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Jimmy Duncan
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 9:55 pm Post subject:
Fastest way to make your Martin Guitar sound like a tin can? |
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Record it with a Studio Projects C1..................
Actually, here's an even faster way! Record it with an AKG C1000.
I know most of you know this already but these are the only two mics I have
access to right now and it's so painful.
Shrieking pitched up highs!!! Totally annoying, and I've placed those mics
in every possible position except for the final resting place they so
rightfully deserve.
Jimmy
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Paul Stamler
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 1:04 am Post subject:
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"Jimmy Duncan" <JimmyDuncan@shaw.caJunkMailDeterrent> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Record it with a Studio Projects C1..................
Actually, here's an even faster way! Record it with an AKG C1000.
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Put a sweatsock over the C1, preferably a clean one. Throw out the C1000, or
sell it to a drummer.
Peace,
Paul |
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:25 am Post subject:
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Paul Stamler wrote:
| Quote: | Throw out the C1000, or
sell it to a drummer.
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Or hit him with it. Use it as overhead on a swinging boom and when he
plays the fill that ruins the time swing it into his head. Repeat as
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Harry Houdini
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 12:29 am Post subject:
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A couple of thoughts:
1) Better mics and preamps might help. Be careful not to pair a bright
mic with a bright preamp for an acoustic guitar like a Martin.
Before throwing any money at the problem, you might want to consider:
2) Are you trying to play and record by yourself? It really helps to
have someone play your guitar for you while you move them around in
the room. Try moving the player around in the room until the sound is
softer (but not muddy). Then, With a good pair of closed headphones
on, move the mic around to find the sweet spot. (There are lots of
resources on the Net describing how to do this.) Getting a great sound
is hard work!
3) Have you looked into the quality of your AC? In my case, this was
important. I find that lots of harmonic distortion (more than 4%) and
significant fluctuations in voltage (+/- 3%) can make the top end
really screechy.
This kind of investigation would be involved, though.
A sign that your AC situation is problematic would be lots of
computers hooked up to the main power line - and not just in your
place. The guy three doors down from you running a 3D rendering farm
can introduce a lot of distortion into the line that *you* would
notice. In my experience, a computer (or anything using using a
switched mode power supply) adds about a percentage point to your AC
THD. Not a very fun prospect, I know.
Have you tried recording during the weekends, late at night, etc?
These are generally better times to listen/record as fewer people are
taking bites out of the power.
Also, don't fall into the *Power Conditioner* trap - these things,
unless really good quality, can add harshness to your recordings.
Avoid UPS too (uninterruptible power supply).
4) Your monitoring set-up can also cause your sound to seem harsh. Are
your monitors sitting on your desk? If so, do other pro recordings of
acoustic guitar sound harsh on your system? The reflections from your
desk, walls around you, etc, could be contributing to your perception
of harshness. Again, not a fun prospect. Have you evaluated your
recordings on other systems?
Let us know how it turns out!
On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:55:02 GMT, "Jimmy Duncan"
<JimmyDuncan@shaw.caJunkMailDeterrent> wrote:
| Quote: | Record it with a Studio Projects C1..................
Actually, here's an even faster way! Record it with an AKG C1000.
I know most of you know this already but these are the only two mics I have
access to right now and it's so painful.
Shrieking pitched up highs!!! Totally annoying, and I've placed those mics
in every possible position except for the final resting place they so
rightfully deserve.
Jimmy
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Jimmy Duncan
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:22 am Post subject:
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Wow, thanks for the response.
| Quote: | 1) Better mics and preamps might help. Be careful not to pair a bright
mic with a bright preamp for an acoustic guitar like a Martin.
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I have a Mackie 1202 VLZ. I know it's not the best but are the Preamps
considered bright?
| Quote: | 2) Are you trying to play and record by yourself? It really helps to have
someone play your guitar for you while you move them around in the room.
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I did a spinoff of this. I mounted the mic, put my headphones on, and with
my guitar strapped on I moved around the mic. I also just tried many of the
suggested mic positions.
| Quote: | 3) Have you looked into the quality of your AC?
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This I have not considered much. I have two PC's in the house and then the
rest of the household appliances using the AC.
| Quote: | Also, don't fall into the *Power Conditioner* trap
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How much would one have to spend? I considered a Monster Power 3500 once but
didn't buy one.
http://www.music123.com/Monster-Power-Pro-3500-i126892.music
| Quote: | 4) Your monitoring set-up can also cause your sound to seem harsh. Are
your monitors sitting on your desk? |
Yes, I have Dynaudio BM6's with a Hafler P3000.
| Quote: | If so, do other pro recordings of acoustic guitar sound harsh on your
system?
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No, they sound great. I even pulled the latest RAP CD's and listened to any
tunes with acoustic instruments. They're great.
| Quote: | The reflections from your desk, walls around you, etc, could be
contributing to your perception of harshness.
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I think I have taken care of this. My room is roughly 12' x 20' x 8' high. I
treated it as per Ethan Winers recommendations. I have 20 absorbtion panels
made from Owens Corning 703 spread around the room. The room is great to jam
in. It has a laminate floor, too.
