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Alabaster
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:30 pm Post subject:
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I'm looking for a software package that will allow me to do basic video
editing. My main purpose is to make short films with a middle school
acting class.
I'm looking for something in the $60 - $120 range, or cheaper if
possible. I would consider buying seperate software for the editing and
burning as long as the programs are compatible and don't require a lot
of convoluted conversion. An upgrade path to professional versions
would be nice. It seems that Adobe Premiere Elements, Pinnacle Studio,
and Vegas Movie Studio are the best options so far--any thoughts?
Features I require:
-Capture from Sony DV (firewire)
-Export to Sony DV
-Save as AVI, WMV, MPG, DIVX, Quicktime, or at least a few of these,
with various levels of compression, bitrates, framerates, etc.
-Author and burn to DVD, with menus, subtitles, etc..
-The ability to convert between multiple video formats and encoding
options would be a big plus.
-Some nice transitions and effects would be helpful, but I don't need a
huge library of them.
-Audio sync must be flawless. Other than this, I don't need fancy audio
features, because I am a composer and do most of my audio work in
separate software. The video software only needs to import one or two
tracks.
-A good GUI, and fairly quick rendering if possible-- I tend to work
right up to my deadlines.
I've been trying to search for something online, but so many
questionable-looking packages pop up that it's hard for me pick out
what's good and reliable. Right now I do it through a whole series of
random little conversion programs and encoders that I've found on the
internet, but the process is long and frustrating, and usually requires
a lot of trial and error, and time spent tracking down codecs.
Any suggestions?
Thanks,
chris.
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Richard Crowley
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject:
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"Alabaster" <noemail@nofreakingemail.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I'm looking for a software package that will allow me to do basic
video editing. My main purpose is to make short films with a middle
school acting class.
I'm looking for something in the $60 - $120 range, or cheaper if
possible. I would consider buying seperate software for the editing
and burning as long as the programs are compatible and don't require a
lot of convoluted conversion. An upgrade path to professional
versions would be nice. It seems that Adobe Premiere Elements,
Pinnacle Studio, and Vegas Movie Studio are the best options so
far--any thoughts?
Features I require:
-Capture from Sony DV (firewire)
-Export to Sony DV
-Save as AVI, WMV, MPG, DIVX, Quicktime, or at least a few of these,
with various levels of compression, bitrates, framerates, etc.
-Author and burn to DVD, with menus, subtitles, etc..
-The ability to convert between multiple video formats and encoding
options would be a big plus.
-Some nice transitions and effects would be helpful, but I don't need
a huge library of them.
-Audio sync must be flawless. Other than this, I don't need fancy
audio features, because I am a composer and do most of my audio work
in separate software. The video software only needs to import one or
two tracks.
-A good GUI, and fairly quick rendering if possible-- I tend to work
right up to my deadlines.
I've been trying to search for something online, but so many
questionable-looking packages pop up that it's hard for me pick out
what's good and reliable. Right now I do it through a whole series of
random little conversion programs and encoders that I've found on the
internet, but the process is long and frustrating, and usually
requires a lot of trial and error, and time spent tracking down
codecs.
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Assuming you are running PC (not Mac)...
Did you look at Windows Movie Maker (free)?
Have you lurked around here long enough to see all the
people complaining about Pinnacle? |
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Alabaster
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject:
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Yes, I'm on PC, and i've used Windows Movie Maker but it's too remedial
for me, as well as buggy--it's given me lots of problems with audio
synchronization, as well as freezing up during renders. In general, I
need a richer feature set anyway.
I have not lurked around here before--this is my first time reading this
board, as a result of a frustrating overnight attempt to finish a
12-minute film with Windows Movie Maker. I had probablems at every
step--capturing, editing, synchronizing, exporting to DV, rendering to
disk, converting, burning to DVD, etc. My computer is souped up for
professional audio production, so it's not a matter of ram or cpu limits.
Right now I'm torn between Vegas and Premiere. Vegas has a strong
reputation with the audio community (I am a composer and audio
engineer), so I'm inclined towards that. But Premiere seems to be user
friendly and fairly ubiquitous--it seems like plugins are more readily
available. Since I'm not especially knowledgeable, there may be
features that I don't even know I should be looking for.
Any thoughts on which of the two (or other) to go with?
I'd like the software to not be TOO proprietary--that is, I'd like the
DVD burning / authoring component to work with files created in other
software as well. And again, the ability to convert between various
formats would be helpful.
Thanks,
chris.
