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Agent 86
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:11:31 +0000, James wrote:
| Quote: | While they may speak English, wear a suit and tie and may
not set off bombs and execute people in the name of "God",
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Eric Rudolph? James Kopp?
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Scott Dorsey
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Dr. Dolittle <pdo@spamblaster.not> wrote:
| Quote: | I am not a religous person. And I think preachers or full of it. But
deserving of death because of their profession/beliefs?
What about Bose salesman? Should they be sentenced to death as well?
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In the matter of religion, nobody can _really_ know for sure. So it is
hard to actually say someone is deserving of death for their philosophy
and religious beliefs, no matter how damaging those beliefs are.
But as far as Bose salesmen go, I think they should be the first up against
the wall. Gun them all down.
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Dr. Dolittle
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
| Quote: | But as far as Bose salesmen go, I think they should be the first up against
the wall. Gun them all down.
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l.o.l. |
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hank alrich
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
| Quote: | Dr. Dolittle wrote:
I am not a religous person. And I think preachers or full of it. But
deserving of death because of their profession/beliefs?
What about Bose salesman? Should they be sentenced to death as well?
In the matter of religion, nobody can _really_ know for sure. So it is
hard to actually say someone is deserving of death for their philosophy
and religious beliefs, no matter how damaging those beliefs are.
But as far as Bose salesmen go, I think they should be the first up against
the wall. Gun them all down.
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Waste of good ammunition, if you ask me; we should shoot that which
we'll eat, and we ain't eatin' no Bose salespersons.
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ha |
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James
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Agent 86" <maxwellsmart@control.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:11:31 +0000, James wrote:
While they may speak English, wear a suit and tie and may
not set off bombs and execute people in the name of "God",
Eric Rudolph? James Kopp?
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I said "may". |
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Geoff@work
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"hank alrich" <walkinay@thegrid.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Scott Dorsey wrote:
Dr. Dolittle wrote:
I am not a religous person. And I think preachers or full of it. But
deserving of death because of their profession/beliefs?
What about Bose salesman? Should they be sentenced to death as well?
In the matter of religion, nobody can _really_ know for sure. So it is
hard to actually say someone is deserving of death for their philosophy
and religious beliefs, no matter how damaging those beliefs are.
But as far as Bose salesmen go, I think they should be the first up
against
the wall. Gun them all down.
Waste of good ammunition, if you ask me; we should shoot that which
we'll eat, and we ain't eatin' no Bose salespersons.
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Lock 'em in a room full of Bose - a fate worse than death.
geoff |
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:58:56 GMT, donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce)
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| Quote: | Actually, the flavour of the religion doesn't matter. It is just the
invention of the higher power to justify unspeakable acts.
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I agree the flavour doesn't matter people have always found some
rationalization for unspeakable selfishness and gratification, but
without calling the power higher, where do you think the energy that
animates you and all other living things emanates from?
And has science answered the question of what was before the big bang
if there was one?
And where did the singularity that exploded come from?
And If the fundamental scientific principal "Matter and neither be
created or destroyed" is true how did this microscopic singularity
create the cosmos?
And where does the energy that animates us go when we cease to be
alive?
And where is all the missing dark matter that would allow the
equations of modern science to actually work?
And
And
And........ |
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Bob Cain
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:13 am Post subject:
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Don Pearce wrote:
| Quote: | And of course Hitler was a Christian.
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At birth. In his youth he rejected that for a pagan orientation that
leaned far towards atheism. He wanted, in the long term, to also
eliminate Christianity. You'd have liked him.
Bob
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Jay Kadis
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:23 am Post subject:
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In article <bg6im15rbvelefvi5fsbj1o606s59o0v0i@4ax.com>, paul@nospam.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:58:56 GMT, donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce)
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Actually, the flavour of the religion doesn't matter. It is just the
invention of the higher power to justify unspeakable acts.
I agree the flavour doesn't matter people have always found some
rationalization for unspeakable selfishness and gratification, but
without calling the power higher, where do you think the energy that
animates you and all other living things emanates from?
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Consuming food to burn for calories. Or photosynthesis where applicable.
| Quote: | And has science answered the question of what was before the big bang
if there was one?
