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Tiglath
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject:
Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a microphone (so much
for the pro-audio folks) and the large body of water called more amperes
that God had made the pastor fit for.
God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in his own church
during the administration of the First Sacrament will cost him adherents.
I should think.
There is no word from the woman who was going to be baptized. She has food
for thought and probably a spark of intelligence; it should not be hard for
her to figure things out.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/31/pastor.electrocuted.ap/index.html
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Arny Krueger
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject:
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"Tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:CNp9f.285$0d.108@trnddc03
| Quote: | The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a
microphone (so much for the pro-audio folks) and the
large body of water called more amperes that God had made
the pastor fit for.
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Church in question - University Baptist Church of Waco
Texas.
Famous for their long-term association with the David
Crowder band, infamous for their practicing homosexual
deacon.
| Quote: | God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in
his own church during the administration of the First
Sacrament will cost him adherents.
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Interesting theological question - should God be blamed for
an improperly-grounded SR system?
Should God build a hedge around *every* church so that none
of their mistakes have any consequences?
You *should* think!
| Quote: | There is no word from the woman who was going to be
baptized.
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CNN says she had not stepped into the water.
Pure water is a pretty good insulator (but don't stake your
life on it!), there's probably more going on here.
| Quote: | She has food for thought and probably a spark
of intelligence; it should not be hard for her to figure
things out.
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The obvious conclusion is that if you do dumb, unsafe
technical things in a church, they may have similar
consequences as they have if you do them outside a church.
| Quote: | http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/31/pastor.electrocuted.ap/index.html
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Food for thought for everybody who ever cut the ground pin
off the power cord for their console at church. |
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tiglath
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "Tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:CNp9f.285$0d.108@trnddc03
The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a
microphone (so much for the pro-audio folks) and the
large body of water called more amperes that God had made
the pastor fit for.
Church in question - University Baptist Church of Waco
Texas.
Famous for their long-term association with the David
Crowder band, infamous for their practicing homosexual
deacon.
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Shocking.
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CNN says she had not stepped into the water.
Pure water is a pretty good insulator (but don't stake your
life on it!), there's probably more going on here.
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Even if you filled the baptismal pool with distilled water it wouldn't
take much dirt or pollution to provide the ions needed for high
conductivity.
| Quote: | She has food for thought and probably a spark
of intelligence; it should not be hard for her to figure
things out.
The obvious conclusion is that if you do dumb, unsafe
technical things in a church, they may have similar
consequences as they have if you do them outside a church.
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Doesn't God count?
| Quote: | Food for thought for everybody who ever cut the ground pin
off the power cord for their console at church.
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Any idea who the SR tech was? |
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Tim Scott
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:24 pm Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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"tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:1130778115.825560.16060@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:CNp9f.285$0d.108@trnddc03
The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a
microphone (so much for the pro-audio folks) and the
large body of water called more amperes that God had made
the pastor fit for.
Church in question - University Baptist Church of Waco
Texas.
Famous for their long-term association with the David
Crowder band, infamous for their practicing homosexual
deacon.
Shocking.
CNN says she had not stepped into the water.
Pure water is a pretty good insulator (but don't stake your
life on it!), there's probably more going on here.
Even if you filled the baptismal pool with distilled water it wouldn't
take much dirt or pollution to provide the ions needed for high
conductivity.
She has food for thought and probably a spark
of intelligence; it should not be hard for her to figure
things out.
The obvious conclusion is that if you do dumb, unsafe
technical things in a church, they may have similar
consequences as they have if you do them outside a church.
Doesn't God count?
Food for thought for everybody who ever cut the ground pin
off the power cord for their console at church.
Any idea who the SR tech was?
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Or who the install company was? |
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Mike
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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| Quote: | God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in
his own church during the administration of the First
Sacrament will cost him adherents.
Interesting theological question - should God be blamed for an
improperly-grounded SR system?
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You're assuming that the audio system was at fault.... What about the
electric heater built into the tub?
Mike Borkhuis |
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tiglath
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:14 am Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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Mike wrote:
| Quote: | God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in
his own church during the administration of the First
Sacrament will cost him adherents.
Interesting theological question - should God be blamed for an
improperly-grounded SR system?
You're assuming that the audio system was at fault.... What about the
electric heater built into the tub?
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That's the hot tub is where the deacon interviews choir boys, not the
baptismal pool. |
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Geoff@home
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:20 am Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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"Tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:CNp9f.285$0d.108@trnddc03...
| Quote: | The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a microphone (so
much
for the pro-audio folks) and the large body of water called more amperes
that God had made the pastor fit for.
God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in his own church
during the administration of the First Sacrament will cost him adherents.
I should think.
There is no word from the woman who was going to be baptized. She has
food
for thought and probably a spark of intelligence; it should not be hard
for
her to figure things out.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/31/pastor.electrocuted.ap/index.html
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Act Of God. Alah's message must be made clear to these infidels.
geoff |
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Arny Krueger
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:49 am Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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"tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:1130778115.825560.16060@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
| Quote: | Arny Krueger wrote:
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| Quote: | Pure water is a pretty good insulator (but don't stake
your life on it!), there's probably more going on here.
Even if you filled the baptismal pool with distilled
water it wouldn't take much dirt or pollution to provide
the ions needed for high conductivity.
