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Jeff Rife
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Joe Smith (joe@inwap.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | Correct. But the thing you are overlooking is that even though the
request was entered using localtime, it was converted to UTC before
being stored in the To Do List.
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Correct, but it can't do this correctly without updated DST change dates.
It *could* do "from guide" recordings without any need to update anything
on the TiVo (the guide data could have the correct local offset values stored
with each program), but if the user enters a manual time recording, that
would start when the old DST data told it to.
Again, it's too early to tell how they will handle this.
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Randy S.
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Amen to that. Besides, any bright programmer should realize that
Daylight savings time is at the whim of the government, so needs to be
able to be easily modified. If it isn't, then shame on the
programmer!
Can you say Y2K ;)
A problem that should have been twarted years before it ever started.
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Some Y2K issues were actually understandable. Some programs written in
the early '70's were never even *considered* to be possibly still
running at 2000. However there were some pretty egregious examples of
programs written even in the 90's that didn't use 4 digit dates. Those
are the folks that weren't looking ahead.
Randy S. |
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wkearney99
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 4:13 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
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the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
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Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just pathetic. |
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GMAN
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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In article <q8KdnSfIZ_-6p_TeRVn-gA@speakeasy.net>, "wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just pathetic.
No, you valueing an electronics device over a child is pathetic, whether you |
like kids or not. |
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Randy S.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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wkearney99 wrote:
| Quote: | If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
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the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just pathetic.
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The main rationalization for changing daylight savings time dates is
saving energy and improving safety for school children. Why is
discussing the pros of the time change as opposed to the cons pathetic?
Do you really only want to hear one side of an argument?
Randy S. |
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Randy S.
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just
pathetic.
The main rationalization for changing daylight savings time dates is
saving energy and improving safety for school children.
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Sorry, I realize now that doesn't read right. How about:
The main reasonings for changing daylight saving time dates are 1)
saving energy, and 2) improving safetly for school children.
I didn't mean to imply that daylight savings time would save school
children's energy ;-). Though, hell, maybe it would, I don't know!?
Randy S. |
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C what I mean
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 6:17 pm Post subject:
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"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dkbmli$q9b$2@news.xmission.com...
| Quote: | In article <q8KdnSfIZ_-6p_TeRVn-gA@speakeasy.net>, "wkearney99"
wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our
goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just
pathetic.
No, you valueing an electronics device over a child is pathetic, whether
you
like kids or not.
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Well, if you really want to save children's lives all you have to do is take
them out of the real world and say.. lock them in a closet. I seriously
doubt saving kids lives has anything to do with the change. That is just an
excuse.. use kids, old people, pets and minorities and you have a
sympathetic audience every time. After all, who doesn't want to help these
groups of people? Need it or not! |
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MegaZone
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject:
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glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN) shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
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How many kids are walking to school at 5AM? And you just trade an
hour of dark in the morning for an hour of dark in the afternoon -
when the same kids are coming home, playing sports, participating in
clubs, etc. So you don't get jack.
It is all artificial anyway, I'd rather seen them dump the whole thing
and just keep the clocks the same all year. The system was originally
mainly for farming and keeping daylight during the work day, which has
little bearing on the vast majority of the modern world.
Hell, the same thing with the US school year - it was designed around
the planting and harvesting seasons when the kids would be out of
school, helping out on the farm. That could use an overhaul to bring
us to the level of most of the rest of the world too.
Political crap, all of it.
-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
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Dr. Personality
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:29 pm Post subject:
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In article <rdnaf.1150$lg.33@news01.roc.ny>, C what I mean <
spam@frontiernet.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dkbmli$q9b$2@news.xmission.com...
In article <q8KdnSfIZ_-6p_TeRVn-gA@speakeasy.net>, "wkearney99"
wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our
goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just
pathetic.
No, you valueing an electronics device over a child is pathetic, whether
you
like kids or not.
Well, if you really want to save children's lives all you have to do is take
them out of the real world and say.. lock them in a closet. I seriously
doubt saving kids lives has anything to do with the change. That is just an
excuse.. use kids, old people, pets and minorities and you have a
sympathetic audience every time. After all, who doesn't want to help these
groups of people? Need it or not!
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This has nothing to do with kids' safety. The recreation industry
presuaded Congress that consumers spend more money on hotels,
vacations, amusement parks, etc., when DST is in effect. The new law
is a compromise; the industry wanted DST expanded by eight weeks, not
four.
In fact, DST should have been contracted in the fall, not expanded.
It's dark in the morning in late October. DST used to end near the
beginning of the month, which worked fine. |
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MegaZone
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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Dave Hinz <DaveHinz@spamcop.net> shaped the electrons to say:
| Quote: | You are aware that farms do still exist, right? I mean, you eat and
everything; where do you think the food comes from?
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So what? The rest of the world doesn't screw up the entire
educational system to handle what is a very small minority. US
students spend less time in school than most of the other western
nations, and have a much longer summer break, which impacts education.
For what? How many of those kids are off on the farms? If you run a
school where a significant number of the kids are working on farms,
then adjust your local school year for it. But the fact is the vast
majority of students have nothing at all to do with farming and it is
silly to schedule the school year around agricultural needs in the
modern age.
The reason it doesn't change is political. People are used to the
long summer breaks and balk at changing that.
