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Ron Hunter
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:59 pm Post subject:
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ASAAR wrote:
| Quote: | On 30 Oct 2005 19:52:31 GMT, George Kerby wrote:
I don't know why but if the phone is on, Verizon CDMA V60, it does not
auto change the time to from daylight savings to standard. To get the
correct time I have to turn the phone off and back on.
My computer, a Mac, changed the time this morning, it gets the time
from a network time server, but the newsreader program I use has to be
closed and reopened or it shows the wrong time after the time change.
Conclusion from this and the immediate preceeding post by ASAAR:
Macs are smarter than both the Cellular phone system OS and MS
Operating system.
I don't think that I said anything indicating that although it may
well have been true. It was more a comment on the legendary
instability of early versions of Windows. Recent versions are much
more stable, but it wouldn't surprise me much if the latest version
of the Mac OS was more stable than XP. Probably smarter too. :)
Well, it is several years newer, even with SP2, WinXP is essentially |
still a 20th Century OS. Not that I have great hopes for Vista, but it
should be smarter in many ways. I see no great difficulty in handling a
database that would allow correct setting of DST where ever the user
told the computer he lived, even for Indiana...where DST is INSANE.
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Dave Martindale
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:
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"paul dot l dot allen at comcast dot net" writes:
| Quote: | Of course the system knows nothing about local time. And I'm
pretty sure my 1997-vintage GPS receiver doesn't know anything
about time zone boundaries. It also has no way for me to tell it
the local offset from UTC. But, I took it out in the front yard this
morning and told it to do a cold start. It thought for a while
and then announced that it knew my location, the current UTC time,
and the correct local time (8 hours behind UTC). How did it do that
if the system didn't know how to tell it my time zone offset?
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Some questions:
1) What is your receiver? I'll bet it does have a way to tell it the
local offset from UTC.
2) What did the receiver think the local time zone was before you did
the cold start? Normally, though a cold start reloads all of the
satellite-provided data, it does not reset user-provided data like
the local timezone offset.
3) What do you mean by a cold start anyway? Different receivers mean
different things by this.
| Quote: | That's why it's a mistake to embed knowledge of DST transition dates in
software or firmware. Just let NTP or the GPS system take care of it.
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But the GPS system, by design, knows nothing of local timezone
boundaries, or the dates DST starts and stops.
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Dave Martindale
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject:
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Stewy <anyone4tennis@hotmail.com> writes:
| Quote: | Really? You'd prefer sunrise at 4am and sunset at 4pm? Dumb and dumber!
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If sunrise was 4AM, sunset would be 8 PM. If sunset was 4 PM, sunrise
would be 8 AM. Either way, you get equal hours of light before and
after noon.
The point of daylight savings time is to move sunrise/sunset one hour
earlier on the wall clock, so sunrise/sunset is 9 AM/5 PM or 8 AM/6 PM
or 7 AM/7 PM or 6 AM/8 PM or 5 AM/9 PM.
Basically, in the spring the hours of daylight before noon have been
increasing in step with the hours of daylight after noon. Daylight
Savings time "swipes" one of the extra before-noon hours of daylight and
moves it to after noon.
Whether that's an advantage or not depends on your point of view. It
causes schools, stores, and any business with posted hours to
automatically open and close an hour earlier with respect to the sun,
without having to post or remember new hours.
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ASAAR
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject:
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:59:38 -0600, Ron Hunter wrote:
| Quote: | Well, it is several years newer, even with SP2, WinXP is essentially
still a 20th Century OS. Not that I have great hopes for Vista, but it
should be smarter in many ways. I see no great difficulty in handling a
database that would allow correct setting of DST where ever the user
told the computer he lived, even for Indiana...where DST is INSANE.
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It will no doubt be much smarter. No longer will MS ask "Where do
you want to go today?" Get ready for "Can't get there from here."
and "You are not authorized to go there." As for insanity, this is
from p.11 of the Nov, 2005 issue of Maximum PC discussing DRM:
| Quote: | While proponents behind the next-gen optical formats have been busy
dazzling consumers with tantalizing features and gigantic capacities of
up to 100GB per disc, they're also courting Hollywood with promises
of the most draconian digital rights management (DRM) technology
ever implemented on removable media.
