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Duncan Chesley
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:06 am Post subject:
Am I Calibrated? |
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Hi,
I've just received a replacement Colorvision Spyder. My original
resulted in a really pink screen. Colorvision kindly replaced the
sensor. I've calibrated my new Viewsonic P95f+. I'm using Windows XP.
The new result is much better than the old one. But my arrow mouse
cursor is still distinctly brighter and perhaps a little "cooler"
(more blue) than window backgrounds that are (I think) white. This is
true in programs like Free Agent and in my own graphics software that
generates backgrounds in VB that are 255,255,255.
Is this what I should expect?
TIA
Duncan
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MarkČ
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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Duncan Chesley wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:08:15 -0800, "MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
Have you gotten rid of the annoying BLUE color scheme that is the XP
default?
Gee I'm used to the new system. I'll look at going backwards. Thanks
for the tip.
I don't know what version of the pointer you have it set to, but it
should be of similar bright white as is th ebackground white in
programs like Microsoft Word, for example. If it's not the same,
then you must have some custom pointer set up.
I just have an MS Intellimouse with all the defaults set. I couldn't
find any way to control the mouse color within the defaults. But no
one that isn't blind would consider the pointer to be the same as the
background in Word.
I was wondering if the mouse cursor somehow doesn't go through the
Colorvision profile...
Perhaps I'm just out of luck with the low end (but still not exactly
cheap) Colorvision Spyder. Do I need to look at a more expensive
system?
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Not likely.
Monitor or video card, perhaps...but it's more likely tweaks you'll need to
do regardless of your basic system.
All your "system" does is follow directions, and these are given by your
video card, video card driver, monitor, monitor profile, and color
management system within windows.
The mouse pointer issue you have has nothing to do with color management.
When you change to Classic Windows Style as I described, you'll likely lose
the gofy mouse.
As to your being "used to the new system" colors... Get over it. :)
Having all your images surrounded by bright blue colors is about as poor a
set-up for judging color as can be had. You are MUCH better off with a more
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Duncan Chesley
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:08:15 -0800, "MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
| Quote: | Have you gotten rid of the annoying BLUE color scheme that is the XP
default?
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Gee I'm used to the new system. I'll look at going backwards. Thanks
for the tip.
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I don't know what version of the pointer you have it set to, but it should
be of similar bright white as is th ebackground white in programs like
Microsoft Word, for example. If it's not the same, then you must have some
custom pointer set up.
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I just have an MS Intellimouse with all the defaults set. I couldn't
find any way to control the mouse color within the defaults. But no
one that isn't blind would consider the pointer to be the same as the
background in Word.
I was wondering if the mouse cursor somehow doesn't go through the
Colorvision profile...
Perhaps I'm just out of luck with the low end (but still not exactly
cheap) Colorvision Spyder. Do I need to look at a more expensive
system?
Thanks for the response.
Duncan |
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MarkČ
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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Duncan Chesley wrote:
| Quote: | Hi,
I've just received a replacement Colorvision Spyder. My original
resulted in a really pink screen. Colorvision kindly replaced the
sensor. I've calibrated my new Viewsonic P95f+. I'm using Windows XP.
The new result is much better than the old one. But my arrow mouse
cursor is still distinctly brighter and perhaps a little "cooler"
(more blue) than window backgrounds that are (I think) white. This is
true in programs like Free Agent and in my own graphics software that
generates backgrounds in VB that are 255,255,255.
Is this what I should expect?
TIA
Duncan
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Have you gotten rid of the annoying BLUE color scheme that is the XP
default?
You should probably set it it to the old grey scheme (which still has blue
program top bars), since it gives your eyes a far better (more neutral)
background for judging color.
[To set this to the older grey look, just go to display properties (right
click on desk-top, then properties)...
....Click "Appearance tab" ...Under the "Windows and buttons" drop-down,
select "Windows Classic Style."]
I don't know what version of the pointer you have it set to, but it should
be of similar bright white as is th ebackground white in programs like
Microsoft Word, for example. If it's not the same, then you must have some
custom pointer set up. |
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Mike Warren
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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Duncan Chesley wrote:
| Quote: | Changing the styles has no effect on the difference between the cursor
and the background. It's like the calibration changed everything
except the color of the cursor. Can that be?
