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Bob Urz
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "Bob Urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
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The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required
to have ground fault protection.
Are these pools heated?
Yes.... No one wants to get baptized in cold water.
=)
Our last baptismal used water in the mid-90s. Inlet
temperature was about 110. The baptistery is tile over
reinforced concrete, so heating it up is a big thing. We
added water in a slow stream over 3 days.
For example ours is heated the old-fashioned way. Just
like a standard bathtub. The water in it comes through
a gas-fired water heater. We fill it right before we
use it.
That's kinda where I was headed...any other method means
they need to maintain this water like a spa or pool,
which is a lot of weekly maintenance (and money) for a
pool used several times a year.
Usage varies with church from once a week to once a
month to once a year or less.
Maybe some churches use
theirs often enough that it's worth the effort, beats
me.
Usage is highly variable. Over the life of a church
building, its unpredictable.
So if the thing is just a big bathtub, grounding/GFCI
near the water is a non-issue, but quite the opposite
with whatever is attached to that mic.
Do you think that putting a GFCI on the SR system would
make the situation less safe?
Have you ever used ANY sound system with a GFCI on it
Arny???
Of course. Even though we have an old building, there's
GFCI-controlled outlets in many rooms where we do SR. In
some cases we use extension cords with GFCIs.
I'm thinking of adding a GFCI to my main system, the one
that serves the room with the baptistery.
Why shouldn't I do it?
If you putting it in the wall or breaker panel, your not legal |
to wire it. If your using a in line type, be my guest.
Do you feel safer? Then use it. Are you required to use it? NO.
Might it nuisance trip? Very possibly under some conditions.
Those of us that have used GFCI under portable systems have
probably run into this at one time or another. If your smart
and have all your grounds and AC distribution intact
wired properly, then i am not worried about it.
Bob
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Geoff@home
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:12 am Post subject:
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"Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Geoff@home" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
Cos he lets mean and evil shit happen to blameless people - not
referring to this particular incident, but to countless millions of
others. Evidently to make a self-indulgent and petty point that 'he is
the the man'. A test of faith.
No, he "lets" us choose. And we [people] choose to do mean and evil shit
to blameless people.
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Shouldn't those blameless people be pissed off because they suffer for god's
ego-trip ?
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Geoff@home
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:13 am Post subject:
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"Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Saxology" <saxology2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
God isn't involved.... that your case?
useless turd, like arny and tiglath and alyward's degree.
-Sax
I'm not getting into a theological debate. That's not what this forum or
thread is for. But I will answer your question in the way that I view the
answer: God is only involved in people's lives as much as they let Him
be. It doesn't mean He doesn't exist and isn't working in the world, only
that it is that person's choice how they accept Him.
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"Him" ? . She's black.
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shannon
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:39 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 08:28:35 -0500, Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
news:xO2af.5800$Kv.5068@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net
The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required
to have ground fault protection.
Are these pools heated?
Yes.... No one wants to get baptized in cold water.
=)
Our last baptismal used water in the mid-90s. Inlet
temperature was about 110. The baptistery is tile over
reinforced concrete, so heating it up is a big thing. We
added water in a slow stream over 3 days.
For example ours is heated the old-fashioned way. Just
like a standard bathtub. The water in it comes through a
gas-fired water heater. We fill it right before we use
it.
That's kinda where I was headed...any other method means
they need to maintain this water like a spa or pool,
which is a lot of weekly maintenance (and money) for a
pool used several times a year.
Usage varies with church from once a week to once a month to
once a year or less.
Maybe some churches use
theirs often enough that it's worth the effort, beats me.
Usage is highly variable. Over the life of a church
building, its unpredictable.
So if the thing is just a big bathtub, grounding/GFCI
near the water is a non-issue, but quite the opposite
with whatever is attached to that mic.
Do you think that putting a GFCI on the SR system would make
the situation less safe?
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Its possible that it would not even remove the lethal hazard. |
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Thomas Bishop
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 1:45 am Post subject:
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"John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
| Quote: | For example ours is heated the old-fashioned way. Just like
a standard bathtub. The water in it comes through a
gas-fired water heater. We fill it right before we use it.
That's kinda where I was headed...any other method means they need to
maintain this water like a spa or pool, which is a lot of weekly
maintenance
(and money) for a pool used several times a year. Maybe some churches use
theirs often enough that it's worth the effort, beats me. So if the thing
is
just a big bathtub, grounding/GFCI near the water is a non-issue, but
quite
the opposite with whatever is attached to that mic.
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We fill ours up with cold water then use a heater on it. It is only filled
when there is a baptism the next day. I'm not sure why we do it this way,
but I assume there's a reason. |
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GregS
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:03 am Post subject:
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In article <yH8af.11053$dO2.2425@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Thomas Bishop" <bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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"John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
For example ours is heated the old-fashioned way. Just like
a standard bathtub. The water in it comes through a
gas-fired water heater. We fill it right before we use it.
