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Tom Jancauskas
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:08 am Post subject:
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Hi all
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
I have looked on Ebay already, but thought I might someone on RAP that may
want to get rid of something they aren't using anymore.
Let me know what you may have.
Thanks,
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Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
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David Morgan (MAMS)
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:39 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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"Tom Jancauskas" <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:BF9A71F4.EB0D%mixbus@sbcglobal.net...
| Quote: | Hi all
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
I have looked on Ebay already, but thought I might someone on RAP that may
want to get rid of something they aren't using anymore.
Let me know what you may have.
Thanks,
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
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Tom,
The Tascam DA-30 mk-II is a pretty reliable machine with convertors
that don't destroy the source. I have three of them and only one has
given me any problems over the years. If you have time to wait, keep
an eye on e-Bay for the *right* seller. People are steadily moving away
from tape based recording and these things pop up pretty often with
closing bids at way below $300. I plucked one from a NYC basement
producer for $180 last spring... pristine, with all the original packaging.
Some advantages to the DA-30 mk-II is that no tape need be inserted
for the machine to enter AD/DA mode and pass signal -- as well as the
'calibrated' operating mode... where the input gain controls are bypassed
(using balanced XLR ins) and the machine record levels are totally reliant
upon the outputs of the mixing device.
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David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
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http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com |
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Tom Jancauskas
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:48 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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in article q49df.1856$rO4.973@trnddc05, David Morgan (MAMS) at
mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com wrote on 11/11/05 4:39 PM:
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"Tom Jancauskas" <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BF9A71F4.EB0D%mixbus@sbcglobal.net...
Hi all
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
I have looked on Ebay already, but thought I might someone on RAP that may
want to get rid of something they aren't using anymore.
Let me know what you may have.
Thanks,
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
Tom,
The Tascam DA-30 mk-II is a pretty reliable machine with convertors
that don't destroy the source. I have three of them and only one has
given me any problems over the years. If you have time to wait, keep
an eye on e-Bay for the *right* seller. People are steadily moving away
from tape based recording and these things pop up pretty often with
closing bids at way below $300. I plucked one from a NYC basement
producer for $180 last spring... pristine, with all the original packaging.
Some advantages to the DA-30 mk-II is that no tape need be inserted
for the machine to enter AD/DA mode and pass signal -- as well as the
'calibrated' operating mode... where the input gain controls are bypassed
(using balanced XLR ins) and the machine record levels are totally reliant
upon the outputs of the mixing device.
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Thanks David,
I saw a DA-40 there with a good price, but I thought I'd check here first to
see if anybody wanted to let something go.
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Tom Jancauskas
Imedia |
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Scott Dorsey
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 4:59 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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Tom Jancauskas <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
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You need to do a full cleaning and alignment on ANY dat machine, at least
once a year. If you don't do regular PM, it will fail.
If you buy a brand new machine, you will STILL need to do regular maintenance
or it will break.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tom Jancauskas
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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in article dl37nr$a26$1@panix2.panix.com, Scott Dorsey at kludge@panix.com
wrote on 11/11/05 4:59 PM:
| Quote: | Tom Jancauskas <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
You need to do a full cleaning and alignment on ANY dat machine, at least
once a year. If you don't do regular PM, it will fail.
If you buy a brand new machine, you will STILL need to do regular maintenance
or it will break.
--scott
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Hi Scott,
Thanks for the info. I do know that there is a regular maintenance schedule
needed for these things as they are really fragile.
I have been using the format since "my first DAT" - an apogee converter
modded Sony DTC1000 by audio/design on 1989.
The reason I was looking to get a different one is that this machine has a
LOT of hours on it and the cost of replacing it will be less than the repair
would be.
I opened it up to see what was going on & there was a very distinct smell of
burned electronics around the transport area.
I do always appreciate any wisdom you can pass along.
