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Bob Urz
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:
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After working as well as watching two of the major spectacle shows out
on the circuit this fall, (Paul McCartny and Bon Jovi), i think i have
come to the conclusion that most of these shows are not about the sound
anymore. Yea, people come to here there favorite hits. But the big money
is getting spent on lighting. And more specifically, specialty LED
and fiber optic lighting.
I worked Bon Jovi last night. I wouldn't have guessed ahead of time
but they sold out the arena. Audio was a stock Clair I4 rig with
XL4's FOH and Barneys out back. (with a rack of Da-88's for some
unknown reason... ;) ) Audio was good for an arena show.
But it was the Video and special effect lighting that stole the
show and this seems to be the trend. He had a HUGE LED Video screen
that was at least 40x20. It had a huge boltable space frame and
rigging by Tait. LED Video screens themselves are recent, but this
one was different. It moved in three axis's. The whole screen would
tip up 90 degrees and move forward to make it a video roof over the
band. Then it could move back on a trolley system to go back behind
the band. All while running video or effects. Think it took 12 motors
just to hang it. It was a mechanical rigging work of art. Not to even
mention the brilliant quality of the video. More acts are starting to
build a camera trolley at the front of the stage to make camera shots.
They had two cameras running on the trolley plus a number of fixed
ones and a floater or two. The one large screen was impressive enough.
But them they had 4 smaller Barco walls on chain motors behind the
band. At times, they had 4 band member each on there own screen and
the big one gong to. And the video mixing was like it was done in a
studio with a EDL list. Maybe they did automate it with track and SMPTE
some, but it was an 11 on a scale of 10. And that doesn't even include
the Fiber optic curtain behind it all that they could put low rez images
on as well as the usual effects. They also had 3 or four truss pillars
with screen modules 18" wide or so in them. I just could not believe how
much stuff was there and how it looked. I even found it interesting that
the truss spots (50' in the air at trim) had color scrollers and other
controls on them. Guess they didn't want the stage hands falling out of
the truss to change a color.
These big shows seem to more and more about the video and effects.
Is that good or bad? I don't know. But you can bet it does not
make the ticket prices any cheaper. I left impressed.
What's the next big thing in sound? We got digital consoles now and
line arrays. All the industry needs is smarter people to run them....
Bob
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Rob Beech
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
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"Mike" <no_mail@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I even found it interesting that the truss spots (50' in the
air at trim) had color scrollers and other controls on them.
FWIW, I've seen Cyberlights used as truss mounted spots (minus the
mirrors). All the spot ops had to do was follow the LD's position calls.
The LD was able to control everything else directly himself. Makes for a
much tighter coordination of the show.
Mike Borkhuis
they do play a major part in the show. but turn them off and put on house |
lights and you still have a show.
turn off FOH.........
Rob |
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Mike
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | I even found it interesting that the truss spots (50' in the
air at trim) had color scrollers and other controls on them.
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FWIW, I've seen Cyberlights used as truss mounted spots (minus the
mirrors). All the spot ops had to do was follow the LD's position calls.
The LD was able to control everything else directly himself. Makes for a
much tighter coordination of the show.
Mike Borkhuis |
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Geoff@work
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:06 am Post subject:
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"Bob Urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message news:1131901972_3375@spool6-
| Quote: | These big shows seem to more and more about the video and effects.
Is that good or bad? I don't know. But you can bet it does not
make the ticket prices any cheaper. I left impressed.
What's the next big thing in sound? We got digital consoles now and
line arrays. All the industry needs is smarter people to run them....
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I really despise these screens at sports ground - one tends to end up
watching those rather than the real game. Even if you conciously try not
to.
geoff |
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Tim Scott
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:19 am Post subject:
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"Bob Urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
news:1131901972_3375@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
| Quote: | After working as well as watching two of the major spectacle shows out on
the circuit this fall, (Paul McCartny and Bon Jovi), i think i have come
to the conclusion that most of these shows are not about the sound
anymore. Yea, people come to here there favorite hits. But the big money
is getting spent on lighting. And more specifically, specialty LED
and fiber optic lighting.
I worked Bon Jovi last night. I wouldn't have guessed ahead of time
but they sold out the arena. Audio was a stock Clair I4 rig with
XL4's FOH and Barneys out back. (with a rack of Da-88's for some
unknown reason... ;) ) Audio was good for an arena show.
But it was the Video and special effect lighting that stole the
show and this seems to be the trend. He had a HUGE LED Video screen
that was at least 40x20. It had a huge boltable space frame and
rigging by Tait. LED Video screens themselves are recent, but this
one was different. It moved in three axis's. The whole screen would
tip up 90 degrees and move forward to make it a video roof over the band.
