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Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:34 am Post subject:
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Hi folks,
I have a gig tomorrow morning recording a recital. It will be a
soprano singing with piano accompaniment.
This will take place in a church with good acoustics, but in very
close proximity to a very noisy intersection.
I have loads of mics in my studio, but as this will be recorded to
dat and the mics are a visual interference to the audience I thought
to only bring a pair of SD Josephsen and a pair of AT 4050.
I have a crosspiece for a mic stand to place the two SD's in an xy out
a short way from the low stage for the vox and could put the two Ld's
in the piano, or I could place the SD's on the piano and use a single
Ld on the vox (again at a bit of distance).
I would experiment, as this is always best, but I have limited time
for setup.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
Paul
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Scott Dorsey
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:49 am Post subject:
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<paul@nospam.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Hi folks,
I have a gig tomorrow morning recording a recital. It will be a
soprano singing with piano accompaniment.
This will take place in a church with good acoustics, but in very
close proximity to a very noisy intersection.
I have loads of mics in my studio, but as this will be recorded to
dat and the mics are a visual interference to the audience I thought
to only bring a pair of SD Josephsen and a pair of AT 4050.
I have a crosspiece for a mic stand to place the two SD's in an xy out
a short way from the low stage for the vox and could put the two Ld's
in the piano, or I could place the SD's on the piano and use a single
Ld on the vox (again at a bit of distance).
I would experiment, as this is always best, but I have limited time
for setup.
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Set up one pair so that the piano sounds good and is balanced with the room.
Then move the soprano around until the soprano is balanced with the piano.
Then press the red button and go.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:13 am Post subject:
Re: recording suggestions sought |
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On 8 Nov 2005 13:49:52 -0500, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
| Quote: | Set up one pair so that the piano sounds good and is balanced with the room.
Then move the soprano around until the soprano is balanced with the piano.
Then press the red button and go.
--scott
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Scott,
I usually get pissed at folks you dis you for short snappy answers
that sound vaguely like "ugh make it sound good then record".
In this case I'm disappointed.
The Soprano will not want to be moved this is primarily a performance.
I was looking for ways to get as little of the street noise as
possible. I figure close micing the piano will help and as I can't
have a LD in front of the singer face, I was wondering which of the
two alternatives I thought of might be better or if there were another
I hadn't thought of. The single stereo pair you suggest is the first
thing I would do if I weren't concerned with the noise level from the
street.
Paul |
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:46 am Post subject:
Re: recording suggestions sought |
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sounds rough. you want an audiophile type of recording, which means
sensitive mics and capturing an amount of the room ambience. but this
very pursuit opens you up to the noise problems of the street.
Algorithmix makes an exceptional noise remover. It's pretty amazing. |
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Scott Dorsey
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:46 am Post subject:
Re: recording suggestions sought |
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<paul@nospam.net> wrote:
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I usually get pissed at folks you dis you for short snappy answers
that sound vaguely like "ugh make it sound good then record".
In this case I'm disappointed.
The Soprano will not want to be moved this is primarily a performance.
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Okay, that totally changes things. If you're going to be doing this
without an audience, by all means you want to be using a single pair.
If you're doing this with an audience, you probably don't.
| Quote: | I was looking for ways to get as little of the street noise as
possible. I figure close micing the piano will help and as I can't
have a LD in front of the singer face, I was wondering which of the
two alternatives I thought of might be better or if there were another
I hadn't thought of. The single stereo pair you suggest is the first
thing I would do if I weren't concerned with the noise level from the
street.
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If you are having to spot-mike things, and you want a close-miked sound,
I'd try putting the vocal spot at about chest level, maybe three feet
in front of the vocalist. Use a small diaphragm mike with a tight
pattern if you can. Add in the piano spots. You will almost certainly
have to add a little fake reverb in order to make the whole thing sound
right, but if the street noise problem is that severe, that may be the way
to go.
The sound you get isn't going to be realistic, but it will probably make
the performers happy.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Carey Carlan
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: recording suggestions sought |
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paul@nospam.net wrote in news:tnq1n1hslq72lp476v4eq0ihv7uu0tv7h8@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Hi folks,
I have a gig tomorrow morning recording a recital. It will be a
soprano singing with piano accompaniment.
This will take place in a church with good acoustics, but in very
close proximity to a very noisy intersection.
I have loads of mics in my studio, but as this will be recorded to
dat and the mics are a visual interference to the audience I thought
to only bring a pair of SD Josephsen and a pair of AT 4050.
I have a crosspiece for a mic stand to place the two SD's in an xy out
a short way from the low stage for the vox and could put the two Ld's
in the piano, or I could place the SD's on the piano and use a single
Ld on the vox (again at a bit of distance).
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Here's a neat trick. Mount your crossbar vertically on a boom mounted
horizontally. Set up your X-Y pair up and down rather than right and left.
Your source (the soprano) is basically a single point, so you won't lose
stereo separation. And as she sways left and right, your stereo image
won't waver. She'll be moving "up" and "down" in your stereo pair.
If you can't move her and your mics can't be too obvious, it's best to
sacrifice some of the piano detail. No one's going to be listening to the
piano anyway (except the accompanist). As long as it balances with her as
it should if the pianist is any good, there will be no complaint. |
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:
Re: recording suggestions sought |
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Thanks to all for your suggestions I off in half an hour to setup.
Wish me luck.
Paul |
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