Thanks
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Tom Jancauskas
Imedia |
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Scott Dorsey
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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Tom Jancauskas <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Thanks for the info. I do know that there is a regular maintenance schedule
needed for these things as they are really fragile.
I have been using the format since "my first DAT" - an apogee converter
modded Sony DTC1000 by audio/design on 1989.
The reason I was looking to get a different one is that this machine has a
LOT of hours on it and the cost of replacing it will be less than the repair
would be.
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I second the recommendation of the DA-30 Mk II, then. They are really
solid machines.
But, to be honest the SV3700 transport is more rugged, even though the
converters are awful and the interfaces nonstandard.
| Quote: | I opened it up to see what was going on & there was a very distinct smell of
burned electronics around the transport area.
I do always appreciate any wisdom you can pass along.
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Call Eddie Ciletti at Tangible Technology. Tell him you want a DAT machine
and you want a refurbished unit that he'll guarantee. He might laugh at
you, but he might have something on the shelf. And I bet that anything
off of his shelf is going to be more reliable than anything from Ebay.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Tom Jancauskas
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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in article dl3c17$4m6$1@panix2.panix.com, Scott Dorsey at kludge@panix.com
wrote on 11/11/05 6:12 PM:
| Quote: | Call Eddie Ciletti at Tangible Technology. Tell him you want a DAT machine
and you want a refurbished unit that he'll guarantee. He might laugh at
you, but he might have something on the shelf. And I bet that anything
off of his shelf is going to be more reliable than anything from Ebay.
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Thanks for the heads up Scott. I'll see what Eddie may have available. I am
using this mainly as a playback machine for the most part.
I haven't used the analog inputs for geez, 4-5 years!
Thanks,
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Tom Jancauskas
Imedia |
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Scott Dorsey
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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<paul@nospam.net> wrote:
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Is this subject to the number of hrs of use? I've had mine for years,
but rarely use it and it works fine as far as I can tell, though I've
never serviced it. I just used it Wed. for that recital I asked for
suggestions about and had no trouble at all.
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Some things tend to fail faster the more they are used, like tape guides.
Some things tent to fail faster when you _don't_ use them, like belts.
Some things, like grease that's out in the open, tends to fail at about
the same rate no matter what.
The problem with digital systems is that you never have any trouble at
all as the error rate creeps up... until all of a sudden the error rate
gets high enough that it can't be corrected and all hell breaks loose.
Watch your error rates.
--scott
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John L Rice
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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"Tom Jancauskas" <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:BF9A71F4.EB0D%mixbus@sbcglobal.net...
| Quote: | Hi all
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
I have looked on Ebay already, but thought I might someone on RAP that may
want to get rid of something they aren't using anymore.
Let me know what you may have.
Thanks,
--
Tom Jancauskas
Imedia
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IMHO the Sony PCM-R500 is an excellent machine and worth considering. (nice
4 motor tape handling on this model) FWIW there are three on Ebay right now
from three different sellers (I don't know them), each for $350 buy-it-now.
Best of luck!
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John L Rice
www.DeliriumFix.com |
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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On 11 Nov 2005 17:59:07 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
| Quote: | Tom Jancauskas <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Anybody have a good working condition DAT machine they'd like to sell?
Mine just decided to die (panasonic 3700) & it is about 12 years old. I
don't really want to put money into this machine if I can help it.
You need to do a full cleaning and alignment on ANY dat machine, at least
once a year. If you don't do regular PM, it will fail.
If you buy a brand new machine, you will STILL need to do regular maintenance
or it will break.
--scott
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Is this subject to the number of hrs of use? I've had mine for years,
but rarely use it and it works fine as far as I can tell, though I've
never serviced it. I just used it Wed. for that recital I asked for
suggestions about and had no trouble at all. |
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Ty Ford
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 19:12:23 -0500, Scott Dorsey wrote
(in article <dl3c17$4m6$1@panix2.panix.com>):
| Quote: | Tom Jancauskas <mixbus@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Thanks for the info. I do know that there is a regular maintenance schedule
needed for these things as they are really fragile.