One thing I haven't tried yet is the Sock!
Jimmy |
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Ricky Hunt
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Jimmy Duncan" <JimmyDuncan@shaw.caJunkMailDeterrent> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Wow, thanks for the response.
1) Better mics and preamps might help. Be careful not to pair a bright
mic with a bright preamp for an acoustic guitar like a Martin.
I have a Mackie 1202 VLZ. I know it's not the best but are the Preamps
considered bright?
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They are "sterile". That combined with the overly bright C1 might not sound
great on some sources. |
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SSJVCmag
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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AKG C535
Buy 2
On 11/5/05 10:55 AM, in article qB4bf.408017$oW2.326427@pd7tw1no, "Jimmy
Duncan" <JimmyDuncan@shaw.caJunkMailDeterrent> wrote:
| Quote: | Record it with a Studio Projects C1..................
Actually, here's an even faster way! Record it with an AKG C1000.
I know most of you know this already but these are the only two mics I have
access to right now and it's so painful.
Shrieking pitched up highs!!! Totally annoying, and I've placed those mics
in every possible position except for the final resting place they so
rightfully deserve.
Jimmy
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Harry Houdini
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 2:12 am Post subject:
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On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:24:08 GMT, "Ricky Hunt" <rhunt22@hotmail.com>
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| Quote: | "Jimmy Duncan" <JimmyDuncan@shaw.caJunkMailDeterrent> wrote in message
news:xuubf.425120$1i.334119@pd7tw2no...
Wow, thanks for the response.
1) Better mics and preamps might help. Be careful not to pair a bright
mic with a bright preamp for an acoustic guitar like a Martin.
I have a Mackie 1202 VLZ. I know it's not the best but are the Preamps
considered bright?
They are "sterile". That combined with the overly bright C1 might not sound
great on some sources.
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I'm inclined to agree with Ricky here: the combination of the C1 with
Mackie preamps is a likely source of harshness |
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Kurt Riemann
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:53 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:48:36 GMT, "Lorin David Schultz"
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| Quote: | But seriously, if a little distortion of the AC causes your high end to
get "screechy," it might be time to take a really serious look at the
condition of your gear. Start with power supply filtering caps.
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I use a Paul Mitchell conditioner on my gear. It helps with cable
tangles, too.
It can get a little "wet" combined with the Parkay floor, so I use
Bias Sound Soap to clean up the tracks.
Kurt Riemann |
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Ty Ford
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject:
Re: Fastest way to make your Martin Guitar sound like a tin |
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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:27:30 -0500, Michael R. Kesti wrote
(in article <4370C3E2.79776407@nospam.net>):
| Quote: | SirRupertNever wrote:
I used to have an AKG C1000.
It was probably a C1000S.
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OK, so what's the difference between a C1000 and a C1000s?
Ty Ford
-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
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Michael R. Kesti
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 9:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Fastest way to make your Martin Guitar sound like a tin |
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Ty Ford wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 10:27:30 -0500, Michael R. Kesti wrote
(in article <4370C3E2.79776407@nospam.net>):
SirRupertNever wrote:
I used to have an AKG C1000.
It was probably a C1000S.
OK, so what's the difference between a C1000 and a C1000s?
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AKG has never had a mic with the model designation C1000 in its catalog.
The mic that we love to hate is the C1000S.
Yes, I am that pedantic. Sue me.
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Jonathan Roberts
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 11:33 pm Post subject:
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"Lorin David Schultz" wrote:
| Quote: | Humidity makes a huge difference too. Too much humidity makes condenser
mics "spit." Too little makes the guitar crackle.
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Not to mention that I think the guitar itself responds to the humidity.
I'm fairly convinced that my Guild sounds fuller when the humidity is up
a bit.
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"Coloured and animated, the concerts and spectacles are as many
invitations to discover the universes of musicians and artists
who tint with happiness our reality."
To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran |
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Paul Stamler
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 12:50 am Post subject:
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"Jonathan Roberts" <NotMe@NotMe.complex> wrote in message
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"Lorin David Schultz" wrote:
Humidity makes a huge difference too. Too much humidity makes condenser
mics "spit." Too little makes the guitar crackle.
Not to mention that I think the guitar itself responds to the humidity.
I'm fairly convinced that my Guild sounds fuller when the humidity is up
a bit.
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No question; that's why many guitarists keep a humidifier in the instrument
or case.
Peace,
Paul |
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hank alrich
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:59 am Post subject:
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Michael R. Kesti wrote:
| Quote: | Ty Ford wrote:
Michael R. Kesti wrote
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| Quote: | SirRupertNever wrote:
I used to have an AKG C1000.
It was probably a C1000S.
OK, so what's the difference between a C1000 and a C1000s?
AKG has never had a mic with the model designation C1000 in its catalog.
The mic that we love to hate is the C1000S.
Yes, I am that pedantic. Sue me.
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The "s" stands for "sucks". We should have known!
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ha |
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Michael R. Kesti
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Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:43 am Post subject:
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hank alrich wrote:
| Quote: | The "s" stands for "sucks". We should have known!
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I suppose that's one way to remember. ;-)
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Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
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