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It is very likely that the mouse cursor is handled as an overlay
by the video card. Mine is also whiter than white.
--
Mike Warren
My web gallery: http://web.aanet.com.au/miwa/mike |
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Steve Wolfe
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | The new result is much better than the old one. But my arrow mouse
cursor is still distinctly brighter and perhaps a little "cooler"
(more blue) than window backgrounds that are (I think) white. This is
true in programs like Free Agent and in my own graphics software that
generates backgrounds in VB that are 255,255,255.
Is this what I should expect?
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First, make sure that you are NOT still loading Adobe Gamma. Start ->
Run -> msconfig, make sure that it's not checked. It will work against your
new profile.
Second, try going through it a second time. I haven't used the Spyder,
but some others set the white balance, and then the brightness/contrast -
and if you change the brightness/contrast, the white balance will change as
well. Some monitors are better than others, but none are perfect - and some
are downright HORRIBLE, where changing the brightness results in a very
visable color shift.
steve |
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GTO
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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Don't drive yourself insane with this. Keep your cool and look at the output
from your printer in the right illumination.
Gregor
"Duncan Chesley" <BioColor@aol.com> wrote in message
news:cf8dm1l0764v8qlc4hknqkh4iq1msq8p34@4ax.com...
| Quote: | Hi,
I've just received a replacement Colorvision Spyder. My original
resulted in a really pink screen. Colorvision kindly replaced the
sensor. I've calibrated my new Viewsonic P95f+. I'm using Windows XP.
The new result is much better than the old one. But my arrow mouse
cursor is still distinctly brighter and perhaps a little "cooler"
(more blue) than window backgrounds that are (I think) white. This is
true in programs like Free Agent and in my own graphics software that
generates backgrounds in VB that are 255,255,255.
Is this what I should expect?
TIA
Duncan
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Duncan Chesley
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:20:00 -0800, "MarkČ" <mjmorgan(lowest even
number here)@cox..net> wrote:
| Quote: | The mouse pointer issue you have has nothing to do with color management.
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Hmmm. It has something to do with it because when I adjusted my
monitor with Adobe Gamma (which I undid before the Colorvision stuff),
the white cursor was the same white as the background in Word.
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When you change to Classic Windows Style as I described, you'll likely lose
the gofy mouse.
As to your being "used to the new system" colors... Get over it. :)
Having all your images surrounded by bright blue colors is about as poor a
set-up for judging color as can be had. You are MUCH better off with a more
basic neutral grey.
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Yes I understand. I've used a neutral gray background for images for
30 years. The Classic Windows setting looks awfully muddy to me. But I
tried the Silver color option with the XP setting, and that might be
pretty good. Eventually I will define my own scheme.
Changing the styles has no effect on the difference between the cursor
and the background. It's like the calibration changed everything
except the color of the cursor. Can that be?
Thanks for the response!
Duncan |
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Duncan Chesley
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
Re: Am I Calibrated? |
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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:02:39 -0330, "Mardon" <mgb72mgb@hotmail.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | From your description, I wonder if it's possible that you've done
the calibration but have not taken the extra steps that are required in
order to get that profile to load into the video card every time your
computer starts. It's just a thought.
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And a good one. The Spyder I have creates the profile and puts it in
the right place in the display properties. I assumed that since the
end of the calibration process let me switch back and forth between
calibrated and uncalibrated, that it knew to leave my monitor in the
calibrated position.
But eventually I rebooted. Now things look much better, although the
cursor is still a little bit brighter that the white backgrounds.
Probably the earlier poster was spot on about the cursor as an
overlay.
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BTW, I'm skeptical of the "International Design Resource" website referenced
in a post here. I went to the site and it said that my monitor is not colour
calibrated even thought it is. I think all that site does is to see if it
has placed a cookie that indicates the user has run their calibration steps.
It does not know if the monitor has been calibrated independently with a
hardware colorimeter like the Spyder. Be careful and don't mess up a
perfectly good Spyder calibration.
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Yes. I think it just places a cookie that only affects the display of
colors at that site and others that know about the cookie. The
interesting thing for me was that in the color bars at the end that I
think showed both calibrated and uncalibrated colors showed absolutely
no difference.
Thanks all for the suggestions and the help. And kudos to Colorvision
for helping me diagnose the failure of the original sensor and for
replacing it.
Cheers to all.
Duncan |
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