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machinehead
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:
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"Sean" <none> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:17:41 GMT, Jack Zwick <jackzwick@yahoo.com
Yes, I can see Jacks wife now. Spending hours searching for some Dr.
Phil/Oprah/some other pathetic self help show that can give her advice
on how to deal with a loser husband.
It must suck to be her.
Spending hours pouring over the TV listings??? Christ, who does that?
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OTOH, who the hell spends hours posting bullshit to a newsgroup devoted to a
product they don't like and don't use? It must suck even more to be you,
stuck in your parents' basement with no life, no prospects, and a Comcast
DVR.
Ed
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Mike Hunt
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:42 pm Post subject:
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On 2005-11-08, wkearney99 <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If you restart a DirecTV DVR at any hour, program guide data is downloaded
during start up.
Yes, which is damned annoying when the power blips right in the middle of
recording a show. The added delay of downloading that data again is
annoying.
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And that's why many of us have our TiVos plugged into UPSs.
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SINNER
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:39 am Post subject:
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* machinehead wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | OTOH, who the hell spends hours posting bullshit to a newsgroup
devoted to a product they don't like and don't use? It must suck even
more to be you, stuck in your parents' basement with no life, no
prospects, and a Comcast DVR.
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Post of the Month!
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John Theune
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Randy S. wrote:
| Quote: | SINNER wrote:
* machinehead wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
OTOH, who the hell spends hours posting bullshit to a newsgroup
devoted to a product they don't like and don't use? It must suck even
more to be you, stuck in your parents' basement with no life, no
prospects, and a Comcast DVR.
Post of the Month!
My personally favorite part, "stuck ... with ... a Comcast DVR" ;-).
Randy S.
While I'm not supporting he who cannot be named, let's not rag on the |
comcast/moto DVR too much. Until Tivo gets around to making a HD
machine that is not tied to a sat dish, the comcast unit at least allows
me to record HD shows. I have a Tivo upstairs on the SD tv and a
comcast HD DVR on the big screen downstairs. Do I miss the features of
the Tivo? You bet I do. Will I go back to SD signals just to get those
features? No. The comcast unit is usable, not great but usable. Tivo
better get their butts in gear and come out with a dual tuner HID
standalone box soon. If they port the Vivo software to the Motto unit I
think it would be the best of both worlds but I can see where that may
not fit Titos business model.
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Randy S.
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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SINNER wrote:
| Quote: | * machinehead wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
OTOH, who the hell spends hours posting bullshit to a newsgroup
devoted to a product they don't like and don't use? It must suck even
more to be you, stuck in your parents' basement with no life, no
prospects, and a Comcast DVR.
Post of the Month!
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My personally favorite part, "stuck ... with ... a Comcast DVR" ;-).
Randy S. |
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Randy S.
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | While I'm not supporting he who cannot be named, let's not rag on the
comcast/moto DVR too much. Until Tivo gets around to making a HD
machine that is not tied to a sat dish, the comcast unit at least allows
me to record HD shows. I have a Tivo upstairs on the SD tv and a
comcast HD DVR on the big screen downstairs. Do I miss the features of
the Tivo? You bet I do. Will I go back to SD signals just to get those
features? No. The comcast unit is usable, not great but usable. Tivo
better get their butts in gear and come out with a dual tuner HID
standalone box soon. If they port the Vivo software to the Motto unit I
think it would be the best of both worlds but I can see where that may
not fit Titos business model.
John
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But, John, the reality of the situation is that it's most likely the
*cable* companies that are holding up the general use HD Tivo, not Tivo.
I'm sure Tivo would love to get an HD model out by now (even if
initial sales wouldn't be tha high, grabbing the leading edge market and
getting buzz around is important). But they really can't release
anything until they can incorporate Cablecard 2 technology. And the
Cable companies are doing everything they can to delay or kill the final
release and enforcement of that standard.
Randy S. |
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wkearney99
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:06 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | And that's why many of us have our TiVos plugged into UPSs.
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Which is why mine unit is now being shipped back to the factory for repairs.
Worked fine for the two years it was installed. Forutnately it died before
the warranty! |
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John Theune
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:30 pm Post subject:
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Randy S. wrote:
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While I'm not supporting he who cannot be named, let's not rag on the
comcast/moto DVR too much. Until Tivo gets around to making a HD
machine that is not tied to a sat dish, the comcast unit at least
allows me to record HD shows. I have a Tivo upstairs on the SD tv and
a comcast HD DVR on the big screen downstairs. Do I miss the features
of the Tivo? You bet I do. Will I go back to SD signals just to get
those features? No. The comcast unit is usable, not great but
usable. Tivo better get their butts in gear and come out with a dual
tuner HID standalone box soon. If they port the Vivo software to the
Motto unit I think it would be the best of both worlds but I can see
where that may not fit Titos business model.
John
But, John, the reality of the situation is that it's most likely the
*cable* companies that are holding up the general use HD Tivo, not Tivo.
I'm sure Tivo would love to get an HD model out by now (even if initial
sales wouldn't be tha high, grabbing the leading edge market and getting
buzz around is important). But they really can't release anything until
they can incorporate Cablecard 2 technology. And the Cable companies
are doing everything they can to delay or kill the final release and
enforcement of that standard.