That's kinda where I was headed...any other method means they need to
maintain this water like a spa or pool, which is a lot of weekly
maintenance
(and money) for a pool used several times a year. Maybe some churches use
theirs often enough that it's worth the effort, beats me. So if the thing
is
just a big bathtub, grounding/GFCI near the water is a non-issue, but
quite
the opposite with whatever is attached to that mic.
We fill ours up with cold water then use a heater on it. It is only filled
when there is a baptism the next day. I'm not sure why we do it this way,
but I assume there's a reason.
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Then you don't have to filter and purify the water. Germs! Bacteria!
greg |
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GregS
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:06 am Post subject:
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In article <dkb9ji$mj0$1@usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, szekeres@pitt.edu (GregS) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <yH8af.11053$dO2.2425@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, "Thomas Bishop"
bishopthomas@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
For example ours is heated the old-fashioned way. Just like
a standard bathtub. The water in it comes through a
gas-fired water heater. We fill it right before we use it.
That's kinda where I was headed...any other method means they need to
maintain this water like a spa or pool, which is a lot of weekly
maintenance
(and money) for a pool used several times a year. Maybe some churches use
theirs often enough that it's worth the effort, beats me. So if the thing
is
just a big bathtub, grounding/GFCI near the water is a non-issue, but
quite
the opposite with whatever is attached to that mic.
We fill ours up with cold water then use a heater on it. It is only filled
when there is a baptism the next day. I'm not sure why we do it this way,
but I assume there's a reason.
Then you don't have to filter and purify the water. Germs! Bacteria!
greg
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It would be interesting if it was just a shower. Would'nt it be just as good??
greg |
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Phildo
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:42 am Post subject:
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"Mike Dobony" <sword@asarian-hostspamnot.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Why do you hate God so intensely?
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I don't hate god. I hate the way it has been hijacked and used by evil
people to control other people who claim to speak for him. I hate the way it
is an emotional crutch because our lives are so empty in this modern age. I
hate the way it has been used to give hope to the downtrodden that they will
have a better life after they die as long as they do what the rich tell them
to do. I hate the way so much precious time and money is wasted in silly
rituals and "worship" based on the words of lunatics when it could be put to
much better use making this world a better place. I hate religion and the
people who run religion not god.
Phildo |
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Phildo
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:47 am Post subject:
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"Geoff@home" <geoff@nospam-paf.co.nz> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Him" ? . She's black.
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There is not one single piece of scientific evidence to show the existence
of any sort of intelligent deity. All we have to go on is the words of
lunatics and the power-hungry who pretend to speak for this "god" in order
to control people.
We have reached a stage of our evolution where we are enlightened enough not
to need to explain away where we came from with fairy stories. Science is
our god now. We should lead good lives for the sake of it, not because we
have been conned into believing we will get our reward when we die (long
after we can get our money back).
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Phildo
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:49 am Post subject:
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"Tim Scott" <timscott18@nospamplease.spamarrest.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Or who the install company was?
They must have taken some advice that Arny or Dobby gave out on here. |
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Phildo
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:32 am Post subject:
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"Bob Urz" <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Do you think that putting a GFCI on the SR system would make the
situation less safe?
Have you ever used ANY sound system with a GFCI on it Arny???
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Oh dear, here we go again. Arny shows his complete cluelessness but digs
himself a whole anyway in a futile attempt to prove himself right.
Phildo |
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Mike Dobony
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Mike" <no_mail@no_spam.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required to have
ground fault protection.
Are these pools heated?
Yes.... No one wants to get baptized in cold water. =)
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Why do you say that? I have been at a few outdoor baptisms. One day we had
cold water put in a children's pool (about 2' deep), no heater, and did
several baptisms for 2 days. Mine was in cold water. The heater wasn't
working at the time. Actually, I don't think it even had a heater!
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Mike Dobony
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"John O" <johno@NOSPAMMMheathkit.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required to have ground
fault
protection.
Are these pools heated?
-John O
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Most are heated. We turn on the heater a day or 2 before doing a baptism. |
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Thomas Bishop
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"GregS" <szekeres@pitt.edu> wrote in message
| Quote: | It would be interesting if it was just a shower. Would'nt it be just as
good??
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Catholics and Methodists do that. I think they call it "sprinkling." |
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Shaun
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On 11/1/05 5:41 PM, Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | Why not cut to the chase - Us having free will, and God
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This is a live-sound newsgroup. Keep it on topic. </thread>
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Shaun Wexler,
MacFOH
http://www.macfoh.com
shaun@macfoh.com |
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