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P. Lee
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:49 am    Post subject: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

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Dave Gower
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

"P. Lee" <pstudy@netzero.net> wrote in message
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My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

Right now Toshiba and Sony are locked in a fight over the future of HD
recording. It looks like Sony with their Bluray technology will win. The
first sets are scheduled to be available for sale outside Japan early next
year. All we can do is wait.
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Curmudgeon
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:48 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

Dave Gower wrote:
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"P. Lee" <pstudy@netzero.net> wrote in message
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My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.


It looks like Sony with their Bluray technology will win.


that's what they said about the Betamax...I for one won't buy until

there's a clear cut winner...I don't need anymore expensive boat anchors
and my DISH HD DVR records just fine, thank you.
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Z Man
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:51 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

"P. Lee" <pstudy@netzero.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

You can record HDTV shows right now, but only on a computer. As an
alternative, you can download just about all popular network shows at
alt.binaries.multimedia. They are generally available a day or so after they
are broadcast. You can play them back in HDTV format, with DD5.1 sound,
using a home theatre computer (HTPC), such as the Hewlett Packard z545. Most
such shows are in xvid or divx format, and codecs are readily available.
They work great with Windows Media Center Edition 2005.
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Wes Newell
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0800, P. Lee wrote:

Quote:
My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

With a HD recorder. Personally, I'm putting my own together with a PC and
will hopefully end up with 4 tuners so i can record 4 shows at once. Just
got the first tuner a few days ago. I'm actually thinking of custom
building them once I get to know it a little better. A single tuner
ATSC/NTSC should run about $800 (monitor not included).

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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

"Curmudgeon" <curmudgeon@buzzoff.net> wrote

Quote:
that's what they said about the Betamax...I for one won't buy until
there's a clear cut winner...I don't need anymore expensive boat anchors
and my DISH HD DVR records just fine, thank you.

There's a lot of people feel that way, and it makes sense. But your PVR
(that's what you meant, wasn't it?) doesn't record in true HD quality as far
as I am aware.
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afiggatt
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

P. Lee wrote:
Quote:
My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

Standard VCRs are already obsolete. DVD recorders will stay around for
quite a while as downconverted HD to DVD quality should look pretty good.

As already posted, D-VHS will record HD. But D-VHS never took off and
now never will.

The way most people currently record HD TV is with a HD DVR. If you
get cable, you rent it from the cable company. For satellite, you may
buy or lease one. But the cable HD DVRs tend to be very limited in the
ability to save the recorded show anywhere. That doesn't bother me much
as the main reason for having a HD DVR to record a show for watching the
next day or to be able to skim through the commercial breaks (or lame
parts of the movie).

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are on the horizon with players to hit the market
in early to mid-2006. But I expect we will see so much hassle in the way
of copy protection schemes & broadcast flags that it will be a real pain
to figure out how to save a broadcast network show to a disk for long
term storage. Which will make the networks and the studios happy.

Alan
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Charles LaBella
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

Comcast's Motorola 6412 and 6412 phase3 w/HDMI output can !
If you have Comcast HDTV digital service.
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Jeff Rife
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
Quote:
You can record HDTV shows right now, but only on a computer.

That's not true. You can record HDTV using D-VHS with FireWire inputs.

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Curmudgeon
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

Dave Gower wrote:
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"Curmudgeon" <curmudgeon@buzzoff.net> wrote


that's what they said about the Betamax...I for one won't buy until
there's a clear cut winner...I don't need anymore expensive boat anchors
and my DISH HD DVR records just fine, thank you.


There's a lot of people feel that way, and it makes sense. But your PVR
(that's what you meant, wasn't it?) doesn't record in true HD quality as far
as I am aware.


Dish and Directv both offer true HD-PVR's
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ron
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:31 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0800, "P. Lee" wrote:

Quote:
My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
in a few years.

