Recording snare drum techniques...???
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

Hi,

We want to get some input from you if you have experience recording snare
drums.

We plan to vary the ambience, muting, baffling etc and would like to know
any tips you may have.

Looking for a tight sound, no ring or tinny.

Type of heads, stick tips and snares of interest, we want to work with the
unit we have, it is a moderately priced

-bg-

www.lchb.ca

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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

1) ringing has nothing to do with recording - if you're getting a
ringing sound, take a piece of 1inch by 1inch felt or flannel and tape
it to the drum head close to the edge and as far away as possible from
the drummer as possible.
2) A tinny sound is a result of tuning - read up on some tuning tips at
www.tigerbill.com
3) How do you plan on varying the ambience - with room mics or with
reverb after the fact?
4) Mic choice is important - the least expensive mic you should use is
the Shure SM-57. In fact, it may be the only mic to record a snare
with.
5) As far as sticks and tips, you'll have to experiment to see what
works best.

I hope this helps

Thomas
http://www.yourhomestudio.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

Make sure you like how the snare is tuned before you record. This is
the most important part of getting a good drum sound. Once you get a
good tone to your ears then determine how the drummer plays as far
dynamics go and then go to recording it. It depends on what kind of
music you're going to record and how hard the drummer plays. If its
harder edged music and the drummer beats the shit out of the snare then
use a SM-57 on top and another below to get more snap on the snare,
also make sure you flip the phase on the bottom mic. If there are
other parts of the song when the drummer softens up on the snare you
can put a condenser like a KM-184 above the top 57 to open things up a
little. The Hi hat bleed is also nicer in the KM-184. I've even put a
KM-184 on the side sound hole of the snare only a half inch away with
great results. I've done this a lot on metal records when there's the
melodic breakdown and things get pretty all of a sudden. But the
bottom line is that you'll just have to experiment to get the sound you
want, That's what makes it fun....Good Luck!
Austin Storms
Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

I think we need to define "tuning" also.

This should be done in reference to the key of the song. Play the song
while you tune the drum so it is hitting in key or a harmonic of the
key of the song, let your ears be the judge.

Maybe divide your session up to songs of the same keys (3 songs in A
Major, retune 2 songs in F# Major etc...)

I would suggest wrapping the snare mike in some foam in a tubular or
conical fashion (something to block out other sounds) and get it close
to the drum head. This will save you time with gating the hi hat out
later.

Tune that kick drum head to the key of the song too, if you want your
mix to sound fat.

Do you know how to find the key of a song? About 95% of the time it is
the last chord/note of a song.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

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Quote:
I think we need to define "tuning" also.

This should be done in reference to the key of the song. Play the song
while you tune the drum so it is hitting in key or a harmonic of the
key of the song, let your ears be the judge.

Oh? I've never had drummers actually want to tune a snare to a specific
key - just to a pitch that sounds right with the overall feel of the song
(my experience is that a tight snare or a looser snare is more dependent on
the vibe and the speed of the song rather than the key).
Quote:

Maybe divide your session up to songs of the same keys (3 songs in A
Major, retune 2 songs in F# Major etc...)

Umm, I can think of a few reasons one might want to do that, but the snare
drum one of the reasons - it takes less than 30 seconds to change the pitch
on a snare.
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I would suggest wrapping the snare mike in some foam in a tubular or
conical fashion (something to block out other sounds) and get it close
to the drum head. This will save you time with gating the hi hat out
later.

In 30 years of playing on (or engineering) sessions, I've never wrapped the
snare mic in anything.
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Tune that kick drum head to the key of the song too, if you want your
mix to sound fat.

More lovely advice that I've never, ever, EVER seen done on a session. With
all due respect, have you ever recorded drums?


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Dave Martin
Nashville, TN

Java Jive Studio www.javajivestudio.com
Cuppa Joe Records www.cuppajoerecords.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Re: Recording snare drum techniques...??? Reply with quote

Quote:
This should be done in reference to the key of the song. Play the song
while you tune the drum so it is hitting in key or a harmonic of the
key of the song, let your ears be the judge.

IMHO I have to disagree.... If the snare is in tune it tends to blend with
other instruments and there is a good possibility that it will mask and it
will be masked by other sounds.
I really love "out of tune" snares expectially when they're one tone (one
second) upper than the song key. Just listen to some Red Hot Chili Peppers
songs from Blood Sugar Sex Magic.....
F.
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