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Is this even a meaningful question? Our inability to fathom the origin of the
cosmos does not imply a supernatural creator.
| Quote: | And where did the singularity that exploded come from?
And If the fundamental scientific principal "Matter and neither be
created or destroyed" is true how did this microscopic singularity
create the cosmos?
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Hint: matter and anti-matter cancel with great release of energy... Energy and
matter are interconvertible as per Einstein.
| Quote: | And where does the energy that animates us go when we cease to be
alive?
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The energy that animates us is generated through chemical processes that cease
when we stop eating.
| Quote: | And where is all the missing dark matter that would allow the
equations of modern science to actually work?
And
And
And........
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Questions that may not be answerable from our current framework of observation.
It is not evidence of a supernatural force.
-Jay
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Don Pearce
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 2:36 am Post subject:
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:04:53 GMT, paul@nospam.net wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:58:56 GMT, donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce)
wrote:
Actually, the flavour of the religion doesn't matter. It is just the
invention of the higher power to justify unspeakable acts.
I agree the flavour doesn't matter people have always found some
rationalization for unspeakable selfishness and gratification, but
without calling the power higher, where do you think the energy that
animates you and all other living things emanates from?
And has science answered the question of what was before the big bang
if there was one?
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There wasn't a "before".
And I have no idea what you mean by the energy that animates me, apart
from the fact that you are begging the "higher power" question quite
shamelessly.
| Quote: | And where did the singularity that exploded come from?
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Why do you insist that it comes from somewhere? That would imply prior
existence, which as far as I know is present in no current model of
the universe.
And in what way do you think that invoking a higher principle
simplifies this question? It merely adds another layer of complexity
that requires explanation - and it is one which can't be seen, and is
scientifically indescribable. It is also one which evinces no evidence
of its existence. It just isn't a helpful concept.
| Quote: | And If the fundamental scientific principal "Matter and neither be
created or destroyed" is true how did this microscopic singularity
create the cosmos?
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No, that hasn't been a fundamental scientific principle for many
years.
| Quote: | And where does the energy that animates us go when we cease to be
alive?
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Do the sums - dissipation is all you need.
| Quote: | And where is all the missing dark matter that would allow the
equations of modern science to actually work?
And
And
And........
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The clue is in the word "dark". And this is of course one of the
fastest evolving branches of science. If the current theory doesn't
work, just wait five minutes and another will be along.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 3:15 am Post subject:
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Don Pearce wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 20:04:53 GMT, paul@nospam.net wrote:
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:58:56 GMT, donald@pearce.uk.com (Don Pearce)
wrote:
Actually, the flavour of the religion doesn't matter. It is just the
invention of the higher power to justify unspeakable acts.
I agree the flavour doesn't matter people have always found some
rationalization for unspeakable selfishness and gratification, but
without calling the power higher, where do you think the energy that
animates you and all other living things emanates from?
And has science answered the question of what was before the big bang
if there was one?
There wasn't a "before".
And I have no idea what you mean by the energy that animates me, apart
from the fact that you are begging the "higher power" question quite
shamelessly.
And where did the singularity that exploded come from?
Why do you insist that it comes from somewhere? That would imply prior
existence, which as far as I know is present in no current model of
the universe.
And in what way do you think that invoking a higher principle
simplifies this question? It merely adds another layer of complexity
that requires explanation - and it is one which can't be seen, and is
scientifically indescribable. It is also one which evinces no evidence
of its existence. It just isn't a helpful concept.
And If the fundamental scientific principal "Matter and neither be
created or destroyed" is true how did this microscopic singularity
create the cosmos?
No, that hasn't been a fundamental scientific principle for many
years.
And where does the energy that animates us go when we cease to be
alive?
Do the sums - dissipation is all you need.
And where is all the missing dark matter that would allow the
equations of modern science to actually work?
And
And
And........
