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Peabody
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
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I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn
quicker, or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or
relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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RS
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:19 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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Peabody wrote:
| Quote: | I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn
quicker, or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or
relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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Not really. From time to time certain burners are found not to like
media from certian manufacturers. But thats one of those annoying
suprise type things. Sticking with the major brands is usually safe. If
your buying DVD in bulk, there are people here who can give you good
recommendations. |
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Dave S
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:50 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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Peabody wrote:
| Quote: | I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn
quicker, or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or
relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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It's about the DVD player that you'll be playing these DVDs on.
Mine, a Pioneer, plays only DVD-R, won't recognize DVD+R at all.
Dave S. |
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Richard Crowley
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:20 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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Peabody wrote:
| Quote: | I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to get
some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I think my
stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one format is
generally thought to be better technically, or burn quicker, or if one is
more likely to be useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD to.
Any consensus on this?
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I have found this source very helpful....
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
| Quote: | And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead of
movie DVDs?
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Maybe a bit. Data DVDs ("DVD-ROMs") are usually played on computers
where the drives tend to be more broad-minded about what they will play
vs. Video DVDs playing on a standalone DVD player. |
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RS
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:01 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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Dave S wrote:
| Quote: | Peabody wrote:
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn quicker,
or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or relative I might
send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
It's about the DVD player that you'll be playing these DVDs on.
Mine, a Pioneer, plays only DVD-R, won't recognize DVD+R at all.
Dave S.
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www.videohelp.com has a huge database of DVD players and what users
report they actually will and will not play. |
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Steve Guidry
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 11:45 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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If your discs contain less info, then +R will finalize faster.
Steve
"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn
quicker, or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or
relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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Nomen Nescio
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 2:00 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:45:46 GMT, "Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tOraf.2477$IC.2010@dukeread07...
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind?
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Only use 1st Class Media:
<http://www.nomorecoasters.com/>
I recommend Verbatim DataLifePlus and Taiyo-Yuden.
| Quote: | My burner will handle both, and I think my stand-alone DVD player will
handle both, so I wonder if one format is generally thought to be
better technically, or burn quicker, or if one is more likely to be
useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus
on this?
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There is no real consensus, but there is a lot of opinion :)
For older players, DVD-R has an (small) advantage as far as compatibility. Most modern players play both just fine, but you can check the database of players at:
<http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers>
to see which media works in the players you care about.
There is no REAL WORLD technical advantage with either DVD+R or DVD-R, but on paper each side tries to make its case that its is better.
| Quote: | And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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No. More important is using 1st Class Media, whether it's DVD+R or DVD-R. There is a lot of garbage recordable DVD media that is advisable to stay away from.
| Quote: | If your discs contain less info, then +R will finalize faster.
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Pretty much irrelevant as far as the time difference if he is getting a modern DVD-burner (16X) with modern blanks (16X).
As I wrote above, more important in 11/2005 is the choice to use high quality blanks versus whether to use DVD+R or DVD-R. |
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JimK
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:37 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 03:00:04 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
<nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:45:46 GMT, "Steve Guidry" <steveguidry@earthlink.net> wrote:
"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:tOraf.2477$IC.2010@dukeread07...
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind?
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-R is cheaper
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
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Only use 1st Class Media:
<http://www.nomorecoasters.com/
I recommend Verbatim DataLifePlus and Taiyo-Yuden.
My burner will handle both, and I think my stand-alone DVD player will
handle both, so I wonder if one format is generally thought to be
better technically, or burn quicker, or if one is more likely to be
useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus
on this?
There is no real consensus, but there is a lot of opinion :)
For older players, DVD-R has an (small) advantage as far as compatibility. Most modern players play both just fine, but you can check the database of players at:
<http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers
to see which media works in the players you care about.
There is no REAL WORLD technical advantage with either DVD+R or DVD-R, but on paper each side tries to make its case that its is better.
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
No. More important is using 1st Class Media, whether it's DVD+R or DVD-R. There is a lot of garbage recordable DVD media that is advisable to stay away from.
If your discs contain less info, then +R will finalize faster.
Pretty much irrelevant as far as the time difference if he is getting a modern DVD-burner (16X) with modern blanks (16X).
