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Lorin David Schultz
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:19 am Post subject:
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I'm very grateful to everyone who chooses to share their experience
here, but I would be even more grateful if everyone took the extra
couple of seconds to trim down the post to which they're replying.
It's frustrating to scroll through page after page of quoted text to
find a two line response. Sometimes I can't even understand the reply,
because I can't figure out which part of the ten page quote the writer
is responding to.
I now just skip any post that doesn't have new content within the first
screen.
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"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good
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blackburst@aol.com
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:22 am Post subject:
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Lorin:
I did that in a hot debate on another NG and got accused of "snipping".
But I agree with you. Why not cut the bandwidth a bit? If the reader
wants more of the original post, they can go back earlier in the
thread.
Lorin David Schultz wrote:
| Quote: | I'm very grateful to everyone who chooses to share their experience
here, but I would be even more grateful if everyone took the extra
couple of seconds to trim down the post to which they're replying.
It's frustrating to scroll through page after page of quoted text to
find a two line response. Sometimes I can't even understand the reply,
because I can't figure out which part of the ten page quote the writer
is responding to.
I now just skip any post that doesn't have new content within the first
screen.
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"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good
(Remove spamblock to reply) |
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JP Gerard
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:32 am Post subject:
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OK
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John L Rice
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:53 am Post subject:
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Actually, if everyone would get over the antiquated practice of bottom
posting, down scrolling wouldn't be an issue.
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John L Rice
www.DeliriumFix.com
<blackburst@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Lorin:
I did that in a hot debate on another NG and got accused of "snipping".
But I agree with you. Why not cut the bandwidth a bit? If the reader
wants more of the original post, they can go back earlier in the
thread.
Lorin David Schultz wrote:
I'm very grateful to everyone who chooses to share their experience
here, but I would be even more grateful if everyone took the extra
couple of seconds to trim down the post to which they're replying.
It's frustrating to scroll through page after page of quoted text to
find a two line response. Sometimes I can't even understand the reply,
because I can't figure out which part of the ten page quote the writer
is responding to.
I now just skip any post that doesn't have new content within the first
screen.
--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good
(Remove spamblock to reply)
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Pooh Bear
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:
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John L Rice wrote:
| Quote: | Actually, if everyone would get over the antiquated practice of bottom
posting, down scrolling wouldn't be an issue.
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Top posting is fine for a quick one liner type response such as yours here,
although if a response is likely then already it gets very messy ( see I had
to cut the original content so as to make it clear whom I'm replying to ).
It doesn't make sense at all for something more involved though.
Selective trimming with interspersed replies is the best solution there.
Graham |
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John L Rice
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:25 am Post subject:
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"Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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John L Rice wrote:
Actually, if everyone would get over the antiquated practice of bottom
posting, down scrolling wouldn't be an issue.
Top posting is fine for a quick one liner type response such as yours
here,
although if a response is likely then already it gets very messy ( see I
had
to cut the original content so as to make it clear whom I'm replying to ).
It doesn't make sense at all for something more involved though.
Selective trimming with interspersed replies is the best solution there.
Graham
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It gets messy because some people top post and other bottom post. Top
posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why? Because
it's more efficient. Bottom posting and trimming is considered the proper
way for Usenet, and that is because when it started, most people had tiny
hard drives in slow computers and they connected with low baud rate dial up
modems. I've had a high speed connection for over five years with
relatively huge hard drives so I really have no sympathy for people using
crappy computers and crappy connection anymore.
Now, I'm not totally against trimming if people insist on bottom posting, in
fact, I'd say it's a requirement in that situation. But bottom posting
annoys me almost as much as people who respond to emails and give answers to
questions without quoting the original context.
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John L Rice
www.DeliriumFix.com |
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Mike Rivers
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:30 am Post subject:
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blackburst@aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | I did that in a hot debate on another NG and got accused of "snipping".
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Fuck 'em. And if it was Phil Allison who accused you of "snipping" (he
does that whenever he wants to say the same thing again) then fuck him
twice. <g> |
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blackburst@aol.com
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:28 am Post subject:
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BOTTOM POST (Sorry, John!)
Mike Rivers wrote:
| Quote: | blackburst@aol.com wrote:
I did that in a hot debate on another NG and got accused of "snipping".
Fuck 'em. And if it was Phil Allison who accused you of "snipping" (he
does that whenever he wants to say the same thing again) then fuck him
twice. <g
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Nah, it was in a political-historical group. And it was one of those
arguments that just goes on for days and, and the bandwidth just
increases exponentially. And both I and my worthy "adversary" were
compelled to respond to every single line. Hey, rec.audio.pro is tame
by comparison.
With due respect to Kohn Rice, I find it easier to read a carefully
snipped post, where one quotes the point they're responding to, then
responds. I HATE wading through a post with thousands of
But then, I'm also an analog guy... |
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Richard Crowley
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Kurt Albershardt" wrote ...
| Quote: | John L Rice wrote:
Top posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why?
Because it's more efficient.