Richard Crowley wrote:
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"Alabaster" <noemail@nofreakingemail.net> wrote in message
news:mG3df.8$KC1.190@news.uswest.net...
I'm looking for a software package that will allow me to do basic
video editing. My main purpose is to make short films with a middle
school acting class.
I'm looking for something in the $60 - $120 range, or cheaper if
possible. I would consider buying seperate software for the editing
and burning as long as the programs are compatible and don't require a
lot of convoluted conversion. An upgrade path to professional
versions would be nice. It seems that Adobe Premiere Elements,
Pinnacle Studio, and Vegas Movie Studio are the best options so
far--any thoughts?
Features I require:
-Capture from Sony DV (firewire)
-Export to Sony DV
-Save as AVI, WMV, MPG, DIVX, Quicktime, or at least a few of these,
with various levels of compression, bitrates, framerates, etc.
-Author and burn to DVD, with menus, subtitles, etc..
-The ability to convert between multiple video formats and encoding
options would be a big plus.
-Some nice transitions and effects would be helpful, but I don't need
a huge library of them.
-Audio sync must be flawless. Other than this, I don't need fancy
audio features, because I am a composer and do most of my audio work
in separate software. The video software only needs to import one or
two tracks.
-A good GUI, and fairly quick rendering if possible-- I tend to work
right up to my deadlines.
I've been trying to search for something online, but so many
questionable-looking packages pop up that it's hard for me pick out
what's good and reliable. Right now I do it through a whole series of
random little conversion programs and encoders that I've found on the
internet, but the process is long and frustrating, and usually
requires a lot of trial and error, and time spent tracking down codecs.
Assuming you are running PC (not Mac)...
Did you look at Windows Movie Maker (free)?
Have you lurked around here long enough to see all the
people complaining about Pinnacle? |
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Richard Crowley
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:
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"Alabaster" wrote ...
| Quote: | Yes, I'm on PC, and i've used Windows Movie Maker but it's too
remedial for me, as well as buggy--it's given me lots of problems with
audio synchronization, as well as freezing up during renders. In
general, I need a richer feature set anyway.
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There is a newsgroup specifically for WMM...
news:microsoft.public.windowsxp.moviemaker
How clean is the machine you are running this on? It would
appear that lots of people use WMM without any of those
problems?
| Quote: | I have not lurked around here before--this is my first time reading
this board, as a result of a frustrating overnight attempt to finish a
12-minute film with Windows Movie Maker. I had probablems at every
step--capturing, editing, synchronizing, exporting to DV, rendering to
disk, converting, burning to DVD, etc. My computer is souped up for
professional audio production, so it's not a matter of ram or cpu
limits.
Right now I'm torn between Vegas and Premiere. Vegas has a strong
reputation with the audio community (I am a composer and audio
engineer), so I'm inclined towards that. But Premiere seems to be
user friendly and fairly ubiquitous--it seems like plugins are more
readily available. Since I'm not especially knowledgeable, there may
be features that I don't even know I should be looking for.
Any thoughts on which of the two (or other) to go with?
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I don't have any experience with Vegas (now Sony), only with
Premiere. I am quite happy with Premiere Pro and Encore (for
DVD authoring/burning), but that is beyond your desired budget.
You should certainly consider Premiere Elements which I believe
will also do simple DVD authoring/burning. You can get free
previews of most of the Adobe products online.
| Quote: | I'd like the software to not be TOO proprietary--that is, I'd like the
DVD burning / authoring component to work with files created in other
software as well. And again, the ability to convert between various
formats would be helpful.
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The Adobe products are pretty broadly supported by 3rd party
plug-ins, etc, and use industry-standard file formats that can
be exchanged with other software.
People have good things to say about Vegas, and I am a great
fan of Sony hardware. But I am wary of Sony as a software
vendor. They are such a big company that they could just decide
one day to quit the production software business and never even
give it a second thought. I had a Sony laptop PC before this Dell
I am using now, and I wouldn't buy a Sony PC again, either.
IMHO, Sony just doesn't do computer hardware/software to
the same level as they do audio and video hardware.
There is also Avid Free DV http://www.avid.com/freedv/
which, you will have to admit, is a very good price. And
Avid is a big name in the pro market. There are also free-
ware (or cheap-ware) MPEG converters and DVD authoring/
burning applications available. Depends on whether you
want to exchange time/experimentation for $$$.
Can you find another computer to do your video editing on?
I also do multi-track audio production. But I mostly do video
and audio on different machines since video is so demanding. |
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Harry Putnam
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:38 am Post subject:
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Alabaster <noemail@nofreakingemail.net> writes:
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| Quote: | Right now I'm torn between Vegas and Premiere. ...