Both of the upcoming next-gen formats (Blu-ray and HD-DVD) have
adopted technology known as the Advanced Access Content System
(AACS) as their primary bulwark agains piracy. AACS prevents
unauthorized duplication by encrypting two keys -- one on the disc and
another unique to each hardware or software DVD player -- with 128-bit
encryption. In order to access a disc's contents, both keys must be
decrypted. This means that any broadcast or reception point must have
AACS support, and network support built into the standard suggests that
the technology might even require an internet connection.
Blu-ray is upping the ante with an additional layer of "content
management" called BD+, and it's nasty stuff. For example, if a particular
DVD is cracked to allow unauthorized copying, the BD+ system permits
other discs to carry a firmware payload that will undo the crack. This is
tantamount to adding new encryption to discs that have been decrypted.
And if an exploit is discovered in a particular model of DVD player -- one
that, for example, disables region codes -- commercial discs could either
refuse to play on that player or disable the player itself, rendering your
hardware unusable until it's serviced or reprogrammed via a BD+ disc
update.
How these technologies will be implemented in PC optical drives is
unclear, and as we went to press the Blu-ray Disc Association had not
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George
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject:
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ASAAR wrote:
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It will no doubt be much smarter. No longer will MS ask "Where do
you want to go today?" Get ready for "Can't get there from here."
and "You are not authorized to go there." As for insanity, this is
from p.11 of the Nov, 2005 issue of Maximum PC discussing DRM:
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Agree, most of what I have read about "Vista" seems to indicate that the
biggest new "features" will be all sorts of DRM controls. |
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Nick Hopton
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject:
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In a recent message <michelle-2F32D1.22194029102005@news.west.cox.net>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote.
| Quote: | I live in Arizona; I don't have to change my clocks.
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Except when in the Navaho Nation, and very confusing it can be for
someone who is already suffering from an eight-hour jet lag <g>.
Regards,
Nick.
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Caversham, Reading, England
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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject:
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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
Ï "jean" <try_to@find.it> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
news:vDZ8f.14998$Nj3.1465466@news20.bellglobal.com...
| Quote: | Cell phones get their time from the network so no adjustment needed.
Not in Europe.
"Gary Edstrom" <gedstrom@pacbell.net> a écrit dans le message de
news:7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfgtea@4ax.com...
For those of you who like to have correct time stamps on your pictures,
remember to set the clock in your still and/or video camera to the
correct time.
Other clocks to consider:
Kitchen Stove - Answering Machine - Still Camera - Video Camera
VCR - Car - Cell Phone - PDA - Microwave - Watch - FAX Machine
Central Air Conditioning - GPS
Gary
DISCLAIMER: 1. Yes, I know that I could keep my camera on GMT so that I
would never have to adjust it, but it's too much of a hassle to mentally
convert GMT to local time every time I look at the picture. 2. Yes, I
now that daylight time is a dumb idea, but what are you going to do? We
have it here! 3. Yes, I know that some electronic items will
automatically adjust to standard time, but not all of us have the latest
and greatest gadgets! 4. Yes, I know that Arizona doesn't have Daylight
time.
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Gary Edstrom <gedstrom@pacbell.net
Visit my Midway Island home page at http://gbe.dynip.com/Midway
Justify my text? I'm sorry but it has no excuse.
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Dimitrios Tzortzakakis
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:
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Tzortzakakis Dimitrios
major in electrical engineering, freelance electrician
FH von Iraklion-Kreta, freiberuflicher Elektriker
dimtzort AT otenet DOT gr
? "ASAAR" <caught@22.com> ?????? ??? ??????
news:vn3am15i0cupr1rm3did8ndda63a9k7vb9@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:30:18 -0700, Bill Funk wrote:
Even with digital, you will have to "re-boot" the phone by turning it
off
and then back on.
Why?
When leaving an analog area, I don't have to reboot the phone; when it
checks into a digital network, it gets all necessary info, including
time.
When entering an analog area, it doesn't need a reboot either.
So what's the need to reboot?
