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jerryv
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:19 am Post subject:
Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:26 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
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Of course there are dual layer DVD+R discs from Verbatim that can be written
by PC drives such as the Pioneer A08 series. I have found the video
compatability of these to hover around 48%, a value confirmed by more formal
studies (you can google this). The discs have remained in the ca. $13 range
each for seven months. I have therefore rejected the format when an until
it becomes readily available at a reasonable price and more players are
completely compatible with it.
There are no dual layer rewritables at all, and I have read of no one even
attempting to develop it. It would be *really* a problem on a number of
technical levels.
Blu Ray is available in Japan at huge prices. HD DVD is still in the final
development phase. Most industry watchers expect these to be prohibitively
expensive well into 2006, and uncertain in acceptance, since Blu Ray discs
will not play on current DVD players at all.
If you are willing to sacrafice quality, you can place more than 2 hours on
a current DVDR. |
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MCheu
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:56 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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On 23 Oct 2004 14:19:55 -0700, jerryv@bellatlantic.net (jerryv) wrote:
| Quote: | I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
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Depends on the encoding quality you want and what format you want to
store on those discs.
A single layer rewriteable is 4.3 Gigs. That's enough for 1.5 to 2
hrs of DVD quality audio+video in DVD-video format, or 4hours of VHS
quality video in DVD-video format, lowering the bitrate on the audio
as well can squeeze a few extra minutes here and there too, but not
much.
If you burn a data DVD with the video encoded as DIVX, you might be
able to store as much as 6-8 hours of video depending on choices for
the video and audio stream encoding quality.
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Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
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Don't know, what to take a guess? It would probably be about as
accurate as anyone else's.
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MCheu |
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:10 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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luminos wrote:
| Quote: | "jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm
waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
Of course there are dual layer DVD+R discs from Verbatim that can be
written
by PC drives such as the Pioneer A08 series. I have found the video
compatability of these to hover around 48%, a value confirmed by more
formal
studies (you can google this). The discs have remained in the ca.
$13 range
each for seven months. I have therefore rejected the format when
an until
it becomes readily available at a reasonable price and more players
are
completely compatible with it.
There are no dual layer rewritables at all, and I have read of no one
even
attempting to develop it. It would be *really* a problem on a number
of
technical levels.
Blu Ray is available in Japan at huge prices. HD DVD is still in the
final
development phase. Most industry watchers expect these to be
prohibitively
expensive well into 2006, and uncertain in acceptance, since Blu Ray
discs
will not play on current DVD players at all.
If you are willing to sacrafice quality, you can place more than 2
hours on
a current DVDR. |
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Guest
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:20 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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I thought dual layer rewritables were on the horizon and will be
released in the near term? Aren't they already being released in other
countries (eg, Philips in UK)???
luminos wrote:
| Quote: | "jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm
waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
Of course there are dual layer DVD+R discs from Verbatim that can be
written
by PC drives such as the Pioneer A08 series. I have found the video
compatability of these to hover around 48%, a value confirmed by more
formal
studies (you can google this). The discs have remained in the ca.
$13 range
each for seven months. I have therefore rejected the format when
an until
it becomes readily available at a reasonable price and more players
are
completely compatible with it.
There are no dual layer rewritables at all, and I have read of no one
even
attempting to develop it. It would be *really* a problem on a number
of
technical levels.
Blu Ray is available in Japan at huge prices. HD DVD is still in the
final
development phase. Most industry watchers expect these to be
prohibitively
expensive well into 2006, and uncertain in acceptance, since Blu Ray
discs
will not play on current DVD players at all.
If you are willing to sacrafice quality, you can place more than 2
hours on
a current DVDR. |
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:38 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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I did an extensive search on the topic...perhaps you have a URL?
<jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:1098573627.885152.150870@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | I thought dual layer rewritables were on the horizon and will be
released in the near term? Aren't they already being released in other
countries (eg, Philips in UK)???
luminos wrote:
"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm
waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
Of course there are dual layer DVD+R discs from Verbatim that can be
written
by PC drives such as the Pioneer A08 series. I have found the video
compatability of these to hover around 48%, a value confirmed by more
formal
studies (you can google this). The discs have remained in the ca.
$13 range
each for seven months. I have therefore rejected the format when
an until
it becomes readily available at a reasonable price and more players
are
completely compatible with it.
There are no dual layer rewritables at all, and I have read of no one
even
attempting to develop it. It would be *really* a problem on a number
of
technical levels.