Are you saying here that there is no output from a standard HD cable
box (we have Time Warner)that can be put into a standard DVD recorder
or VCR, even if you are satisfied with recording in "low definition"?

Thanks

Ron
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:38 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:37:56 -0500 Dave Gower <davegow-spamblock@magma.ca> wrote:

| "P. Lee" <pstudy@netzero.net> wrote in message
| news:T%tbf.2797$Cw4.1625@fe03.lga...
|> My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
|> channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
|> in a few years.
|
| Right now Toshiba and Sony are locked in a fight over the future of HD
| recording. It looks like Sony with their Bluray technology will win. The
| first sets are scheduled to be available for sale outside Japan early next
| year. All we can do is wait.

At least this time Sony knows that one cannot simply assume that the
better technology always gets to win, and that even the better technology
has to have active "social" efforts to position it on top in the market.

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:44 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:38:47 -0500 Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

| Z Man (z1z@hotmail.com) wrote in alt.tv.tech.hdtv:
|> You can record HDTV shows right now, but only on a computer.
|
| That's not true. You can record HDTV using D-VHS with FireWire inputs.

So long as Digital Rights Mismanagement features don't screw your fair use
rights and block output by the Firewire means. Expect more and more of
that as the Broadcast Flog gets voted in and thoroughly utilized. Even
the potential alternative of re-compressiong analog output will probably
be screwed by content industry (screwing a lot of people who are merely
handling the content they have created for themselves, too).

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:41:22 GMT Wes Newell <w.newell@takeoutverizon.net> wrote:
| On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 12:49:55 -0800, P. Lee wrote:
|
|> My Sony DVD recorder only has S-Video input. How does one record HDTV
|> channels? Seems like all VCRs and DVD-Recorders are going to be obsolete
|> in a few years.
|
| With a HD recorder. Personally, I'm putting my own together with a PC and
| will hopefully end up with 4 tuners so i can record 4 shows at once. Just
| got the first tuner a few days ago. I'm actually thinking of custom
| building them once I get to know it a little better. A single tuner
| ATSC/NTSC should run about $800 (monitor not included).

I'm looking for a tuner card that does BOTH ATSC and NTSC (compression
optional for the NTSC source), and can work under Linux (at minimum, open
SW/HW interface specs so someone could write drives, if no open source
ones presently exist). Doing QAM and COFDM, and 100% frequency agile,
would be a nice plus. Note that closed specs and closed source drivers
are not what I want (even though I could reverse engineer the driver ... I
don't want to have to do that).

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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:58 am    Post subject: Re: How to record HDTV shows? Reply with quote

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:11:01 -0500 afiggatt <afiggatt@adelphia.net> wrote:

| The way most people currently record HD TV is with a HD DVR. If you
| get cable, you rent it from the cable company. For satellite, you may
| buy or lease one. But the cable HD DVRs tend to be very limited in the
| ability to save the recorded show anywhere. That doesn't bother me much
| as the main reason for having a HD DVR to record a show for watching the
| next day or to be able to skim through the commercial breaks (or lame
| parts of the movie).
|
| Blu-Ray and HD-DVD are on the horizon with players to hit the market
| in early to mid-2006. But I expect we will see so much hassle in the way
| of copy protection schemes & broadcast flags that it will be a real pain
| to figure out how to save a broadcast network show to a disk for long
| term storage. Which will make the networks and the studios happy.

Some of us would like to delay the movie until a sufficient complemet of
friends and relatives have combined, usually at holidays. That means
probably a year retention. That means retaining a very large selection
over quite a number of hard drives (or a few very large ones). Currently
PVR choices don't come close.

And yes, I know that advertizer supported movies on free OTA are
effectively not getting any support from me even if I watch the ads, as
many of them are time dependent (for example the ads promoting a
theatrical release of a movie). Sadly, it is the viewer-paid programming
that would work best, and be paid for (I'm not trying to steal content ...
I just want to view it under my own terms), that is being the most target
to take away all viewer fair use rights.

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