Odds are if it really needs to reboot, it's running on one of MS's
portable Windows platforms. About 10 years ago I couldn't get back
into my office because the elevator bank hadn't been operating for
nearly an hour. When I noticed the console controlling the
elevators appeared to be a Windows app. I asked building security to
reboot the computer. (I had to show them how to do it).
Some security...
Within
seconds after rebooting, the elevators resumed operation. :)
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David Chien
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject:
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1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
Alternatives which are easy to do, yet would save a lot of energy:
We could easily reduce the amount of oil wasted by simply putting
out a general ban on silly things, for example, SUVs for single drivers
who only go back and forth from work. (Really, now... how many of those
SUV drivers really, really tow, carry 8 kids, etc.) This is not to say
that nobody can own one, but rather, there should be a change in
thinking that says "If I don't need one, don't buy one.".
The difference alone between a <15mpg SUV and a >30MPG sedan would
allow for a tremendous savings in energy alone.
We could easily switch out the many incandescent lightbulbs for
fluorescents.
Make sure all of our computers are set with power savings/sleep mode.
Kindly turn off all unused lights.
etc, etc.
2) DST does result in people getting into accidents and getting injured
due to the abrupt time change. Definitely not worth the 1 hour change.
3) DST can easily be replaced by a) simply doing nothing for DST b)
moving the time 30 minutes in between and leaving it there permenantly
c) realizing that the fundamental savings from DST can be achieved by
many other sensible, less disruptive means.
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Very similar to the 'mess' that's been created by certain individuals
with personal/political/etc bents in the IRS system, same goes for the
DST system.
If you think about it, a flat 20% or so tax on everyone and every
company in the USA would immediately eliminate all of the crazy
paperwork, scanning, double-checking, etc. resulting from the myriad of
1040/etc. forms and the tax code which goes volumes and thousands of
pages long. Quick, easy, fair, and everyone would spend far less time
from their lives worrying and filling out more paperwork/busywork.
That's all DST comes down to - more useless busywork. |
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AnthonyR
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:23 am Post subject:
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"David Chien" <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in message
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| Quote: | 1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real benefits
to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy supplies.
Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine w/o DST.
Alternatives which are easy to do, yet would save a lot of energy:
We could easily reduce the amount of oil wasted by simply putting out a
general ban on silly things, for example, SUVs for single drivers who only
go back and forth from work. (Really, now... how many of those SUV
drivers really, really tow, carry 8 kids, etc.) This is not to say that
nobody can own one, but rather, there should be a change in thinking that
says "If I don't need one, don't buy one.".
The difference alone between a <15mpg SUV and a >30MPG sedan would
allow for a tremendous savings in energy alone.
We could easily switch out the many incandescent lightbulbs for
fluorescents.
Make sure all of our computers are set with power savings/sleep mode.
Kindly turn off all unused lights.
etc, etc.
2) DST does result in people getting into accidents and getting injured
due to the abrupt time change. Definitely not worth the 1 hour change.
3) DST can easily be replaced by a) simply doing nothing for DST b) moving
the time 30 minutes in between and leaving it there permenantly c)
realizing that the fundamental savings from DST can be achieved by many
other sensible, less disruptive means.
---
Very similar to the 'mess' that's been created by certain individuals with
personal/political/etc bents in the IRS system, same goes for the DST
system.
If you think about it, a flat 20% or so tax on everyone and every company
in the USA would immediately eliminate all of the crazy paperwork,
scanning, double-checking, etc. resulting from the myriad of 1040/etc.
forms and the tax code which goes volumes and thousands of pages long.
Quick, easy, fair, and everyone would spend far less time from their lives
worrying and filling out more paperwork/busywork.
That's all DST comes down to - more useless busywork.
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Hey David,
I like that idea about moving the time a 1/2 hour inbetween and leaving it
there permanently.
It's a great example of compromise but when have we as a society really
shown the ability to compromise?
Most people like taking sides and leaning on one side or the other, i wish
we did learn to choose the CENTER more
and settle there and stop going back and forth on issues from the right to
the left!