Randy S.
What's to keep Tivo from using the same model as now of letting the |
cable box decode the signal and then the Tivo compresses and stores it.
I know that would be a bit of extra work and a loss of signal quality
but it would be offset by being able to get a unit out now.
John |
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Randy S.
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | But, John, the reality of the situation is that it's most likely the
*cable* companies that are holding up the general use HD Tivo, not
Tivo. I'm sure Tivo would love to get an HD model out by now (even if
initial sales wouldn't be tha high, grabbing the leading edge market
and getting buzz around is important). But they really can't release
anything until they can incorporate Cablecard 2 technology. And the
Cable companies are doing everything they can to delay or kill the
final release and enforcement of that standard.
Randy S.
What's to keep Tivo from using the same model as now of letting the
cable box decode the signal and then the Tivo compresses and stores it.
I know that would be a bit of extra work and a loss of signal quality
but it would be offset by being able to get a unit out now.
John
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If I remember correctly (this discussion's been gone over a couple times
here), the Tivo would have to have component inputs (most likely) to
record analog HD. The data rate for analog HD is *huge* and isn't
really feasible to store. It's much more feasible to store the digital
signal. But the cable box doesn't (and won't) output that, and right
now it's not even standard. That's where cablecard comes in, with a
cablecard the Tivo can store and later decode the original digital
signal in a much reduced amt of required storage space.
Randy S. |
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Chris Adams
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:
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Once upon a time, John Theune <JTheune@verizon.net> said:
| Quote: | What's to keep Tivo from using the same model as now of letting the
cable box decode the signal and then the Tivo compresses and stores it.
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Real-time high definition compressors are rather expensive. Would you
buy an HD TiVo if it cost $5000?
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Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
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John Theune
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject:
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Chris Adams wrote:
| Quote: | Once upon a time, John Theune <JTheune@verizon.net> said:
What's to keep Tivo from using the same model as now of letting the
cable box decode the signal and then the Tivo compresses and stores it.
Real-time high definition compressors are rather expensive. Would you
buy an HD TiVo if it cost $5000?
But I have to wonder, if Motorola can make a DVR/cable box at a price |
point that allows Comcast to rent the box for $10 more then the plain
cable box, why can't Tivo do the same thing. I think the Comcast Tivo
deal shows that Comcast believes in the value of the Tivo software. I
guess part of my question is this: Is the deal really with Comcast or
is it with Motorola? I would think that Tivo making the deal with Moto
would have the advantage of allowing Moto to sell the boxes to other
cable companies, not just Comcast. |
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Seth
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:17 am Post subject:
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"John Theune" <JTheune@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, John Theune <JTheune@verizon.net> said:
What's to keep Tivo from using the same model as now of letting the cable
box decode the signal and then the Tivo compresses and stores it.
Real-time high definition compressors are rather expensive. Would you
buy an HD TiVo if it cost $5000?
But I have to wonder, if Motorola can make a DVR/cable box at a price
point that allows Comcast to rent the box for $10 more then the plain
cable box, why can't Tivo do the same thing. I think the Comcast Tivo
deal shows that Comcast believes in the value of the Tivo software. I
guess part of my question is this: Is the deal really with Comcast or is
it with Motorola? I would think that Tivo making the deal with Moto would
have the advantage of allowing Moto to sell the boxes to other cable
companies, not just Comcast.
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The cable company DVR doesn't have a real time HD Compression engine as it
is able to record the proprietary/compressed stream as it comes in. that's
where Cablecard comes in. Takes proprietary out of the equation giving
anybody access to the compressed data stream. |
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Jeff Rife
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:
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Randy S. (rswitt@nospam.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | If I remember correctly (this discussion's been gone over a couple times
here), the Tivo would have to have component inputs (most likely) to
record analog HD. The data rate for analog HD is *huge* and isn't
really feasible to store.
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I have found a PCI card that takes HD (or SD) component input and compresses
in real time to MPEG-2 for less than $1500, so it is now finally in the
realm of "possible, but still very pricey" (as opposed to the $5,000
PCI solutions that existed before and weren't generally available to the
public).
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Joe Smith
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject:
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abay wrote:
| Quote: | Consider me a rank newbie. Would someone kindly tell me just what TiVo
does -- that I can't already do with my VCR? What are the advantages
(if any) to VCR, and disadvantages (if any)?
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Advantage to VCR: zero cost if you already have the hardware.
Before TiVo: Set up the VCR to record favorite show in case
unable to get back home in time. Get home 10 minutes late,
VCR is recording OK, but have to wait 50 minutes until the
recording stops, then wait to rewind the tape before watching
the show.
After TiVo: just press one button to jump back to the beginning
of the show; watch the show while it is still being recorded.
Fast-forward through the commercials and catch up to realtime.
My wife has a Wish List for actor Harrison Ford. One day TiVo
pointed out that Harrison had a small part in Gunsmoke which
was showing in the TVLand channel. This level of detail is
not something you get from the Sunday TV listings.
Go to http://www.zap2it.com/ to see what sort of information
is available in the EPG (electronic program guide).
-Joe |
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abay
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:07 am Post subject:
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| My thanks to all of you. I got my answer, and a laugh or two to boot. |
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