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Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:10 am Post subject:
Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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I have a way-old series 1 Tivo, and love it.
Is Tivo going to be able to adjust to the new DST that starts in 2007?
Assuming the old box lives that long.....
Mike
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agentxfile
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:07 am Post subject:
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What do you mean by "new Daylight Savings Time in 2007"?
agentxfile
mdmarshall@my-deja.com wrote:
| Quote: | I have a way-old series 1 Tivo, and love it.
Is Tivo going to be able to adjust to the new DST that starts in 2007?
Assuming the old box lives that long.....
Mike
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Jeff Rife
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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(mdmarshall@my-deja.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | I have a way-old series 1 Tivo, and love it.
Is Tivo going to be able to adjust to the new DST that starts in 2007?
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Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
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Gordon Burditt
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | What do you mean by "new Daylight Savings Time in 2007"?
agentxfile
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Bush and Congress messed with the formula for the starting and
ending dates for Daylight Savings Time, starting in 2007.
Gordon L. Burditt |
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Chris Adams
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject:
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Once upon a time, agentxfile <nospam@cox.net> said:
| Quote: | What do you mean by "new Daylight Savings Time in 2007"?
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Congress passed a change to the start and end of Daylight Savings Time,
and that change goes into effect in 2007. DST will start a few weeks
earlier on the second Sunday in March and end a week later on the first
Sunday in November.
If TiVo uses the standard Unix time handling functions, it is a simple
update, and one which I'm sure they'll make.
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Chris Adams
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 12:35 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
| Quote: | Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
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I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC. Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
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Chris Adams <cmadams@hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
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Doug McIntyre
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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cmadams@hiwaay.net (Chris Adams) writes:
| Quote: | Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC. Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
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But will they really support Series 1 and other older systems 2 years
down the road and patch up the systems with a software upgrade? Or
will they be forgotton and left by the wayside?
(me remembering plenty of older systems that vendors abandonded for
the last daylight savings time change 20 years ago). |
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Jeff Rife
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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Chris Adams (cmadams@hiwaay.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC.
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I don't know exactly what standard the oldest software uses...remember the
OP has a series 1. I do know that there are ways that allow you to set
the clock manually, and they don't use UTC as input, so that might work.
| Quote: | Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
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If this is true, then series 1 units are pretty much hosed without a
special update, since there won't be any functionality updates for them.
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Jeff Rife | "Isn't that just great? I can't find a real
| relationship...I'm incapable of meaningless
| sex...what does that leave me? Oh, my
| God...I'm gonna have to learn computers."
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Scott Nelson - Wash DC
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dcebbba928280ac98a0b0@news.nabs.net...
| Quote: | Chris Adams (cmadams@hiwaay.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC.
I don't know exactly what standard the oldest software uses...remember the
OP has a series 1. I do know that there are ways that allow you to set
the clock manually, and they don't use UTC as input, so that might work.
Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
If this is true, then series 1 units are pretty much hosed without a
special update, since there won't be any functionality updates for them.
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-->I agree, I don't think that S1 units will be updated/supported either but
there's always a chance.
I have 3 S1 boxes as well so, yeah, I thought about that last week as well.
If you have a hacked TiVO and can telnet into the box, looks like we will
have to do the "date" command to manually set the time until the unit is
past the new time change period. :-(
bash-2.02# date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]
Example:
bash-2.02# date 10301221200500
Command works, I just tried it.
It's going to suck for a week or two as after it dials out, I will have to
do the command again.
Looks like things ( network and phone ) will be unplugged for a week or two
eh? ;-)
Scotty |
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agentxfile
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Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:31 pm Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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Well, if Tivo doesn't support it then I think they will have alot of
pissed-off people who still has a Series 1 unit(like me), because we
didn't pay the lifetime fee for nothing after all of this time. So, they
better fix it.
agentxfile
Scott Nelson - Wash DC wrote:
| Quote: | "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dcebbba928280ac98a0b0@news.nabs.net...
Chris Adams (cmadams@hiwaay.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and you'll
be fine.
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC.
I don't know exactly what standard the oldest software uses...remember the
OP has a series 1. I do know that there are ways that allow you to set
the clock manually, and they don't use UTC as input, so that might work.
Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
If this is true, then series 1 units are pretty much hosed without a
special update, since there won't be any functionality updates for them.
-->I agree, I don't think that S1 units will be updated/supported either but
there's always a chance.
I have 3 S1 boxes as well so, yeah, I thought about that last week as well.
If you have a hacked TiVO and can telnet into the box, looks like we will
have to do the "date" command to manually set the time until the unit is
past the new time change period. :-(
bash-2.02# date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]
Example:
bash-2.02# date 10301221200500
Command works, I just tried it.
It's going to suck for a week or two as after it dials out, I will have to
do the command again.
Looks like things ( network and phone ) will be unplugged for a week or two
eh? ;-)
Scotty
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Seth
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 1:32 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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"agentxfile" <nospam@cox.net> wrote in message
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Well, if Tivo doesn't support it then I think they will have alot of
pissed-off people who still has a Series 1 unit(like me), because we
didn't pay the lifetime fee for nothing after all of this time. So, they
better fix it.