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Bob Allison
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:
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In article <dk5kng$i2q$1@news.service.uci.edu>,
David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote:
| Quote: | 1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
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White man cut top off blanket, sew it on bottom to make blanket longer.
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Andrew Rossmann
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:58 am Post subject:
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In article <7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfgtea@4ax.com>,
gedstrom@pacbell.net says...
| Quote: | For those of you who like to have correct time stamps on your pictures,
remember to set the clock in your still and/or video camera to the
correct time.
Other clocks to consider:
Kitchen Stove - Answering Machine - Still Camera - Video Camera
VCR - Car - Cell Phone - PDA - Microwave - Watch - FAX Machine
Central Air Conditioning - GPS
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Also some remote controls. Some routers if you use logging and they
don't auto-correct (my old D-Link required manually entering the
month/week when DT and ST started and ended!
My VCR, which is configured to auto-set, changed to CST a week ago!!!
Luckily, I rarely use it as I have a Comcast DCT-6412 DVR now.
My computer-connected multi-function fax updated itself when the
computer booted up and connected to it.
One of my 'atomic' clocks didn't adjust until sometime in the evening.
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All junk mail senders will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the
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Bob Harrington
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:14 am Post subject:
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David Chien <chiendh@uci.edu> wrote in news:dk5kng$i2q$1
@news.service.uci.edu:
| Quote: | 1) DST is a fundamental waste of time, energy, and brings no real
benefits to a country that already consumes ~half of the world's energy
supplies. Also, many other nations and even states do perfectly fine
w/o DST.
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In other words: If you need to do it in daylight, do it in daylight. |
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Doug Mitton
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:35 am Post subject:
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Gary Edstrom <gedstrom@pacbell.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 23:12:59 +0900, Stewy <anyone4tennis@hotmail.com
wrote:
In article <7ek8m1dg6pt1hskd1jrh2np3612rvfgtea@4ax.com>,
Gary Edstrom <gedstrom@pacbell.net> wrote:
Yes, I now that daylight time is a dumb idea, but what are you going to do?
Really? You'd prefer sunrise at 4am and sunset at 4pm? Dumb and dumber!
The point is that EVERY year I promise myself that I am NOT going to
post this reminder the following year, and EVERY year I ignore my own
advice and post it anyway. I guess I'll never learn!
The ONLY purpose for posting this was as a friendly reminder to people
to adjust their camera clocks, something that is easy to forget. I
didn't intend to start the whole stupid DST discussion over again.
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Thanks for posting as I had completely forgotten my poor Canon! :-)
I only had a few clocks and watches to change this year ... my alarm
clock automatically switches!
I use Linux and I have been using and modifying `s10sh` for awhile
now. I actually have the utility configured that it checks the time
everytime I access the camera and if its out more than 10 min it
corrects the time in the camera auto-magically. This was my first
opportunity to check this out since making the mod and I was surprised
when it worked! :-) (I had actually forgotten it was in there!)
Any way ... ignore the ODD responses and keep doing it! Some of us
appreciate the reminder!
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Paul Allen
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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George wrote:
| Quote: | ASAAR wrote:
It will no doubt be much smarter. No longer will MS ask "Where do
you want to go today?" Get ready for "Can't get there from here."
and "You are not authorized to go there." As for insanity, this is
from p.11 of the Nov, 2005 issue of Maximum PC discussing DRM:
Agree, most of what I have read about "Vista" seems to indicate that the
biggest new "features" will be all sorts of DRM controls.
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I don't expect Microsoft's next version of Windows to affect me much
more than previous versions have. I don't use it unless there's no
other choice, and there's almost always some other choice.
What does bother me is the apparent push to develop DRM-equipped
hardware that can refuse to operate for an OS or application that
cannot authenticate itself. The authentication method is protected
by an expensive license, precluding its use by open-source
software. Magnetic disk makers have floated such schemes, and
now it seems the next generation of optical drives may have
hardware-embedded DRM. There's an awful lot of money pushing
this, and the current US administration is openly hostile to
the rights of consumers. Most past copy protection schemes have
either failed or been abandoned, but the technological means to
restrict your right to the fair use of content are becoming
increasingly cheap and sophisticated.
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