The clue is in the word "dark". And this is of course one of the
fastest evolving branches of science. If the current theory doesn't
work, just wait five minutes and another will be along.
d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com
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What most religious people fail to realise, due to their own mindsets,
is that atheism is simply not believing in god. It doesn't mean that we
can explain how the universe came into existence. It simply means that
we believe that their "theories" are unconvincing. That's why atheism
isn't a religion and doesn't act like a religion. It is *not* a belief
system, simply a refusal to accept a certain belief in the absence of
evidence.
The fact that I don't believe that the entire universe was created to
allow this tiny planet of an insignificant star to house my species
doesn't mean I have any explanations. I'm just comfortable answering "I
don't know" to those questions. And I will continue to be so until
someone comes up with an explanation less farcical than god, an
explanation, which, as you said introduces *more* rather than less
complexity and as a result isn't an explanation in any meaningful way.
As for the idiot pastor who started this debate, I don't wish anyone
dead, but I find it amusing that the Darwin awards are rarely viewed as
objectionable, and yet they're basically the same thing. The guy was an
idiot, and he died of it. It's a shame. But the religious among us feel
that it is somehow worse simply because he was some kind of a priest,
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spambucket
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:38 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | In article <1130966133.067621.220400@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:
What most religious people fail to realise, due to their own mindsets,
is that atheism is simply not believing in god. It doesn't mean that we
can explain how the universe came into existence. It simply means that
we believe that their "theories" are unconvincing. That's why atheism
isn't a religion and doesn't act like a religion. It is *not* a belief
system, simply a refusal to accept a certain belief in the absence of
evidence.
The fact that I don't believe that the entire universe was created to
allow this tiny planet of an insignificant star to house my species
doesn't mean I have any explanations. I'm just comfortable answering "I
don't know" to those questions. And I will continue to be so until
someone comes up with an explanation less farcical than god, an
explanation, which, as you said introduces *more* rather than less
complexity and as a result isn't an explanation in any meaningful way.
As for the idiot pastor who started this debate, I don't wish anyone
dead, but I find it amusing that the Darwin awards are rarely viewed as
objectionable, and yet they're basically the same thing. The guy was an
idiot, and he died of it. It's a shame. But the religious among us feel
that it is somehow worse simply because he was some kind of a priest,
or whatever they are.
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Good explanation. Personally, I think agnosticism makes more sense - since
the answers to questions like the origin of the universe, and life, are
unanswerable at the moment, I like to think that a supreme being is at
least a possibility. But like you, I'm comfortable answering "I don't
know".
Re the pastor who died, do we know the full circumstances of his death? It
may be that he acted recklessly and or stupidly. But it's also possible he
got bad advice from his sound engineer. At this point, I'm comfortable
saying "I don't know the complete circumstances of his death".
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Dr. Dolittle
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:06 am Post subject:
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huwgareth@my-deja.com wrote:
| Quote: | As for the idiot pastor who started this debate, I don't wish anyone
dead, but I find it amusing that the Darwin awards are rarely viewed as
objectionable, and yet they're basically the same thing. The guy was an
idiot, and he died of it. It's a shame. But the religious among us feel
that it is somehow worse simply because he was some kind of a priest,
or whatever they are.
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I don't know that I agree. I would wager that most people wouldn't think
of a microphone as carrying live current and even consider the danger
involved. Does this mean most people are idiots? (well, I won't answer
that.. ;)
I would have never thought of it if not for knowing of major shocks
people have received from simply touching a microphone while holding
their guitar, etc. I would also wager that there have been millions of
baptism's where there was a microphone involved, and this just happened
to be the one where the wiring was such that he got electrocuted. So
there are *a lot* of "idiots" who have done the same exact thing, this
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Les Cargill
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Jay Kadis wrote:
| Quote: | In article <dk94n9$an2$1@panix2.panix.com>, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
wrote:
[snip]
But as far as Bose salesmen go, I think they should be the first up against
the wall. Gun them all down.
--scott
A more fitting punishment would be to chain them to the wall and force them to
listen to the Bose systems they sell.
-Jay
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for watching football games.
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Stuart Welwood
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:32 am Post subject:
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<dford3@gl.umbc.edu> wrote in message
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So? He most likely believed in gravity. He probably brushed his teeth, too.
Just because two things happen at the same time, does not mean that they are
in any way connected, let alone cause and effect.
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