maybe I'll try 8x next time.
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The dvd reordable site has trested 16x burning on 8x media and found
that it only gets up to 16x in the last 200meg and the errors are in
this 200meg. The pioneer a08 and 108 drives are not really 16x
burners, they onl;y get to 16x in the last 200meg when the drive slows
down or stops for a few seconds then gains speed to 16x which is why
they are called a 16x burner. Really though they are a 12x burner. The
ones that burn at 16x are slower than 12x because when it hits the
last 200meg the unit pauses before burning faster and this is where
there are errors.
Wait for the pioneer a09 which will be true 16x. |
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:01 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:26:47 GMT, "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca>
wrote:
| Quote: | Just because your fast burn is successfull dosen't mean its as good a burn
as it could be.High speed burning can affect the playability from one DVD
player to the next.
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I am another that burns at 12x. I do authoring work and use them in
towers. I often set it at 12x. Been doing that since the pioneer 108
came out. No ones come back to complain that their dvd videos don't
work. Only get repeat customers wanting more of their home videos
transferred to dvd. By burning faster this saves time at the end of
the day. Get a third of my work done because I am burning 4x faster.
In my 6 pc dvd burners I use nero 6.3
Firmware is pioneer 1.14
The stand alone towers all i do is put the discs in and it uses its
internal hard drive to burn.
I never burn on the fly which so many do and wonder why they have
problems.
I don't buy on the cheap when it comes to media. Get what you pay for
when it comes to media. Some discs are too cheap to be true and often
are because of most are failing then that istime wasted, time is money
and at the end of theday the cheapest media becomes themost expensive
media because most fail. |
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Troy
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
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OK..you have found 12X works for your set up.So why don't you burn at 16X?
tm <tm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:26:47 GMT, "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca
wrote:
Just because your fast burn is successfull dosen't mean its as good a
burn
as it could be.High speed burning can affect the playability from one DVD
player to the next.
I am another that burns at 12x. I do authoring work and use them in
towers. I often set it at 12x. Been doing that since the pioneer 108
came out. No ones come back to complain that their dvd videos don't
work. Only get repeat customers wanting more of their home videos
transferred to dvd. By burning faster this saves time at the end of
the day. Get a third of my work done because I am burning 4x faster.
In my 6 pc dvd burners I use nero 6.3
Firmware is pioneer 1.14
The stand alone towers all i do is put the discs in and it uses its
internal hard drive to burn.
I never burn on the fly which so many do and wonder why they have
problems.
I don't buy on the cheap when it comes to media. Get what you pay for
when it comes to media. Some discs are too cheap to be true and often
are because of most are failing then that istime wasted, time is money
and at the end of theday the cheapest media becomes themost expensive
media because most fail.
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Troy
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
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When will the 109 be available,any idea?
tm <tm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:36:17 GMT, Tim923 <juggler923@verizon.net
wrote:
I burned several DVD+Rs at 16x. Most of them play well in the TV's
DVD player. Some seem to have errors and show visual disturbances in
the movie in short bursts. Sometimes the computer DVD drive won't
have any trouble in the same section, but sometimes does. Anyone have
16x trouble. Maybe I'll try 8x next time.
The dvd reordable site has trested 16x burning on 8x media and found
that it only gets up to 16x in the last 200meg and the errors are in
this 200meg. The pioneer a08 and 108 drives are not really 16x
burners, they onl;y get to 16x in the last 200meg when the drive slows
down or stops for a few seconds then gains speed to 16x which is why
they are called a 16x burner. Really though they are a 12x burner. The
ones that burn at 16x are slower than 12x because when it hits the
last 200meg the unit pauses before burning faster and this is where
there are errors.
Wait for the pioneer a09 which will be true 16x.
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Troy
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Thu Dec 02, 2004 6:02 am Post subject:
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Reading your other post awnsered this question.....Thanks
Troy <alternate-root@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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| Quote: | OK..you have found 12X works for your set up.So why don't you burn at 16X?
tm <tm@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:26:47 GMT, "Troy" <alternate-root@shaw.ca
wrote:
Just because your fast burn is successfull dosen't mean its as good a
burn
as it could be.High speed burning can affect the playability from one
DVD
player to the next.
I am another that burns at 12x. I do authoring work and use them in
towers. I often set it at 12x. Been doing that since the pioneer 108
came out. No ones come back to complain that their dvd videos don't
work. Only get repeat customers wanting more of their home videos
transferred to dvd. By burning faster this saves time at the end of
the day. Get a third of my work done because I am burning 4x faster.
In my 6 pc dvd burners I use nero 6.3
Firmware is pioneer 1.14
The stand alone towers all i do is put the discs in and it uses its
internal hard drive to burn.
I never burn on the fly which so many do and wonder why they have
problems.
I don't buy on the cheap when it comes to media. Get what you pay for
when it comes to media. Some discs are too cheap to be true and often
are because of most are failing then that istime wasted, time is money
and at the end of theday the cheapest media becomes themost expensive
media because most fail.
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