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Prometheus
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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In article <aqofm19uenee08kp1kpdkhj466vhlt5du0@4ax.com>, kashe@sonic.net
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| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:58:44 -0600, Andrew Rossmann
andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.
Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.
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Most of mine check every hour, one mains powered clock blanks the
display and checks at midnight repeating hourly a few times if it fails.
My wristwatches check hourly from midnight to 4 or 5 am.
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GMAN
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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In article <dk5kng$i2q$1@news.service.uci.edu>, David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | 1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
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Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs involved. What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
Screw Kyoto, Screw the EU.
| Quote: | Alternatives which are easy to do, yet would save a lot of energy:
We could easily reduce the amount of oil wasted by simply putting
out a general ban on silly things, for example, SUVs for single drivers
who only go back and forth from work. (Really, now... how many of those
SUV drivers really, really tow, carry 8 kids, etc.) This is not to say
that nobody can own one, but rather, there should be a change in
thinking that says "If I don't need one, don't buy one.".
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Who the fuck are YOU to tell me what i can drive. Eric Cartman had it right
when he said "Democrats piss me off"
| Quote: | The difference alone between a <15mpg SUV and a >30MPG sedan would
allow for a tremendous savings in energy alone.
We could easily switch out the many incandescent lightbulbs for
fluorescents.
Make sure all of our computers are set with power savings/sleep mode.
Kindly turn off all unused lights.
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I agree with the turn off all unused lights. I cant stand it when people have
nearly all of their lights on in the house in the middle of the day instead of
openeing the freaking miniblinds.
It does not though come from some liberal thinking in my head , just common
sense.
| Quote: | etc, etc.
2) DST does result in people getting into accidents and getting injured
due to the abrupt time change. Definitely not worth the 1 hour change.
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Thousands of kids lives are saved yearly because of DST.
| Quote: | 3) DST can easily be replaced by a) simply doing nothing for DST b)
moving the time 30 minutes in between and leaving it there permenantly
c) realizing that the fundamental savings from DST can be achieved by
many other sensible, less disruptive means.
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Very similar to the 'mess' that's been created by certain individuals
with personal/political/etc bents in the IRS system, same goes for the
DST system.
If you think about it, a flat 20% or so tax on everyone and every
company in the USA would immediately eliminate all of the crazy
paperwork, scanning, double-checking, etc. resulting from the myriad of
1040/etc. forms and the tax code which goes volumes and thousands of
pages long. Quick, easy, fair, and everyone would spend far less time
from their lives worrying and filling out more paperwork/busywork.
That's all DST comes down to - more useless busywork.
You call taking 20% of my hard earned money fair? Who ya going to give it to, |
some fat bitch welfare mother who keeps popping out bastards to get bigger
welfare checks? |
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cjcampbell
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:45 am Post subject:
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Stewy wrote:
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Really? You'd prefer sunrise at 4am and sunset at 4pm? Dumb and dumber!
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It really seems that any supposed benefits from DST could be achieved
just as readily by permanently changing business or school start times
by an hour. Then you could have these alleged benefits all year 'round!
Even so, the benefits are highly questionable. School children in
Seattle still go to school largely in the dark and they come home in
the dark, too. No one seems to be running over kids in Arizona or
Indiana in any greater numbers than anywhere else. Electricity usage
does not seem to vary much, either, between places that use DST and
those that do not.
DST costs far more than it is worth. I would not be surprised if it
actually kills people who are rushing around trying to correct mistakes
in their schedule. Personally, if I had my way, we would all just use
UTC and be done with it. Pilots do that anyway and it does not cause
any pwoblems. I have not notized anee efects fum slep dep depri
dpreviash lak of slep asci88h3haldkmcn |
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Richard Crowley
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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"GMAN" wrote ...
| Quote: | David Chien wrote:
1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's
energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs
involved. What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from
being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
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And leave it to a neo-"progressive" to completely forget
that DST was instituted during WW2 to *SAVE* money and
resources. (If they even studied real history in school.)
And of course, Mr. Chien also appears to dwell much closer
to the equator where he does not percieve the benefits to those
in more northern latitudes. |
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Paul Allen
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:30 pm Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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Ron Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Paul Allen wrote:
Some questions:
1) What is your receiver? I'll bet it does have a way to tell it the
local offset from UTC.
It's an Eagle Explorer with version 1.4 firmware, dated January 20,
1977. You can bet if you want, but it has no way to set a local offset
from UTC. There's nothing about it in the owner's manual.
1977? Seems a bit old for GPS. I thought MINE was old...
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Yup. Should have typed "1997". It's just a little more than twice as
old as my camera, to bring things back to topic. :-)
Paul |
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Ron Hunter
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:06 pm Post subject:
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ASAAR wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:51:48 GMT, kashe@sonic.net wrote:
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.
Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.
Mine checks for a radio update four times daily. As it's a small
battery powered clock I sometimes disable the auto-update feature.
I have an older, stupider line powered clock. After a power failure
it will again get the correct time, but for the wrong time location
since the time zone is stored in volatile memory.
Mine corrects between midnight and 1AM. Often enough for me. |
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Ron Hunter
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 3:10 pm Post subject:
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Richard Crowley wrote:
| Quote: | "GMAN" wrote ...
David Chien wrote:
1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs
involved. What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from
being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
And leave it to a neo-"progressive" to completely forget
that DST was instituted during WW2 to *SAVE* money and
resources. (If they even studied real history in school.)
And of course, Mr. Chien also appears to dwell much closer
to the equator where he does not percieve the benefits to those
in more northern latitudes.
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Oh? Try explaining the benefits of DST to those in Nome, Alaska.
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Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net |
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Randall Ainsworth
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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In article <dk9i2k$d9k$1@news.xmission.com>, GMAN
<glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs involved.