Then it could move back on a trolley system to go back behind
the band. All while running video or effects. Think it took 12 motors just
to hang it. It was a mechanical rigging work of art. Not to even mention
the brilliant quality of the video. More acts are starting to build a
camera trolley at the front of the stage to make camera shots. They had
two cameras running on the trolley plus a number of fixed
ones and a floater or two. The one large screen was impressive enough. But
them they had 4 smaller Barco walls on chain motors behind the
band. At times, they had 4 band member each on there own screen and
the big one gong to. And the video mixing was like it was done in a studio
with a EDL list. Maybe they did automate it with track and SMPTE some, but
it was an 11 on a scale of 10. And that doesn't even include the Fiber
optic curtain behind it all that they could put low rez images on as well
as the usual effects. They also had 3 or four truss pillars with screen
modules 18" wide or so in them. I just could not believe how much stuff
was there and how it looked. I even found it interesting that the truss
spots (50' in the air at trim) had color scrollers and other controls on
them. Guess they didn't want the stage hands falling out of the truss to
change a color.
These big shows seem to more and more about the video and effects.
Is that good or bad? I don't know. But you can bet it does not
make the ticket prices any cheaper. I left impressed.
What's the next big thing in sound? We got digital consoles now and
line arrays. All the industry needs is smarter people to run them....
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All the video stuff from the big video screen, the images and patterns on
the LED star cloth etc can all be mixed, coloured, manipulated (and posibly
was for this show) from GrandMA lighting desk - went on a course/demo on one
few weeks back (as we use them here) and was impressed by all the video
stuff it can do - it is like having a vision mixer/effects proceser built
into the LX desk, what was cool was the desk sees the video image/video as a
lighting fixture and treats it in a similar way on the esk with regard to
changing it's colours, positions etc. For LED walls, you just tell it how
many LEDs the screen is wide and tall, and then you can display video on it,
or load in a jpeg from disc. Is very impressive.
Would love to see the jovi gig with the motorized screen - sounds cool. |
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On 2005-11-13 Mail@robbeech.com said:
| Quote: | FWIW, I've seen Cyberlights used as truss mounted spots (minus
the mirrors). All the spot ops had to do was follow the LD's
position calls. The LD was able to control everything else
directly himself. Makes for a much tighter coordination of the
show.
they do play a major part in the show. but turn them off and put on
house lights and you still have a show.
turn off FOH.........
I'd like to see them do that in front of a few thousand fans |
at these sports arenas. LEt 'em play acoustic without any
sr. SEe how long that lasts.
Richard WEbb,
Electric SPider Productions
Replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real
email address.
Richard WEbb,
Electric SPider Productions
Replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real
email address. |
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Bob Urz
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Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: "Big act touring" what its all going to |
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Tim Scott wrote:
| Quote: | "Bob Urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
news:1131901972_3375@spool6-east.superfeed.net...
After working as well as watching two of the major spectacle shows out on
the circuit this fall, (Paul McCartny and Bon Jovi), i think i have come
to the conclusion that most of these shows are not about the sound
anymore. Yea, people come to here there favorite hits. But the big money
is getting spent on lighting. And more specifically, specialty LED
and fiber optic lighting.
All the video stuff from the big video screen, the images and patterns on
the LED star cloth etc can all be mixed, coloured, manipulated (and posibly
was for this show) from GrandMA lighting desk - went on a course/demo on one
few weeks back (as we use them here) and was impressed by all the video
stuff it can do - it is like having a vision mixer/effects proceser built
into the LX desk, what was cool was the desk sees the video image/video as a
lighting fixture and treats it in a similar way on the esk with regard to
changing it's colours, positions etc. For LED walls, you just tell it how
many LEDs the screen is wide and tall, and then you can display video on it,
or load in a jpeg from disc. Is very impressive.
Would love to see the jovi gig with the motorized screen - sounds cool.
There were two grandMA's FOH. Each had two large external flat panel |
screens. One was a cue list, the other showed all the video screens
with a live feed. There was a HUGE videoland back behind the stage the
looked like a TV video production suite. Not quite sure who was driving
the truck on the video, but its my guess it was a combination. I doubt
FOH was doing camera switching. But they may have controlled the screens
being on and off. I was working electric's on the show and was sent out
to FOH two songs from the end to help tear it down. One drunk female
tried to talk me out of my yellow Bon Jovi shirt. She seemed to think
i did not need it. Needless to say, she did not get it........
The lighting was Ed and Teds. Much of the gear and meat racks and such
were all new.
Bob
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