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Mac
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
For discussion:

I would like to buy a prime for shooting indoor sports (Volleyball in particular)portraiture and general purpose use. I was having a discussion with a salesman today and he recommended the canon 50mm 1.4. After I left I was thinking, you can't always get closer to the court but you can almost always back away. Considering this lens with a 1.6 factor, doesn't it make more sense to go with the 85?

Also, any opinions on the necessity of hoods indoors?

Thanks, and before any flaming takes place, I have done much research via Google, in groups and on various forums about these and other fine lenses. :)

Thanks in advance.

Mike


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GTO
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
For indoor sports, get a 70-200 lens with VR (or whatever Canon calls their version). Forget about the two fixed focal lenses you mentioned. It's sport, things move. The 85 and 50 are useful for portrait and low-light photography but not for indoor sport.

Gregor
"Mac" <notgoingtohappen@comcast.net> wrote in message news:pNWdnQZqxoG34ezenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@naii.net...
For discussion:

I would like to buy a prime for shooting indoor sports (Volleyball in particular)portraiture and general purpose use. I was having a discussion with a salesman today and he recommended the canon 50mm 1.4. After I left I was thinking, you can't always get closer to the court but you can almost always back away. Considering this lens with a 1.6 factor, doesn't it make more sense to go with the 85?

Also, any opinions on the necessity of hoods indoors?

Thanks, and before any flaming takes place, I have done much research via Google, in groups and on various forums about these and other fine lenses. :)

Thanks in advance.

Mike


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Nick Fotis
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
This old Bob wrote:

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Forget the IS. You will not use it for Volleyball.

Frankly I would get the 70-200 f/4. With a 20D you can shoot ISO 3200 to
increase the shutter speed.

Hm, there are some options since you said 'volleyball' (I made some shots in
Athens Olympics from the spectator seats with my 70-200/2.8L IS and the
1.4x converter).
If you're shooting from the spectator seats, nothing beats a 200mm lens (or
a 70-200), in my opinion. That is, if you want to concentrate on particular
players.

From Canon:
- 200mm/2.8: very nice, sharp and fixed composition
- 70-200/4L: very sharp and easy to handhold, rather OK pricewise
- 70-200/2.8L: excellent optically, hard to come by (out of production)
- 70-200/2.8L IS: nearly excellent, some tendency to flare if you get
headlights toward your camera, pricey

From Sigma:
- 70-200/2.8 EX: Very nice lens, just a bit pricier than Canon's 70-200/4L,
but one stop brighter (and heavier).
- 120-300/2.8 EX: Very nice and fast (light-wise) lens, heavy and pricey
(and don't know how fast it is in focusing).

You have some selections, as I can see. Try to use at least a 70-200/2.8 and
an 70-200/4 lens inside a gymnasium before you decide (probably the extra
stop will be very useful!).

N.Fotis
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Nick Fotis
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
Forgot to add this one:

Sigma 100-300/4 EX: fast focus, good optically, but heavy (not as heavy as
the 120-300/2.8, but still a monopod is necessary).

N.Fotis
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Bob Patton
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
If the volleyball players are moving the IS is not useful.
IS is only good for alleviating camera shake when using a somewhat slow
shutter speed. No good for moving subjects unless you want them to be
blurred.

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"Mike Mc" <mXiYkZemcd@eXcYrZt.com> wrote in message
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I'm curious... why forget the IS. Won't it buy me a couple of stops?
(Canon says 3 stops, right?)

Mike

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Michael C. McDonnell

"This old Bob" <kilbyfan@spamnotmeAOL.com> wrote in message
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Forget the IS. You will not use it for Volleyball.

Frankly I would get the 70-200 f/4. With a 20D you can shoot ISO 3200 to
increase the shutter speed.



"Mike Mc" <mXiYkZemcd@eXcYrZt.com> wrote in message
news:jb-dnY0DZowpyO_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@naii.net...
Thank you for your responses. I guess my third but not last option is the
70-200 L 2.8 IS. But can I just say OH MY GOD about the price!!!!!

More decisions. Like what to sell to afford that lens...

Thanks again.

Mike

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Michael C. McDonnell

"Mac" <notgoingtohappen@comcast.net> wrote in message
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For discussion:

I would like to buy a prime for shooting indoor sports (Volleyball in
particular)portraiture and general purpose use. I was having a discussion
with a salesman today and he recommended the canon 50mm 1.4. After I left I
was thinking, you can't always get closer to the court but you can almost
always back away. Considering this lens with a 1.6 factor, doesn't it make
more sense to go with the 85?

Also, any opinions on the necessity of hoods indoors?

Thanks, and before any flaming takes place, I have done much research via
Google, in groups and on various forums about these and other fine lenses.
:)

Thanks in advance.

Mike


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Stefan Patric
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:31:41 -0500, Mac wrote:

Quote:
I would like to buy a prime for shooting indoor sports (Volleyball in
particular)portraiture and general purpose use. I was having a discussion
with a salesman today and he recommended the canon 50mm 1.4. After I left
I was thinking, you can't always get closer to the court but you can
almost always back away. Considering this lens with a 1.6 factor, doesn't
it make more sense to go with the 85?

Also, any opinions on the necessity of hoods indoors?

Which lens would be optimum, if all you are going to get is one lens,
really depends on how close you can get to the action. If you can get
close to the out-of-bounds line, at play level, then go with the 50. If
you have to shoot from the stands, get the 85, which from spectator-land
would be more of a "normal" than a tele. If you want to get "in"
the action from the stands, a 200 or 300 wouldn't be too long.

The best way to determine what you'll need is to rent or borrow the lenses
in question and run tests at a vollyball match. Or you could test a zoom
with a big range and see which focal length(s) works best, then get the
corresponding fixed lens.

Stefan
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Mike Mc
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: 85mm 1.8 or 50mm 1.4 Reply with quote
I'm curious... why forget the IS. Won't it buy me a couple of stops? (Canon says 3 stops, right?)

Mike

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Michael C. McDonnell

"This old Bob" <kilbyfan@spamnotmeAOL.com> wrote in message news:43727476$0$2746$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
Forget the IS. You will not use it for Volleyball.

Frankly I would get the 70-200 f/4. With a 20D you can shoot ISO 3200 to
increase the shutter speed.



"Mike Mc" <mXiYkZemcd@eXcYrZt.com> wrote in message
news:jb-dnY0DZowpyO_enZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@naii.net...
Thank you for your responses. I guess my third but not last option is the
70-200 L 2.8 IS. But can I just say OH MY GOD about the price!!!!!

More decisions. Like what to sell to afford that lens...

Thanks again.

Mike

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Michael C. McDonnell

"Mac" <notgoingtohappen@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:pNWdnQZqxoG34ezenZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@naii.net...
For discussion:

I would like to buy a prime for shooting indoor sports (Volleyball in
particular)portraiture and general purpose use. I was having a discussion
with a salesman today and he recommended the canon 50mm 1.4. After I left I
was thinking, you can't always get closer to the court but you can almost
always back away. Considering this lens with a 1.6 factor, doesn't it make
more sense to go with the 85?

Also, any opinions on the necessity of hoods indoors?

Thanks, and before any flaming takes place, I have done much research via
Google, in groups and on various forums about these and other fine lenses.
:)

Thanks in advance.

Mike


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