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Mark Zak
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:03 pm Post subject:
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I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before damage.
I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR and
Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
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Mark Zak
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:23 pm Post subject:
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Following on my earlier message, the tapes are old and I doubt they are copy
protected. When played from VCR direct to TV, the picture is perfect. When
recording to DVD Recorder, the recorded picture is distorted with a black
band at the botton. I have borrowed my friends Panasonic DMR-ES30V DVD
Recorder (Dual VHS and DVD) but it dispalyed a message to the effect that
the source is copy protected.
Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated
Mark Zak
"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before damage.
I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR and
Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
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Atropos
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject:
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"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Following on my earlier message, the tapes are old and I doubt they are
copy protected. When played from VCR direct to TV, the picture is perfect.
When recording to DVD Recorder, the recorded picture is distorted with a
black band at the botton. I have borrowed my friends Panasonic DMR-ES30V
DVD Recorder (Dual VHS and DVD) but it dispalyed a message to the effect
that the source is copy protected.
Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated
Mark Zak
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Macrovision protected I suspect.
You need to either
a) Find a hacked firmware or method to turn off Macrovision within your DVD
Recorder.
b) Obtain a macrovision defeating hardware that effectively connects between
your VCR and DVR units.
Technically it isn't illegal, as you own the original VHS tapes. |
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Merlin
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject:
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You will need a TBC or a video capture device that ignores the copy
protection. I've used an ADSTech's DVDXpress unit to do this many times with
great results. It's an external unit that plugs into your USB port and
captures directly to MPEG via hardware encoder. You can pick one up at
Walmart for under $80, or at SamsClub for $60.
"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
news:h1mdf.15657$Hj2.3189@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | Following on my earlier message, the tapes are old and I doubt they are
copy protected. When played from VCR direct to TV, the picture is perfect.
When recording to DVD Recorder, the recorded picture is distorted with a
black band at the botton. I have borrowed my friends Panasonic DMR-ES30V
DVD Recorder (Dual VHS and DVD) but it dispalyed a message to the effect
that the source is copy protected.
Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated
Mark Zak
"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
news:hKldf.15650$Hj2.11694@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before
damage. I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR
and Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
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Serial # 19781010
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:26 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:03:09 GMT, "Mark Zak"
<markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before damage.
I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR and
Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
Get a so-called video stabilizer between the the VCR and DVR and be |
done with it.
30 bucks on Ebay. |
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MCheu
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 2:25 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:03:09 GMT, "Mark Zak"
<markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before damage.
I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR and
Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
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If they're not protected, you can simply run a patch cable from the
VCR to the recorder as you would for a VCR-to-VCR copy. There would
obviously be some degradation in the transfer, as it's basically a
digitized analog copy (yeah, sounds like an oxymoron, but it's not).
If they're commercially produced tapes though, they probably are
protected. Even tapes going back as far as the early 80s are
protected by Macrovision ACP (Analog Content Protection). You can
strip off most of the signal and boost the clarity using a "video
enhancer"/Macrovision remover device. However, that's where things
get hairy. Depending on the country you live in, using such a device
or even owning it can be illegal (you can thank the Americans for it
if your country adopted DMCA-like copyright amendments). It's kind of
a catch-22 situation. You can legally make the copy if you bought a
licensed copy. However, to make the copy you have to remove or defeat
the protection. Defeating or removing the protection is illegal. So
while it's legal to make the copy, you can't do it legally.
Further, such devices don't completely remove the signal. It just
tweaks the output enough that it doesn't screw up the picture. That's
fine for a totally analog copy like a VCR-to-VCR dub, but if you
digitize, some of the codecs used in computers and stand alone
recorders look for the non-visible signal cues, and will crap out if
it finds them. There are some capture cards that ignore the signal,
but I can't recommend one. I've no idea which of the current models
do or don't.
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Thanks.
MCheu |
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howie feltersnatch
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:25 am Post subject:
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in the uk you can get a scart lead for 15 pounds that disables the
protection.
"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
news:hKldf.15650$Hj2.11694@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
| Quote: | I would like to backup two teaching copy protected NTSC VHS tapes to DVD.
The tapes are frequently used at various locations in class rooms often in
old equipment and I am concerned it is only a matter of time before damage.
I trust this is not illegal. I have Panasonic NV-FJ630 Series VCR and
Panasonic DMR-EH60 DVD Recorder.
Your advise would be appreciated
Mark Zak
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Bob
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:26:40 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net>
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| Quote: | Get a so-called video stabilizer between the the VCR and DVR and be
done with it.
30 bucks on Ebay.
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What model is that?
--
Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
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Serial # 19781010
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Bob
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 06:08:37 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net>
wrote:
Unfortunately it says it is not compatible with ILO units. I have the
DVDR05MU which is made by CyberHome.
However, earlier versions of ILO DVDR04 were not made by CyberHome -
they were made by LiteOn. The newer ILO DVDR05 just came out about 6
months ago, so it could be that the reference to ILO is misdirected
for the new units.