Blu Ray is available in Japan at huge prices. HD DVD is still in the
final
development phase. Most industry watchers expect these to be
prohibitively
expensive well into 2006, and uncertain in acceptance, since Blu Ray
discs
will not play on current DVD players at all.
If you are willing to sacrafice quality, you can place more than 2
hours on
a current DVDR.
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:42 am Post subject:
Re: Availability of Dual Layer Recorders in US??? |
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<jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I thought dual layer rewritables were on the horizon and will be
released in the near term? Aren't they already being released in other
countries (eg, Philips in UK)???
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You are confused or mistaken. The answer is NO. |
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Fred At Home
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:20 am Post subject:
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
Of course there are dual layer DVD+R discs from Verbatim that can be
written by PC drives such as the Pioneer A08 series. I have found the
video compatability of these to hover around 48%, a value confirmed by
more formal studies (you can google this).
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So can I infer from this part of your post that you have personally tested
many, many different players and drives for compatability? If not, please
refrain from confusing opinion with fact.
| Quote: | The discs have remained in the ca. $13 range each for seven months. I
have therefore rejected the format when an until it becomes readily
available at a reasonable price and more players are completely compatible
with it.
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Prices of DL media have started to drop in Australia. Around 25% drop in
four months.
| Quote: | There are no dual layer rewritables at all, and I have read of no one even
attempting to develop it. It would be *really* a problem on a number of
technical levels.
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Incorrect. Development of rewriteable DL media is continuing.
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Blu Ray is available in Japan at huge prices. HD DVD is still in the
final development phase. Most industry watchers expect these to be
prohibitively expensive well into 2006, and uncertain in acceptance, since
Blu Ray discs will not play on current DVD players at all.
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Blu Ray will go the way of Beta video recorders. DVD is adequate for 99% of
users needs so Blu Ray will not take off. |
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Papageno
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:37 am Post subject:
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"Fred At Home" <fredlly@yuorkiiding.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Blu Ray will go the way of Beta video recorders.
DVD is adequate for 99% of users needs so Blu Ray will
not take off.
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There's more to DVD than just video. Archiving solutions could use Blu Ray
and its follow-on technologies. Sony announced that it has a 200 GB DVD disk
in the labs. Just the ticket for data archiving. |
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:42 am Post subject:
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"Fred At Home" <fredlly@yuorkiiding.com> wrote in message
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
Incorrect. Development of rewriteable DL media is continuing.
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DOCUMENT. |
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Papageno
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:29 am Post subject:
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"Fred At Home" <fredlly@yuorkiiding.com> wrote in message
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
Incorrect. Development of rewriteable DL media is continuing.
DOCUMENT.
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Google it. |
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:55 am Post subject:
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"Papageno" <lhorwinkle@paris.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"Fred At Home" <fredlly@yuorkiiding.com> wrote in message
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in message
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"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
news:319d8ba2.0410231319.7d46b375@posting.google.com...
I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
Incorrect. Development of rewriteable DL media is continuing.
DOCUMENT.
Google it.
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I did. |
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Adrian
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:53 pm Post subject:
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Fred At Home wrote:
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Blu Ray will go the way of Beta video recorders. DVD is adequate for
99% of users needs so Blu Ray will not take off.
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DVD may be adequate at the moment but in future I'm sure ther will be a
demand for High Definition, this will be met by Blu-Ray or HD-DVD or
maybe a system that combines the two, as happened with the original
DVDs. |
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Andyroid
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:29 pm Post subject:
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On 23 Oct 2004 14:19:55 -0700, jerryv@bellatlantic.net (jerryv) wrote:
| Quote: | I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry
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Already here. Been here for quite a few months.
http://news.com.com/How+eight+pixels+cost+Microsoft+millions/2100-1014_3-5316664.html?tag=st.rc.targ_mb
"Microsoft has also managed to upset women and entire countries.
A Spanish-language version of Windows XP, destined for Latin American markets, asked users to select their gender between "not specified," "male" or "bitch," because of an unfortunate error in translation." |
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Bruce Markowitz
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:25 pm Post subject:
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I think the compatibility is partly because the current DL disks are +R
Isn't the Pioneer supposed to be able to write -R DL?
"jerryv" <jerryv@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I have a large video collection I want to transfer to DVD. I'm waiting
for dual layer discs to be available in the US. As I understand it,
the capacity of today's rewiteable discs is only 2 hrs.
Ant idea on when recorders with greater capcity, ie Blu Ray or dual
layer will be available in the US?
Jerry |
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