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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Hi, I'm looking for a small vocal amp for a jazz trio. It just has to
get loud enough to have the vocals easily heard over a drumset. Any
ideas?
thanks.
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Pooh Bear
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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imthemanbehindthedrums@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi, I'm looking for a small vocal amp for a jazz trio. It just has to
get loud enough to have the vocals easily heard over a drumset. Any
ideas?
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By 'vocal amp' it sounds to me like you're thinking of the typical 'PA
head'.
These things are by now well-dated and offer indifferent results. Don't
bother with one.
You'd do better to look at powered speakers ( they have an inbuilt
amplifier and can accept a single mic directly ) or a powered mixer ( mixer
with inbuilt amp ).
Graham |
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TimPerry
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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<imthemanbehindthedrums@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Hi, I'm looking for a small vocal amp for a jazz trio. It just has to
get loud enough to have the vocals easily heard over a drumset. Any
ideas?
thanks.
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you might try a couple powered speakers and a small mixer. maybe something
like this http://www.yorkville.com/products.asp?type=29&cat=4&id=56
this way as your needs change you can swap mixers / effects without much
loss.
i own a pair of unpowered y-115. they are a good all round light weight
general purpose speaker. |
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Joe Kesselman
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: vocal amp |
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imthemanbehindthedrums@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Hi, I'm looking for a small vocal amp for a jazz trio. It just has to
get loud enough to have the vocals easily heard over a drumset. Any
ideas?
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Almost any small amp-and-speaker combo would have enough juice for that.
Try things out -- including trying different microphones -- until you
find one that has a sound you like?
Alternatively, teach the singer how to project and the drummer how to
play behind other performers... If you can't balance a trio without
mechanical assist, you probably need more rehearsal time. |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject:
Re: vocal amp |
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| Quote: | Alternatively, teach the singer how to project and the drummer how to
play behind other performers... If you can't balance a trio without
mechanical assist, you probably need more rehearsal time.
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that's just ridiculous, its not just the band but the room noise. |
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Saxology
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
Re: vocal amp |
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<imthemanbehindthedrums@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Alternatively, teach the singer how to project and the drummer how to
play behind other performers... If you can't balance a trio without
mechanical assist, you probably need more rehearsal time.
that's just ridiculous, its not just the band but the room noise.
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Thtat wasn't how you stated it. Your claim was the the vocal was covered by
the drummer, not the room noise. Had you stated your probelm as needing SR
for a loud venue you would have gotten a diffferent respones. Most likely
the response would have had the following questions:
1. Vocal, Drum and what else?
2. Venue/size
3. Budget
As these details were left out it was easy to assume that your problem was
just as simple as you stated. After amping the vocals, you might find a
need to reinfirce something else. That would change the answers many would
give you.
A better posed question would get answers that address your real problem
more directly. The response above is not ridiculous at all. This happen
all the time.. tell the drummer to tone it down, turn down the guitar amp,
etc......
-Sax |
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william
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Peter Larsen
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:03 am Post subject:
Re: vocal amp |
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imthemanbehindthedrums@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Alternatively, teach the singer how to project and the drummer
how to play behind other performers... If you can't balance a
trio withou mechanical assist, you probably need more rehearsal
time.
that's just ridiculous, its not just the band but the room noise.
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In the Brahm's "Ein Deutches Requiem" performance I recently helped
record on Kronborg the two soloists matched a 60 piece symphonic
orchestra and an 80 piece choir.
That said, yes, amplification can be helpful in terms of creating a
specific sound by adding reverb, but it is not required for simple
audibility in case the singer can actually SING. Learning to project is
btw. also required for sounding good with amplification. The sound
advice to the singer, any singer, any genre, is: classical tuition, at
the very least the basics. It will ease the work later on and reduce the
risk of voicebox problems on long tours. Not smoking any kind of smoke
also helps.
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
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Joe Kesselman
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Peter Larsen wrote:
| Quote: | Not smoking any kind of smoke also helps.
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Staying hydrated also helps; dry vocal chords don't work as well and are
easier to damage, and singing pumps a lot of air over them... So if
possible, also avoid caffeine, alcohol, and herbal teas containing
hibiscus (which unfortunately includes a lot of Celetial Seasonings'
products). Most other herbal teas/juices should be OK.
(Yeah, I know. Some folks can't find the courage to sing without a few
irish coffees in them. Know the risks and pick your trade-offs.)
.... Offtopic, but if you're running sound it's worth understanding the
needs of the performers. Voice is an instrument and needs to be
maintained like one. |
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:17 am Post subject:
Re: vocal amp |
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| thanks for helping me re-word my question. |
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:19 am Post subject:
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| that's for the suggestion, i'll check out that amp. |
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