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A TV show called "mythbusters" recently tested the
probability of a person being electrocuted when an
electrical appliance fell into their bathtub. They confirmed
this could happen, but they also demonstrated the
life-saving effects of having a GFCI.
This particular baptistery was probably built after 1995, so
there should have been a GFCI.
| Quote: | The obvious conclusion is that if you do dumb, unsafe
technical things in a church, they may have similar
consequences as they have if you do them outside a
church.
Doesn't God count?
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God seems to generally withhold immunity to the laws of
nature.
| Quote: | Food for thought for everybody who ever cut the ground
pin off the power cord for their console at church.
Any idea who the SR tech was?
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I'm sure that there will be some kind of investigation. |
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BOB URZ
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:05 am Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
news:1130778115.825560.16060@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
Pure water is a pretty good insulator (but don't stake
your life on it!), there's probably more going on here.
Even if you filled the baptismal pool with distilled
water it wouldn't take much dirt or pollution to provide
the ions needed for high conductivity.
A TV show called "mythbusters" recently tested the
probability of a person being electrocuted when an
electrical appliance fell into their bathtub. They confirmed
this could happen, but they also demonstrated the
life-saving effects of having a GFCI.
This particular baptistery was probably built after 1995, so
there should have been a GFCI.
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You can assume all you want, but unless you know the facts its all
speculation. The NEC is NOT a universal document that is law
everywhere the same. The AHJ can choose which version of the
NEC to follow for codes. And they all don't approve the newest
code instantly. A baptismal probably falls through some NEC
cracks anyway as far as listing goes. Is it a Pool? Hot tub?
Whirlpool bath? And if this church was in the sticks it may have
been outside of city inspection jurisdiction. Too many facts unknown to
know. Just because he had a mike in his hand does not mean that's what
did it.
Bob
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shannon
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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Tiglath wrote:
| Quote: | The poor guy stepped into a baptismal pool and grabbed a microphone (so much
for the pro-audio folks) and the large body of water called more amperes
that God had made the pastor fit for.
God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in his own church
during the administration of the First Sacrament will cost him adherents.
I should think.
There is no word from the woman who was going to be baptized. She has food
for thought and probably a spark of intelligence; it should not be hard for
her to figure things out.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/31/pastor.electrocuted.ap/index.html
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Lesson for church sound guys, if your equipment provides a ground path
for an electrical fault in a pool heating or lighting system not
protected with a GFI or RCCB, an internet troll will attempt to point
the finger of blame at you.
Protecting your own system will not help. |
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william
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:47 pm Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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| Quote: | Lesson for church sound guys, if your equipment provides a ground path for
an electrical fault in a pool heating or lighting system not protected
with a GFI or RCCB, an internet troll will attempt to point
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I listen to this topic and I have a one question. In my country,
low-voltage distribution network (230V AC with grounded source netural
point) must obligatory have a RCCB 30mA protect unit. How does it look
alike in USA and 120V network ? |
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Mike Dobony
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:42 pm Post subject:
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"tiglath" <temp3@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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Mike wrote:
God's got a wicked sense of humor, but killing people in
his own church during the administration of the First
Sacrament will cost him adherents.
Interesting theological question - should God be blamed for an
improperly-grounded SR system?
You're assuming that the audio system was at fault.... What about
the
electric heater built into the tub?
That's the hot tub is where the deacon interviews choir boys, not the
baptismal pool.
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Why do you hate God so intensely? |
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Mike Dobony
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject:
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"william" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Lesson for church sound guys, if your equipment provides a ground path
for
an electrical fault in a pool heating or lighting system not protected
with a GFI or RCCB, an internet troll will attempt to point
I listen to this topic and I have a one question. In my country,
low-voltage distribution network (230V AC with grounded source netural
point) must obligatory have a RCCB 30mA protect unit. How does it look
alike in USA and 120V network ?
The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required to have ground fault |
protection. God rarely porotects the stupid from their refusal to follow
recommendations. Unfortunately, I find many churches feel they are exempt,
just as Jerusalem felt they were exempt from the wrath of God through Egypt.
Jerusalem fell. |
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shannon
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Pastor Electrocuted While Performing Baptism |
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Mike Dobony wrote:
| Quote: | "william" <nie@ma.mnie.pl> wrote in message
news:dk76i4$se4$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl...
Lesson for church sound guys, if your equipment provides a ground path
for
an electrical fault in a pool heating or lighting system not protected
with a GFI or RCCB, an internet troll will attempt to point
I listen to this topic and I have a one question. In my country,
low-voltage distribution network (230V AC with grounded source netural
point) must obligatory have a RCCB 30mA protect unit. How does it look
alike in USA and 120V network ?
The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required to have ground fault
protection. God rarely porotects the stupid from their refusal to follow
recommendations. Unfortunately, I find many churches feel they are exempt,
just as Jerusalem felt they were exempt from the wrath of God through Egypt.
Jerusalem fell.
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When you believe in things that you don't understand.
Then you suffer
Superstition ain't the way.
[Stevie Wonder] |
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John O
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | The heating unit is going to be 240v and is required to have ground fault
protection.
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Are these pools heated?
-John O |
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