-MZ
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"A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men" 508-852-2171
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DAve Allison
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 10:53 pm Post subject:
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Thank God for Lobbyists, we'd never get any laws passed without them.
(sic)
DAve
Dr. Personality wrote:
| Quote: | In article <rdnaf.1150$lg.33@news01.roc.ny>, C what I mean
spam@frontiernet.net> wrote:
"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dkbmli$q9b$2@news.xmission.com...
In article <q8KdnSfIZ_-6p_TeRVn-gA@speakeasy.net>, "wkearney99"
wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our
goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just
pathetic.
No, you valueing an electronics device over a child is pathetic, whether
you
like kids or not.
Well, if you really want to save children's lives all you have to do is take
them out of the real world and say.. lock them in a closet. I seriously
doubt saving kids lives has anything to do with the change. That is just an
excuse.. use kids, old people, pets and minorities and you have a
sympathetic audience every time. After all, who doesn't want to help these
groups of people? Need it or not!
This has nothing to do with kids' safety. The recreation industry
presuaded Congress that consumers spend more money on hotels,
vacations, amusement parks, etc., when DST is in effect. The new law
is a compromise; the industry wanted DST expanded by eight weeks, not
four.
In fact, DST should have been contracted in the fall, not expanded.
It's dark in the morning in late October. DST used to end near the
beginning of the month, which worked fine. |
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Nog
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:32 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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"GMAN" <glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote in message
news:dk5k60$m01$1@news.xmission.com...
| Quote: | In article <X56dnQKJjvK4jPveRVn-pw@speakeasy.net>, "wkearney99"
wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote:
(me remembering plenty of older systems that vendors abandonded for
the last daylight savings time change 20 years ago).
Yes, me too. Congress has no idea how much they're going to fuck up with
this utterly stupid idea.
If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
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Who cares if they walk to school in the dark. The child molesters aren't up
yet. And don't they play in the dark after school anyway? When the molesters
start coming out? Just start school an hour later if you are worried. But
who the hell needs daylight at five fucking o'clock in the morning??? Some
states like Arizona stay on daylight savings time year round and don't play
with the clocks twice a year. Good example for us all. |
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Jack Ak
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 12:51 am Post subject:
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"Randy S." <rswitt@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:dkbu49$gk2g$1@usenet.osg.ufl.edu...
| Quote: | wkearney99 wrote:
If it saves just a few kids lives so that they are not walking to school
in
the freakin dark, I'm all for it. They are more important than our goddamn
electronics gear!!!!
Oh please, spare me the "save the children" excuses. That's just pathetic.
The main rationalization for changing daylight savings time dates is
saving energy and improving safety for school children. Why is
discussing the pros of the time change as opposed to the cons pathetic?
Do you really only want to hear one side of an argument?
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Elementary school start times can be modified to not begin sooner than
a few hours after sunrise. In the northern states the school day could
be shortened if school day ends too close to sunset.
The Daylight Saving Time change is not a factor in school children's safety. |
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Dave Hinz
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:18:46 +0000 (UTC), MegaZone <newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is all artificial anyway, I'd rather seen them dump the whole thing
and just keep the clocks the same all year. The system was originally
mainly for farming and keeping daylight during the work day, which has
little bearing on the vast majority of the modern world.
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News flash: farmers don't work by the clock, they work by daylight.
Whoever told you it was about farmers was wrong. The cows don't care
that the clock shifted an hour, the get milked when they need to.
| Quote: | Hell, the same thing with the US school year - it was designed around
the planting and harvesting seasons when the kids would be out of
school, helping out on the farm. That could use an overhaul to bring
us to the level of most of the rest of the world too.
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You are aware that farms do still exist, right? I mean, you eat and
everything; where do you think the food comes from?
| Quote: | Political crap, all of it.
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There's crap involved, that's for sure. |
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Randy S.
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:46 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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| Quote: | So what? The rest of the world doesn't screw up the entire
educational system to handle what is a very small minority. US
students spend less time in school than most of the other western
nations, and have a much longer summer break, which impacts education.
For what? How many of those kids are off on the farms? If you run a
school where a significant number of the kids are working on farms,
then adjust your local school year for it. But the fact is the vast
majority of students have nothing at all to do with farming and it is
silly to schedule the school year around agricultural needs in the
modern age.
The reason it doesn't change is political. People are used to the
long summer breaks and balk at changing that.
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Hmm, there's much truth to that, though I don't see that it's political.
Inertia? Maybe. Though that doesn't explain changing it. The
*admitted* arguments are child safety (whether you think it actually
applies or not) and energy savings. I agree that the child safety issue
is fairly arbitrary, though I would say it would be awkward to change
the *time* of the school day during the year without changing everyone
else's schedule as well, which is basically what DST does.
There are some real energy savings though, several studies have shown
that (sorry, I don't have references, feel free to discount it). People
don't shift their sleep schedules to daylight anymore like they did
before A/C, electric lights, etc. So if we screw around with the clock
so that people use less electricity it's probably a good thing.
Anything to keep gas and heating oil prices down. I feel sorry for the
Midwesterners this winter who will find their heating bills go up 70%!
Fortunately, here in FL, my utility bills go *down* in the Winter, not up.
Randy S. |
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