What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
Screw Kyoto, Screw the EU.
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Yeah baby! Go! |
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AnthonyR
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:24 am Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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"Randall Ainsworth" <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
news:021120050601104676%rag@nospam.techline.com...
| Quote: | In article <dk9i2k$d9k$1@news.xmission.com>, GMAN
glenzabr@xmission.com> wrote:
Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs involved.
What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from being
run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
Screw Kyoto, Screw the EU.
Yeah baby! Go!
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In cases like that, up North wouldn't it be easier for school districts to
change the start of school time to an hour later, than changing everyone
else's clocks? |
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AnthonyR
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:27 am Post subject:
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<kashe@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:aqofm19uenee08kp1kpdkhj466vhlt5du0@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:58:44 -0600, Andrew Rossmann
andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.
Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.
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My atomic clock doesn't work at all, as automatic and didn't even adjust for
dst either.
Is that in the signal or just in it's programming adjusted by calendar? |
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Andrew Rossmann
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 4:41 am Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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In article <pouaf.15$ek6.13@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
nomail@nospam.com says...
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kashe@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:aqofm19uenee08kp1kpdkhj466vhlt5du0@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:58:44 -0600, Andrew Rossmann
andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.
Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.
My atomic clock doesn't work at all, as automatic and didn't even adjust for
dst either.
Is that in the signal or just in it's programming adjusted by calendar?
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A few links:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1383.pdf
According to the .PDF (page 21), a DST flag is transmitted on bits 57
and 58 of the digital signal.
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All junk mail senders will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: End of Daylight Time in US: Have you changed your camera |
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 05:13:25 GMT, glenzabr@xmission.com (GMAN) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <dk5kng$i2q$1@news.service.uci.edu>, David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote:
1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
Leave it to a liberal to worry about the so called energy costs involved. What
about the lives of all the school age kids who will be saved from being run
over by now not having to walk to school in the freaking dark.
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Cite statistics for this lunatic reasoning.
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Screw Kyoto, Screw the EU.
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No -- screw you.
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Alternatives which are easy to do, yet would save a lot of energy:
We could easily reduce the amount of oil wasted by simply putting
out a general ban on silly things, for example, SUVs for single drivers
who only go back and forth from work. (Really, now... how many of those
SUV drivers really, really tow, carry 8 kids, etc.) This is not to say
that nobody can own one, but rather, there should be a change in
thinking that says "If I don't need one, don't buy one.".
Who the fuck are YOU to tell me what i can drive. Eric Cartman had it right
when he said "Democrats piss me off"
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So you fiond your political mentors on South Park. What a
politically sophisticated person are you.
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The difference alone between a <15mpg SUV and a >30MPG sedan would
allow for a tremendous savings in energy alone.
We could easily switch out the many incandescent lightbulbs for
fluorescents.
Make sure all of our computers are set with power savings/sleep mode.
Kindly turn off all unused lights.
I agree with the turn off all unused lights. I cant stand it
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Well, that's certainly reason enough for me to change my
behavior. We should all accept the reasons you consider valid and shun
the ones you don't agree with.
| Quote: | when people have
nearly all of their lights on in the house in the middle of the day instead of
openeing the freaking miniblinds.
It does not though come from some liberal thinking in my head , just common
sense.
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Gleaned from the hours you've spent watching South Park?
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etc, etc.
2) DST does result in people getting into accidents and getting injured
due to the abrupt time change. Definitely not worth the 1 hour change.
Thousands of kids lives are saved yearly because of DST.
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Cite.
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3) DST can easily be replaced by a) simply doing nothing for DST b)
moving the time 30 minutes in between and leaving it there permenantly
c) realizing that the fundamental savings from DST can be achieved by
many other sensible, less disruptive means.
---
Very similar to the 'mess' that's been created by certain individuals
with personal/political/etc bents in the IRS system, same goes for the
DST system.
If you think about it, a flat 20% or so tax on everyone and every
company in the USA would immediately eliminate all of the crazy
paperwork, scanning, double-checking, etc. resulting from the myriad of
1040/etc. forms and the tax code which goes volumes and thousands of
pages long. Quick, easy, fair, and everyone would spend far less time
from their lives worrying and filling out more paperwork/busywork.
That's all DST comes down to - more useless busywork.
You call taking 20% of my hard earned money fair? Who ya going to give it to,
some fat bitch welfare mother who keeps popping out bastards to get bigger
welfare checks?
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No -- to a fucking narrow-minded bigot piece of shit who lives
at your address. You'll find him in front of the TV syudying civics by
watching South Park. |
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AnthonyR
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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"Andrew Rossmann" <andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1dd44e0b7383ea4098975c@newsgroups.comcast.net...
| Quote: | In article <pouaf.15$ek6.13@news-wrt-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>,
nomail@nospam.com says...
kashe@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:aqofm19uenee08kp1kpdkhj466vhlt5du0@4ax.com...
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:58:44 -0600, Andrew Rossmann
andysnewsreply@no_junk.comcast.net> wrote:
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the
evening.
Because most of them only correct once a day, not
continuously.
My atomic clock doesn't work at all, as automatic and didn't even adjust
for
dst either.
Is that in the signal or just in it's programming adjusted by calendar?
A few links:
http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/
http://tf.nist.gov/general/pdf/1383.pdf
According to the .PDF (page 21), a DST flag is transmitted on bits 57
and 58 of the digital signal.
--
If there is a no_junk in my address, please REMOVE it before replying!
All junk mail senders will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
law!!
http://home.att.net/~andyross
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Thanks Andrew,
I guess I don't get the signal at all cause I am near a metal bridge, so
they say.
And I didn't know the DST signal was also broadcast i thought it was in the
internal rom run by calendar.
Thanks,
AnthonyR. |
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