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Considering the "personality" of the company as well as the issue of people
like you with a Lifetime sub (and the bad press they would get if they left
you out in the cold on an issue like this) it would be my guess that they
would release a patch to handle this issue. I have no proof or press
releases to base this off of, just a feeling and expectation. |
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Jeff Rife
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:37 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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Scott Nelson - Wash DC (spamcop@bnmnetworks.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | I have 3 S1 boxes as well so, yeah, I thought about that last week as well.
If you have a hacked TiVO and can telnet into the box, looks like we will
have to do the "date" command to manually set the time until the unit is
past the new time change period. :-(
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After looking around for a while, I think if you replace the file
"/etc/localtime" with an updated version from any Linux distribution, you
should be fine. The format for that file hasn't changed for a while, and
the GNU library functions load it at run time, so it shouldn't be hard-coded
into any app.
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Jeff Rife | "The only petitions that I sign are to bring back
| canceled sitcoms, thank you. America needs the
| wisdom of 'Herman's Head' now more than ever."
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agentxfile
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:29 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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I know this about my series 1 - HDR112 Tivo there hasn't been a
completed "Service Data Download" since Monday-Dec. 6th, which I think
was either 2004 or it could have been 2003 this is because I am not sure
as it doesn't say the year.
And I am guessing that there won't be anymore for my series 1 - HDR112
Tivo, unless they do one for new Daylight Saving Time change.
agentxfile
agentxfile wrote:
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Well, if Tivo doesn't support it then I think they will have alot of
pissed-off people who still has a Series 1 unit(like me), because we
didn't pay the lifetime fee for nothing after all of this time. So,
they better fix it.
agentxfile
Scott Nelson - Wash DC wrote:
"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dcebbba928280ac98a0b0@news.nabs.net...
Chris Adams (cmadams@hiwaay.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
Once upon a time, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> said:
Yes, because the time gets set via a phone call. You may have a
brief
period where the time is wrong, but just force a phone call and
you'll
be fine.
I'm pretty sure that TiVo's actually keep the system clock in UTC and
that they use NTP (Network Time Protocol) to set the clock, and NTP
always uses UTC.
I don't know exactly what standard the oldest software
uses...remember the
OP has a series 1. I do know that there are ways that allow you to set
the clock manually, and they don't use UTC as input, so that might
work.
Time zone calculations are probably done using the
standard Unix time handling functions which use a local config
file; if
so, TiVo will need to send out some type of update for that file.
If this is true, then series 1 units are pretty much hosed without a
special update, since there won't be any functionality updates for
them.
-->I agree, I don't think that S1 units will be updated/supported
either but
there's always a chance.
I have 3 S1 boxes as well so, yeah, I thought about that last week as
well.
If you have a hacked TiVO and can telnet into the box, looks like we
will
have to do the "date" command to manually set the time until the unit is
past the new time change period. :-(
bash-2.02# date [MMDDhhmm[[CC]YY][.ss]]
Example:
bash-2.02# date 10301221200500
Command works, I just tried it.
It's going to suck for a week or two as after it dials out, I will
have to
do the command again.
Looks like things ( network and phone ) will be unplugged for a week
or two
eh? ;-)
Scotty
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Howard
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:38 am Post subject:
Re: Daylight savings change in 2007 |
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agentxfile <nospam@cox.net> wrote in news:qHc9f.14433$i%.9002@fed1read07:
| Quote: | I know this about my series 1 - HDR112 Tivo there hasn't been a
completed "Service Data Download" since Monday-Dec. 6th, which I think
was either 2004 or it could have been 2003 this is because I am not sure
as it doesn't say the year.
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It was 2004, and this was one of the 'secret' programs, Advanced Paid
Programming (along with Teleworld/TiVo Paid Programming). APP has been
abandoned, it has nothing to do with being a Series1. It was quite a treat
to watch if you caught it on a regular tv. TPP CAN be seen on a regular
tv, however, and is pretty much video clips, not data.
| Quote: | And I am guessing that there won't be anymore for my series 1 - HDR112
Tivo, unless they do one for new Daylight Saving Time change.
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I imagine there will be a patch to the Series1 software to comply with the
new rules...they may or may not remove the service data download line...it
IS removed from later versions of the software. While development is
pretty much dead for the Series1, I think this would count as a bug fix (a
bug introduced by Congress is still a bug) and be addressed.
--
Minister of All Things Digital & Electronic, and Holder of Past Knowledge
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I speak for no one but myself, and |Caffeine will be assimilated.
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Jeff Rife
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Chris Adams (cmadams@hiwaay.net) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
| Quote: | For the person with a TiVo command line: I bet if you run "date" you'll
see a UTC time. That means that the hardware clock in the TiVo doesn't
care about time zones or DST; the TiVo software accounts for it some
other way. It may even be a part of the regular data stream download,
in which case they won't even require a software update to follow the
DST change.
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No, that won't work. At some point, the TiVo clock needs to jump forward or
back one hour. It knows when to do this right now, but won't do it at the
right time in 2007. And, it needs to know how to do this even if the time
change happens after a reboot but before a "correcting" phone call. So,
there must be *some* file on the disc that stores the info (storing in the
guide data won't make any difference). Finding and editing that file should
be all that needs to be done.
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