To complicate the matter, ILO markets two units, one designated the ZU
and one the MU. The ZU is made with an older chipset and is
disappearing off the shelves at WalMart. If you ever get an ILO DVDR05
be sure to get the MU unit (look for the serial number on the outside
of the box).
Because the hardware and the firmware of the DVDR05 is radically
different, this adds another indeterminant regarding the usability of
the "digital video stabilizer".
Also, the use of the term "digital video" seems to imply that it won't
work on analog composite video which makes no sense.
Thanks for the reference but this needs to be investigated more
thoroughly. It would help if we knew the manufacturer.
I found the same unit on another site:
http://www.bgsales.com/video-stabilizer/digital-video-stabilizer.html
"Will not work with level 2 color stripe copy protection
but the GO DVD or SCC-2 will. Will NOT work with Toshiba DVD Players!
Will NOT work when going to a Camcorder. Will not work with DVD
Recorders."
Now I am confused.
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
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Bob
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:12:27 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
I did some more research and found a couple of sites worth
investigating if you are in the market for this unit:
http://www.qualitekindustries.com/noname.html
http://www.checkhere22.com/stabilizer.html
http://www.checkhere22.com/stabilizer_tech.html
It turns out I was right about my suspicions that the ILO unit
referenced is the old DVDR04, which is a Lite-On OEM unit.
I also discovered that contrary to my previous post, the unit will
work with most VCRs. It will even work with combos VCR-DVDs if there
are separate video output and input so you can place the unit in
between.
The details are in those websites referenced above. One vendor is
cheaper than Ebay and is willing to back his product, which is
something Ebay sellers are reluctant to do.
Be warned that it appears there are three models: VCR-VCR, VCR-DVD and
DVD-DVD.
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
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GMAN
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject:
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In article <dl4s8q$rlb$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, "Atropos" <davewhite122000Nowdontbesillylads@yahoo.com> wrote:
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"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
news:h1mdf.15657$Hj2.3189@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Following on my earlier message, the tapes are old and I doubt they are
copy protected. When played from VCR direct to TV, the picture is perfect.
When recording to DVD Recorder, the recorded picture is distorted with a
black band at the botton. I have borrowed my friends Panasonic DMR-ES30V
DVD Recorder (Dual VHS and DVD) but it dispalyed a message to the effect
that the source is copy protected.
Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated
Mark Zak
Macrovision protected I suspect.
You need to either
a) Find a hacked firmware or method to turn off Macrovision within your DVD
Recorder.
b) Obtain a macrovision defeating hardware that effectively connects between
your VCR and DVR units.
Technically it isn't illegal, as you own the original VHS tapes.
He can use one of those devices, he borrowed a combo unit from a friend and |
there is no way to hook the box between the two. Use another vcr as the source
and run it thru the black box then to the DVDR |
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GMAN
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:15 pm Post subject:
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In article <dl7leg$rr3$1@news.xmission.com>, glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <dl4s8q$rlb$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, "Atropos"
davewhite122000Nowdontbesillylads@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Mark Zak" <markzak_NO_SPAM@PLEASE_barzak.com> wrote in message
news:h1mdf.15657$Hj2.3189@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Following on my earlier message, the tapes are old and I doubt they are
copy protected. When played from VCR direct to TV, the picture is perfect.
When recording to DVD Recorder, the recorded picture is distorted with a
black band at the botton. I have borrowed my friends Panasonic DMR-ES30V
DVD Recorder (Dual VHS and DVD) but it dispalyed a message to the effect
that the source is copy protected.
Once again, your help would be greatly appreciated
Mark Zak
Macrovision protected I suspect.
You need to either
a) Find a hacked firmware or method to turn off Macrovision within your DVD
Recorder.
b) Obtain a macrovision defeating hardware that effectively connects between
your VCR and DVR units.
Technically it isn't illegal, as you own the original VHS tapes.
He can use one of those devices, he borrowed a combo unit from a friend and
there is no way to hook the box between the two. Use another vcr as the source
and run it thru the black box then to the DVDR
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OOps, I meant to say "Can't" |
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GMAN
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject:
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In article <6vaen1pr2hqgi4eb65g415nfv6vv3io5eb@4ax.com>, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net> wrote:
That ancient peice of crap has been sold on the market for over 20 years! Plus
you never want one that runs off of 9v battery. It can only handle type 1
macrovision and very poorly at that.
Spend a few extra dollars and get a unit like the "Sima CT-2 GoDVD!"
http://www.videoguys.com/sima.htm#godvd |
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Bob
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:20:21 GMT, glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
| Quote: | Spend a few extra dollars and get a unit like the "Sima CT-2 GoDVD!"
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There is no justification for charging $80 for something that costs $5
to manufacture.
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BOYCOTT SONY!
SONY IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER YOUR COMPUTER!
HOMELAND SECURITY TOLD SONY TO CEASE AND DESIST!
YOU DO THE SAME - BOYCOTT SONY! |
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