I have been using the format since "my first DAT" - an apogee converter
modded Sony DTC1000 by audio/design on 1989.
The reason I was looking to get a different one is that this machine has a
LOT of hours on it and the cost of replacing it will be less than the repair
would be.
I second the recommendation of the DA-30 Mk II, then. They are really
solid machines.
But, to be honest the SV3700 transport is more rugged, even though the
converters are awful and the interfaces nonstandard.
I opened it up to see what was going on & there was a very distinct smell of
burned electronics around the transport area.
I do always appreciate any wisdom you can pass along.
Call Eddie Ciletti at Tangible Technology. Tell him you want a DAT machine
and you want a refurbished unit that he'll guarantee. He might laugh at
you, but he might have something on the shelf. And I bet that anything
off of his shelf is going to be more reliable than anything from Ebay.
--scott
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Pro Digital in Broomall, PA also does DAT repair and has a "used equipment"
sale shelf.
Regards,
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com |
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Tom Jancauskas
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:40 pm Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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in article -MCdneVr64BVcOjeRVn-rw@comcast.com, Ty Ford at
tyreeford@comcast.net wrote on 11/12/05 7:27 AM:
| Quote: | Pro Digital in Broomall, PA also does DAT repair and has a "used equipment"
sale shelf.
Regards,
Ty Ford
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Thanks Ty, I'll have a look & see what they have.
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Tom Jancauskas
Imedia |
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:47 pm Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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On 11 Nov 2005 20:48:40 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
| Quote: | The problem with digital systems is that you never have any trouble at
all as the error rate creeps up... until all of a sudden the error rate
gets high enough that it can't be corrected and all hell breaks loose.
Watch your error rates.
Thanks for the info Scott, |
OK Now I'll really let my ignorance show. Where do you look to see an
error rate? I hear error rates referred to periodically, but I never
see anything on my Dat machine or in Nuendo where they are checked.
Obviously if there is an actual drop out I catch it. This has happened
on a rare occasion. There is something in Wave Lab that looks for
errors and will find hundreds to thousands of errors depending on
where I set the threshold. I'm not sure where to set it. These are
errors that are completely inaudible as far as I'm concerned.
Why do they matter? outside of indicating a problem with the mechanics
of my Dat machine? The errors I find are in files recorded direct into
my daw as well as from the Dat. |
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Scott Dorsey
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:54 pm Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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<paul@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | OK Now I'll really let my ignorance show. Where do you look to see an
error rate? I hear error rates referred to periodically, but I never
see anything on my Dat machine or in Nuendo where they are checked.
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What model DAT machine do you have? Most have some function to check
error rate.
| Quote: | Obviously if there is an actual drop out I catch it. This has happened
on a rare occasion. There is something in Wave Lab that looks for
errors and will find hundreds to thousands of errors depending on
where I set the threshold. I'm not sure where to set it. These are
errors that are completely inaudible as far as I'm concerned.
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By the time the S-PDIF stream gets to the computer, all the errors have
been corrected and/or interpolated around. This is the problem.... the
actual error rate coming off the tape is what you want.
| Quote: | Why do they matter? outside of indicating a problem with the mechanics
of my Dat machine? The errors I find are in files recorded direct into
my daw as well as from the Dat.
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Right. What you want to know is the error rate ON the DAT drive, because
that is the only way you can tell what the drive condition is. And you
should enter it into the maintenance log weekly if you're using the deck
on a constant basis.
--scott
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 12:18 am Post subject:
Re: DAT machine wanted |
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On 12 Nov 2005 11:54:04 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Thanks Scott
| Quote: | What model DAT machine do you have? Most have some function to check
error rate.
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DA30 MKII
I'm still curious about the error finder in wavelab, or perhaps that
should be a post under a different header. |
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