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Lordy
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:07 am Post subject:
Legality of selling PAL DVD Copies with NTSC originals |
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Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
Whats the legal position of reselling the original factory pressed disc
together with a PAL R2 (or RegionFree) conversion re-authored on DVD-R ?
Ie the Buyer ends up with an original disc + a copy in a different format.
I guess it breaks the UK equivalent of the DMCA?
For example if I buy an audio CD in the UK, I dont think I am allowed to
convert to to mp3 for personal use, but this law is not enforced (and
actively ignored)?
Does the same argument apply to an NTSC to PAL conversion? I suspect not
because of the CSS encryption?
How would this be viewed compared to blantant piracy? (Speculation
welcome:)
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Lordy
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luminos
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:17 am Post subject:
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"Lordy" <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
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If you are in the US, the answer is illegal...and not just because of the
DMCA. This violates any fair use provision. |
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Lordy
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:29 am Post subject:
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"luminos" <logos1@trip.net> wrote in
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"Lordy" <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote in message
news:Xns958BE1304E0FElordybigfootcom@130.133.1.4...
Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
If you are in the US, the answer is illegal...and not just because of
the DMCA. This violates any fair use provision.
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Thanks. I guess this is the same area as making backups of games.
From GameCopyWorld ( http://www.gamecopyworld.com/ )
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Keep the following in mind when making a backup of an Original Game CD:
* You are LEGALLY ALLOWED to make a personal backup of an Original Game
CD as long as you are the owner of the Original Game CD.
* You are NOT ALLOWED to sell, rent or give away any backups of
copyrighted Games CD's, as this is not allowed by Copyright Laws.
* You MUST DESTROY any backups when you don't legally own the Original
Game CD anymore (e.g. selling or giving it away)
* Before making a backup, check in the supplied manual or on the back
of the CD, if there are special conditions for making a personal backup.
AFAIK UK Law is more restrictive!
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Adrian
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Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:44 pm Post subject:
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Lordy wrote:
| Quote: | Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
Whats the legal position of reselling the original factory pressed
disc together with a PAL R2 (or RegionFree) conversion re-authored on
DVD-R ? Ie the Buyer ends up with an original disc + a copy in a
different format.
I guess it breaks the UK equivalent of the DMCA?
For example if I buy an audio CD in the UK, I dont think I am allowed
to convert to to mp3 for personal use, but this law is not enforced
(and actively ignored)?
Does the same argument apply to an NTSC to PAL conversion? I suspect
not because of the CSS encryption?
How would this be viewed compared to blantant piracy? (Speculation
welcome:)
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It would be illegal to sell a disc in the UK that does not have a BBFC
certificate or is specifily exempt. This would apply even if an
identical copy was available with a certificate. |
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Jon Purkey
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Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:50 pm Post subject:
Re: Legality of selling PAL DVD Copies with NTSC originals |
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On 23 Oct 2004 21:07:47 GMT, Lordy <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
Whats the legal position of reselling the original factory pressed disc
together with a PAL R2 (or RegionFree) conversion re-authored on DVD-R ?
Ie the Buyer ends up with an original disc + a copy in a different format.
I guess it breaks the UK equivalent of the DMCA?
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I'm sure it is a illegal, but if you were to do it you could break the
original/NTSC disc after converting it. Give the person the PAL
version and the broken NTSC original. Still, it would probably be best
to keep any such sales private.
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-Jon Purkey - <jonpurkey@aol.com)
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P Pron
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:11 am Post subject:
Re: Legality of selling PAL DVD Copies with NTSC originals |
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Lordy wrote:
| Quote: | Here's the catch.. say a DVD is only available as NTSC R1.
Whats the legal position of reselling the original factory pressed
disc together with a PAL R2 (or RegionFree) conversion re-authored on
DVD-R ? Ie the Buyer ends up with an original disc + a copy in a
different format.
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It might be just me, but I can't quite see what you're trying to
achieve.....
