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AnthonyR
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject:
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Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name) and
a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump cuts
in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
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WRon PBG
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:24 am Post subject:
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I like jump cuts when used in the right way. I'm not exactly sure what
the right way is, but I know it when I see it. I think we're seeing it
more now because of home camcorders and the way people start and stop
their recordings. Or maybe they edit that way on iMovie. Remember the
wobbly all-over hand-held camera shots from the '90s? I hated that,
but there again was an effect influenced by home camcorders.
Ron
http://www.pushbuttongadget.com
AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name) and
a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump cuts
in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR. |
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AnthonyR
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 2:33 am Post subject:
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"WRon PBG" <pbgadget@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I like jump cuts when used in the right way. I'm not exactly sure what
the right way is, but I know it when I see it. I think we're seeing it
more now because of home camcorders and the way people start and stop
their recordings. Or maybe they edit that way on iMovie. Remember the
wobbly all-over hand-held camera shots from the '90s? I hated that,
but there again was an effect influenced by home camcorders.
Ron
http://www.pushbuttongadget.com
Ron, |
Good point about how home camcorder use can influence what we see more of as
effects.
That might make jump cuts more palatable as people see them all the time in
their home videos, true.
I remember the slow fade often signaling a passage of time, but in the use
of several jump cuts over the course
of say a family arguing over dinner, it does let you know material was
removed to shorten the scene, and that was
the point and correct effect in that case. So I guess everything has it's
time and place. :)
Thanks for the reply, nice web site also.
AnthonyR. |
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Jona Vark
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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Anthony..
Jump cuts have been an artistic choice in many films for over ten years.
I have had to do them for directors who insist on them. I only rarely feel
that they fit and can't recall when it was my choice to do one.
"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name)
and
a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump cuts
in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
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ushere
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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usually the result of bad scripting / planning / plotting / shooting / etc.,
but which the under 30's or 'youth' generation seem to think cool.
then again, i'm an old fart who couldn't stand wobble cam unless it was done
professionally - and none of my clients could remotely come close to nypd
for style and scripted camera moves...
leslie
"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Anthony..
Jump cuts have been an artistic choice in many films for over ten
years.
I have had to do them for directors who insist on them. I only rarely feel
that they fit and can't recall when it was my choice to do one.
"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:R55cf.15804$u43.4102@twister.nyc.rr.com...
Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name)
and
a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump
cuts
in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
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Bill Fright
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject:
Re: jump cuts being purposely used in movies now |
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AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name) and
a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump cuts
in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
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I graduated college the same year mtv started and quickly learned that
everything I learned in school was being turned on its ear. Not just
jump cuts but try explaining crossing the plain during a good football game. |
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AnthonyR
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:40 pm Post subject:
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"Bill Fright" <billfright@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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AnthonyR wrote:
Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name)
and a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump
cuts in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
I graduated college the same year mtv started and quickly learned that
everything I learned in school was being turned on its ear. Not just jump
cuts but try explaining crossing the plain during a good football game.
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I appreciate all the input guys, jona, I agree anything can be artistic
nowadays.
And tv uses bad video as effect or illusion often.
Take for example "Commander and Chief" everytime she thinks of the past,
they
over expose the brightness levels of the picture to simulate a bad video
recording from
the past, it would look pretty bad if the whole show was done like that, but
because of that
you know it's from the past.
So I guess consumer video tape influenced this effect also since most
people's home video from a couple
of decades ago looked like this.
I guess any effect is acceptable now as long as you return to quality format
so people can see it was an intentional effect.
Good for coverups also as Leslie noted.
I wonder what bad technique hasn't been used an effect yet?
AnthonyR. |
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Jona Vark
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:01 am Post subject:
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Bill Fright" <billfright@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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AnthonyR wrote:
Hi Guys,
After all these years of knowing how unprofessional jump cuts can make
a
production seem, I see them purposely
being used in movies now to simulate the passage of time. Not sure i
like
it.
The first time I seen it was in a low budget film (can't remember name)
and a friend argued with me that it was bad editing.
I insisted no matter how bad an editor was, he would not allow 4 jump
cuts in one scene and had to be using it as an effect.
Then in a major motion picture I seen recently, "Prime" starring Meryl
Streep again it was used during a dinner scene to signify the passage
of
time.
Have we run out of eye pleasing effects that shocking unpleasing
effects
will now become mainstream?
AnthonyR.
I graduated college the same year mtv started and quickly learned that
everything I learned in school was being turned on its ear. Not just
jump
cuts but try explaining crossing the plain during a good football game.
I appreciate all the input guys, jona, I agree anything can be artistic
nowadays.
And tv uses bad video as effect or illusion often.
Take for example "Commander and Chief" everytime she thinks of the past,
they
over expose the brightness levels of the picture to simulate a bad video
recording from
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Oh..man.. you actually watch that show? Geena Davis looks deformed.. odd..
she used to be attractive.. like.. 20 years ago..
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nobody special
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Geena Davis remains hawt. As to jump cuts, they are more popular than
ever, but I think if you work at it, you could find examples of it as
far back as the twenties. Not many, because it commonly was seen as a
mistake. |
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AnthonyR
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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"nobody special" <msu1049321@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Geena Davis remains hawt. As to jump cuts, they are more popular than
ever, but I think if you work at it, you could find examples of it as
far back as the twenties. Not many, because it commonly was seen as a
mistake.
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Exactly! I seen a movie that used them (to me obviously intentional) but had
an argument with a friend
who insisted because it was a low budget film that they were mistakes, lol
Their is no way, an editor would make 3 jump cuts in one scene by mistake
and no others for the rest of the movie.
i know it was intentional to signify removal of time, but other people view
this as a mistake.
Just like you said they did from the twenties.
Thank You.
AnthonyR.
About Geena Davis, she might have been hotter 20 years ago but still looks
pretty good. :) |
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