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These are a far cry from the $60-120 dollar premise... |
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Jona Vark
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:12 am Post subject:
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"Alabaster" <noemail@nofreakingemail.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Right now I'm torn between Vegas and Premiere. Vegas has a strong
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I am a Premiere user and I find it excellent. Many here also love Vegas. The
time you save and the features you will have will far outweigh the extra
expense. Go for it. |
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Gary
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:48 am Post subject:
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I have Vegas Video 3.0 when it was still from Sonic Foundry, and Vegas
Video Studio from Sony which I got for basic DVD authoring which VV 3.0
doesn't have.
One thing I like to do typically is have a collection of clips each
available on the menu, but when you select one, play through to the end
rather than come back to the menu after the clip ends each time. The
only way DVD Architect Studio included with Vegas Studio allows you to
do this is if you have all of your media rendered as an AVI with
markers at the chapter points, but you can't do it if your clips are
already rendered to MPEG. This is a huge time waste if you are
tweaking one little clip but need to re-render the whole thing every
time. I don't like to re-render as a step in authoring, come on!
I finally gave up and got TMPGenc for DVD authoring, about $60. It
gives you the choice per clip I think to either play through or return
to the menu.
One problem with all of this is that as a newbie I didn't really know
what I wanted, assumed that the product would have some flexibility
where I needed it, but was wrong. I haven't tried the other packages
you mentioned but ultimately it may come down, as it did with me, that
you really want just ONE thing that your sw won't do and then have to
go get something else. Good thing that I didn't drop $900 on something
to find that out! |
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Alabaster
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 1:58 am Post subject:
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Harry Putnam wrote:
| Quote: | Alabaster <noemail@nofreakingemail.net> writes:
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Right now I'm torn between Vegas and Premiere. ...
These are a far cry from the $60-120 dollar premise...
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What I mean is I'm torn between the "home studio" version of these
programs... Each offers a hobbyist version for about $99, which
features just about all the features I would need. And presumably there
is an upgrade path if I wanted to move on to more professional work.
For my amateur and educational stuff, I think the smaller versions would
do the trick.
chris. |
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Alpha
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Sat Nov 12, 2005 2:49 am Post subject:
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What you want in the package is *not* available in the hobbyist versions of
Premiere and Vegas. Neither of the $99 versions can adequately author DVD
structures with subtitles.
Sonic DVDIT 6 Pro has a built in subtitle editor. Caveat Emptor - their
past products have been buggy.
DVD LAB Pro can do subtitles with an external editor...and you have to use
another program for editing ($199).
What you want is only available in the full Premiere and Vegas products.
I am particularly fond of Edius from Canopus .. however the
hardware/software/keyboard bundle is essential (for standard video, about
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:
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Alpha wrote:
| Quote: | What you want in the package is *not* available in the hobbyist versions of
Premiere and Vegas. Neither of the $99 versions can adequately author DVD
structures with subtitles.
Sonic DVDIT 6 Pro has a built in subtitle editor. Caveat Emptor - their
past products have been buggy.
DVD LAB Pro can do subtitles with an external editor...and you have to use
another program for editing ($199).
What you want is only available in the full Premiere and Vegas products.
I am particularly fond of Edius from Canopus .. however the
hardware/software/keyboard bundle is essential (for standard video, about
$1200).
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I would download the Sony vegas Studio pack and see if it meets your
needs.
The DVD authoring is a seperate program but I haven't found that to be
an issue.
Windows Movie Maker seems stable on WIN XP service pack 2. Anything
earlier seems a bit buggy. |
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Alabaster
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:
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Subtitles aren't crucial--I mentioned them as an afterthought, and if
they're not in the $99 version, I can definitely do without them. As
long as the software has all (or most) of the other features. Premiere
and Vegas Movie studio seem to have them, unless I'm misreading
something. Any tips?
chris.
Alpha wrote:
| Quote: | What you want in the package is *not* available in the hobbyist versions of
Premiere and Vegas. Neither of the $99 versions can adequately author DVD
structures with subtitles.
Sonic DVDIT 6 Pro has a built in subtitle editor. Caveat Emptor - their
past products have been buggy.
DVD LAB Pro can do subtitles with an external editor...and you have to use
another program for editing ($199).
What you want is only available in the full Premiere and Vegas products.
I am particularly fond of Edius from Canopus .. however the
hardware/software/keyboard bundle is essential (for standard video, about
$1200).
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