Are you hoping to clean up by selling PAL copies of NTSC discs, before they
get released in UK? If so, I think you're labouring under a misapprehension.
Virtually all modern TVs in UK are NTSC-capable, and 'hacks' to handle
region-coding issues are readily available. Many thousands of UK DVD users
regularly import R1 and R3 discs from the US, Canada, Hong Kong, the Channel
Islands, etc. All of the UK DVD magazines carry advertisements from
suppliers, and a couple of them even advertise in national newspapers.
So unless I've misunderstood your plan, I doubt that anyone would be
interested in buying PAL copies, leaving aside the legality of it.....
paul |
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Lordy
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:30 am Post subject:
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"P Pron" <paulatspambegone.pron@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
news:2ud22uF292hfmU1@uni-berlin.de:
| Quote: | It might be just me, but I can't quite see what you're trying to
achieve.....
Are you hoping to clean up by selling PAL copies of NTSC discs, before
they get released in UK? If so, I think you're labouring under a
misapprehension.
Virtually all modern TVs in UK are NTSC-capable, and 'hacks' to handle
region-coding issues are readily available. Many thousands of UK DVD
users regularly import R1 and R3 discs from the US, Canada, Hong Kong,
the Channel Islands, etc. All of the UK DVD magazines carry
advertisements from suppliers, and a couple of them even advertise in
national newspapers.
So unless I've misunderstood your plan, I doubt that anyone would be
interested in buying PAL copies, leaving aside the legality of it.....
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Legality aside (of which I have come to the conclusion it lacks legality :)
)....
I spent a week watching auctions and you'd be surprised how much a
differentiator PAL can be on some titles that have not been released here.
I'm not talking about films soon to be released in the near future, but
films and concerts that the distributers have decided not to release as
Region 2 / PAL.
And many people have bedroom TVs that are not NTSC capable. I can imagine
some people are just after maybe one or two titles that are not available
in R2/PAL and cant justify the expense of a new TV / DVD just for that.
Just because there is a large market for imports does not mean there is no
market for people that would like PAL versions.
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Lordy
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:41 am Post subject:
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Lordy <spam_box@gmx.co.uk> wrote in news:Xns95912465CB459lordybigfootcom@
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| Quote: | I'm not talking about films soon to be released in the near future, but
films and concerts that the distributers have decided not to release as
Region 2 / PAL.
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| Quote: | And many people have bedroom TVs that are not NTSC capable. I can imagine
some people are just after maybe one or two titles that are not available
in R2/PAL and cant justify the expense of a new TV / DVD just for that.
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For example, many American Stand Up comedians DVDs dont get released here,
or by the time they do, the topical jokes lose some of thier impact.
E.g. Richard Pryor Live On The Sunset Strip. Filmes in 1982 NTSC DVD 2000
And of Chris Rock's stand-up stuff gets released here 5 years later if at
all.
I saw Chris Rock Never Scared SVCD (not even a DVD) sell for over £15 with
multiple high bidders!!! I was hoping there was a legal way to tap into
this ...
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Lordy
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Fri Oct 29, 2004 6:53 am Post subject:
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"P Pron" <paulatspambegone.pron@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in
news:2ud22uF292hfmU1@uni-berlin.de:
| Quote: | Ie the Buyer ends up with ***an original disc*** + a copy in a
different format.
It might be just me, but I can't quite see what you're trying to
achieve.....
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Arrg,
I forgot one more thing.
1) I would have been reselling the original NTSC disc (effectively the same
as them buying an import from Amazon or whatever) so I should at least
break even re the original factory pressed disc but including a PAL copy
was going to be the differentiator,
which to us may be an additional 30p in materials and half hour setting up
some batch runs in TMPGEnc/DVDAuthor but to non-techcies would probably be
worth another 3/4quid on top at least (given my Bedroom TV argument
elsewhere)
A lot of people still have a lot of equipment that is not NTSC capable.
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