As I wrote above, more important in 11/2005 is the choice to use high quality blanks versus whether to use DVD+R or DVD-R. |
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Nomen Nescio
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:10 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 07:37:53 GMT, JimK <1alpha@gmail.com> wrote:
This is untrue in general in 11/2005. In general, they cost just about the
same now. |
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Nomen Nescio
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:30:31 GMT, "Larry Johnson"
<support@digitalvideosolutions.com> wrote:
| Quote: | No matter what disc type you use there is never a 100% playback standard. No
all players will play self-created/recorded discs whether it is +R/RW
or -R/RW - that's the hard and fast rule.
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Yep.
| Quote: | DV magazine did a study of discs and players. The study had little to
do with actual players and more about the discs being played back.
According to the study those discs with the greatest percentage of
playback on the most machines were -R type from name brand
manufacturers (after all the whole digital versatile disc world
started with -R for Authoring discs. DVD-R General, which we use is an
offshoot of that format) - and those manufacturers most usually sold a
co-branded disc made by a company called Ritek. Ritek produces discs
for Maxell, Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony. When they produce the disc it
is then labeled with the so-company's name and logo.
Ritek discs can be purchased from several companies online. I
personally use CDRDVDRMEDIA cdrdvdrmedia.com for my disc purchases.
They have very good prices and customer services. Deliveries are
always on time and sometimes even faster than predicted. By the way
another good line of discs is ProDisc.
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In the past, I found that RITEK made high-quality recordable DVDs.
Within the last couple years, their quality has really really declined
to the point where I no longer trust them. Other peoples' legion of
experience similar to mine can be found by scouring the forums at
VideoHelp.COM, CDFreaks.COM and DIGITAL-DIGEST.COM.
I am not a big fan of ProDisc either.
A very good (but not perfect) guide to relative quality of recordable
DVD media can be found here:
<http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm>
I only purchase/trust media listed as "1st Class". |
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Larry Johnson
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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No matter what disc type you use there is never a 100% playback standard. No
all players will play self-created/recorded discs whether it is +R/RW
or -R/RW - that's the hard and fast rule. DV magazine did a study of discs
and players. The study had little to do with actual players and more about
the discs being played back. According to the study those discs with the
greatest percentage of playback on the most machines were -R type from name
brand manufacturers (after all the whole digital versatile disc world
started with -R for Authoring discs. DVD-R General, which we use is an
offshoot of that format) - and those manufacturers most usually sold a
co-branded disc made by a company called Ritek. Ritek produces discs for
Maxell, Pioneer, Panasonic and Sony. When they produce the disc it is then
labeled with the so-company's name and logo.
Ritek discs can be purchased from several companies online. I personally use
CDRDVDRMEDIA cdrdvdrmedia.com for my disc purchases. They have very good
prices and customer services. Deliveries are always on time and sometimes
even faster than predicted. By the way another good line of discs is
ProDisc.
--
Larry Johnson
Digital Video Solutions
webmaster@digitalvideosolutions.com
http://www.digitalvideosolutions.com
877-227-6281 Toll Free Sales Assistance
386-672-1941 Customer Service
386-672-1907 Technical Support
386-676-1515 Fax
"Peabody" <waybackKILLSPAM44@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to
get some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I
think my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one
format is generally thought to be better technically, or burn
quicker, or if one is more likely to be useable by a friend or
relative I might send a DVD to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead
of movie DVDs?
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AnthonyR
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:37 am Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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"Dave S" <dabcschell@mts.not> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Peabody wrote:
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to get
some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I think my
stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one format is
generally thought to be better technically, or burn quicker, or if one is
more likely to be useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD to.
Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead of
movie DVDs?
It's about the DVD player that you'll be playing these DVDs on.
Mine, a Pioneer, plays only DVD-R, won't recognize DVD+R at all.
Dave S.
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Dave,
What about a DVD+R that has been recorded with an altered bit to show up as
DVD-ROM?
I heard recording them that way allows some older DVD Players that don't
play DVD+R to accept them.
AnthonyR. |
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Dave S
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | "Dave S" <dabcschell@mts.not> wrote in message
news:FBvaf.5067$lb7.58610@news1.mts.net...
Peabody wrote:
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to get
some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I think my
stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one format is
generally thought to be better technically, or burn quicker, or if one is
more likely to be useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD to.
Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead of
movie DVDs?
It's about the DVD player that you'll be playing these DVDs on.
Mine, a Pioneer, plays only DVD-R, won't recognize DVD+R at all.
Dave S.
Dave,
What about a DVD+R that has been recorded with an altered bit to show up as
DVD-ROM?
I heard recording them that way allows some older DVD Players that don't
play DVD+R to accept them.
AnthonyR.
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I've never heard of this, but that doesn't mean much at this time.
What bit needs to be altered, and what software is used to do this?
Dave S. |
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James Perrett
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:00 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD-R or DVD+R - Does it matter? |
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 19:30:05 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com>
wrote:
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In the past, I found that RITEK made high-quality recordable DVDs.
Within the last couple years, their quality has really really declined
to the point where I no longer trust them. Other peoples' legion of
experience similar to mine can be found by scouring the forums at
VideoHelp.COM, CDFreaks.COM and DIGITAL-DIGEST.COM.
I am not a big fan of ProDisc either.
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I've never understood the attraction of Ritek media. They made some very
bad CD-R media (although they improved after a while) and I wouldn't
expect them to make good DVD media. It sounds like their reputation for
DVD media was a bit of a fluke and they are now reverting to their normal
standard.
Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden are the only two safe bets for media as far as
I'm concerned.
Cheers
James. |
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AnthonyR
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject:
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"Dave S" <dabcschell@mts.not> wrote in message
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| Quote: | AnthonyR wrote:
"Dave S" <dabcschell@mts.not> wrote in message
news:FBvaf.5067$lb7.58610@news1.mts.net...
Peabody wrote:
I'm getting a DVD burner, and it occurred to me that I also need to get
some blanks. But which kind? My burner will handle both, and I think
my stand-alone DVD player will handle both, so I wonder if one format is
generally thought to be better technically, or burn quicker, or if one
is more likely to be useable by a friend or relative I might send a DVD
to. Any consensus on this?
And, does the answer change if we're talking about data DVDs instead of
movie DVDs?
It's about the DVD player that you'll be playing these DVDs on.
Mine, a Pioneer, plays only DVD-R, won't recognize DVD+R at all.
Dave S.
Dave,
What about a DVD+R that has been recorded with an altered bit to show up
as DVD-ROM?
I heard recording them that way allows some older DVD Players that don't
play DVD+R to accept them.
AnthonyR.
I've never heard of this, but that doesn't mean much at this time.
What bit needs to be altered, and what software is used to do this?
Dave S.
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hey Dave S,
Ok I did a quick Google and these are some links that explain what I was
asking about more.
It's the booktype bitsetting that burning software can sometimes change to
signal to a player the type of disc it's about to read.
Some of these links explain it better than I can.:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150
http://www.signvideo.com/btst-d.htm
http://www.dvdplusrw.org/Article.asp?mid=-1&sid=-1&aid=44
Here is a quote from one link:
Most studies seem to show that under "normal conditions" the two formats are
about equal and that something like 80-90% of modern DVD players can handle
them, if the DVD's are encoded and burned properly. DVD-RW and DVD+RW
generally have lower compatibility rates and really should only be used for
internal purposes such as previewing DVD projects on players you know can
handle RW DVD's.
But, DVD+R is able take advantage of the not-so-well known "bitsetting,"
also called "bit setting," "bit mode compatibility," "compatibility
bitsetting" and probably some names I haven't heard of yet.
Whatever you call it, bitsetting is a process that changes the identity of a
DVD+R disk as seen by DVD players. DVD-R disks have information embedded in
them which identifies them to players as DVD-R. Replicated DVD's (ones that
have been stamped rather than burned) are identified as DVD-ROM. DVD+R disks
have no such embedded identity and, using certain DVD burners, it is
possible to make the DVD+R disks identify themselves as DVD-ROM.
Certain older DVD players, including DVD players in some laptop computers,
will not load DVD-R or DVD+R disks at all because those formats did not even
exist when the player's firmware was written. However, by changing the
bitsetting on a DVD+R to DVD-ROM, those players should be able to load and
play the DVD+R.
This is what I've been doing for years now just to play it safe and so far
have had great results. :)
AnthonyR. |
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