No, it's the standard because that's how Microsoft did it.
Most corporate networks do not have bandwidth constraints, so
forwarding and re-forwarding hundreds of kilobytes of blather is not
such a big deal. Coming into a discussion mid-stream I would *much*
rather have proper selective quoting that helps me understand the
conversation flow without having to go back and read 3-5 minutes worth
of earlier posts backwards.
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Amen Brother! I've sent 3-page emails back to the sender
asking where the important content was located. At least
here in the text-only newsgroups we don't have people
attaching MSWord or PowerPoint "documents" with five
lines of text in them. I send those back, too. |
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Mike Rivers
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Kurt Albershardt wrote:
| Quote: | Top posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why?
Because it's more efficient.
No, it's the standard because that's how Microsoft did it.
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But there's a cursor. You can put it wherever you want and delete what
you don't want to quote, and write your response wherever you want. I'm
posting from Google these days and it quotes the whole original
message, but I take control. I don't just start writing at the bottom
of the message.
It seems so obvious to me. Do I have to write a manual? |
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Kurt Albershardt
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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John L Rice wrote:
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It gets messy because some people top post and other bottom post.
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Agreed.
| Quote: | Top posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why?
Because it's more efficient.
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No, it's the standard because that's how Microsoft did it.
Most corporate networks do not have bandwidth constraints, so forwarding
and re-forwarding hundreds of kilobytes of blather is not such a big
deal. Coming into a discussion mid-stream I would *much* rather have
proper selective quoting that helps me understand the conversation flow
without having to go back and read 3-5 minutes worth of earlier posts
backwards. |
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Pooh Bear
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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John L Rice wrote:
| Quote: | "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:436D2D88.3012FB3D@hotmail.com...
John L Rice wrote:
Actually, if everyone would get over the antiquated practice of bottom
posting, down scrolling wouldn't be an issue.
Top posting is fine for a quick one liner type response such as yours
here,
although if a response is likely then already it gets very messy ( see I
had
to cut the original content so as to make it clear whom I'm replying to ).
It doesn't make sense at all for something more involved though.
Selective trimming with interspersed replies is the best solution there.
Graham
It gets messy because some people top post and other bottom post. Top
posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why? Because
it's more efficient.
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May make sense if the recipient is already familiar with the entire previous
content. Which may be fine and totally appropriate in a commercial context.
| Quote: | Bottom posting and trimming is considered the proper
way for Usenet, and that is because when it started, most people had tiny
hard drives in slow computers and they connected with low baud rate dial up
modems. I've had a high speed connection for over five years with
relatively huge hard drives so I really have no sympathy for people using
crappy computers and crappy connection anymore.
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I don't see how the speed of a pc is the issue at all.
Bottom posting ( and interspersed text ) makes sense where you want to pick up
an thread without having to read every other damn single post that went before !
| Quote: | Now, I'm not totally against trimming if people insist on bottom posting, in
fact, I'd say it's a requirement in that situation. But bottom posting
annoys me almost as much as people who respond to emails and give answers to
questions without quoting the original context.
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Answers with original content trimmed are infuriating indeed.
Graham |
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Ben Bradley
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On 5 Nov 2005 17:46:07 -0800, "Mike Rivers" <mrivers@d-and-d.com>
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Kurt Albershardt wrote:
Top posting and no trimming is the standard for corporate use. Why?
Because it's more efficient.
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I would have thought good, readable communication was more
efficient.
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No, it's the standard because that's how Microsoft did it.
But there's a cursor. You can put it wherever you want
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But as you know, (too) many people just start typing right where
the cursor is. Those arrow keys are strange to them, and it's WORK to
learn how to use them. If the cursor were put at the bottom, there
would be complaints from others (who do the same thing) that one has
to scroll down to the end of the message, all the way past the sig
even, to read the response.
| Quote: | and delete what
you don't want to quote, and write your response wherever you want. I'm
posting from Google these days and it quotes the whole original
message, but I take control. I don't just start writing at the bottom
of the message.
It seems so obvious to me. Do I have to write a manual?
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No, it's already written, done many years ago, and I wouldn't be
surprised if you participated in writing it. :)
It's called netiquette (you can Google for that). There's also
something written under the name Emily Postnews, but that was written
as satire, and the way some people write on "Teh InterWeb" you'd think
they took her literally. |
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Richard Crowley
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:
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On 2005-11-05 Lorin@DAMNSPAM!v5v.ca said:
| Quote: | I'm very grateful to everyone who chooses to share their experience
here, but I would be even more grateful if everyone took the extra
couple of seconds to trim down the post to which they're replying.
I now just skip any post that doesn't have new content within the
first screen.
Been working under that guiding principle with usenet |
messages for years . Between all the header stuff and the
software brag lines I find myself stopping the speech
software and looking at the last couple lines of the first
screen. IF there's new content there we find the start of
new content and read on. IF not ... you can guess the rest.
Richard WEbb,
Electric SPider Productions
Replace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real
email address. |
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