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Alpha
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:20 am Post subject:
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
--Albert Einstein
Hmmm.... You ask if someone is "another" retard, then
you quote Albert Einstein? Think much of yourself there,
Bob?
"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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It is a revealing quote...revealing how wrong Einstein was. He never
could grasp Heisenberg.
While Heisenberg and uncertainty could provide an alternate
interpretation on the genesis of the phenomenon Einstein described,
I don't see how you can say that makes him wrong, in any way.
It was the nature of the human reaction, that is the quote.
/Ken
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I diagree completely. He was not wrong in the science he theoretically
proposed, but he was most certainly wrong in philosophy. God does play with
dice.
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Alpha
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:43:02 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
It is a revealing quote...revealing how wrong Einstein was. He never
could
grasp Heisenberg.
Einstein and the other Realists (Schrodinger, Planck, et al) won the
battle over Bohr, Heisenberg and the Copenhagenists (Pauli, et al).
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Absolute rubish. Talk to a contemporary quantum or plasma physicist. |
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Bob
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 2:46 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:20:53 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Einstein and the other Realists (Schrodinger, Planck, et al) won the
battle over Bohr, Heisenberg and the Copenhagenists (Pauli, et al).
Absolute rubish. Talk to a contemporary quantum or plasma physicist.
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You are completely wrong.
Read the contemporary literature.
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A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of
complete fools. |
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Alpha
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject:
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:20:53 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
Einstein and the other Realists (Schrodinger, Planck, et al) won the
battle over Bohr, Heisenberg and the Copenhagenists (Pauli, et al).
Absolute rubish. Talk to a contemporary quantum or plasma physicist.
You are completely wrong.
Read the contemporary literature.
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I write the contemporary literature. |
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Serial # 19781010
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:00 pm Post subject:
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:43:02 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It is a revealing quote...revealing how wrong Einstein was. He never could
grasp Heisenberg.
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A conversation between Einstein and Bohr over Heisenberg and
uncertainty...
Einstein:
God would not have created such a universe.
Bohr:
Al, you really must stop telling God what he can and cannot do. |
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Bob
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 01:18:55 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:20:53 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
Einstein and the other Realists (Schrodinger, Planck, et al) won the
battle over Bohr, Heisenberg and the Copenhagenists (Pauli, et al).
Absolute rubish. Talk to a contemporary quantum or plasma physicist.
You are completely wrong.
Read the contemporary literature.
I write the contemporary literature.
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Then you should know that Copenhagen has been debunked.
The Moon does not disappear when you stop looking at it.
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A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of
complete fools. |
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Bob
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 7:38 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:00:01 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net>
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| Quote: | A conversation between Einstein and Bohr over Heisenberg and
uncertainty...
Einstein:
God would not have created such a universe.
Bohr:
Al, you really must stop telling God what he can and cannot do.
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God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
But that does not mean the Universe cannot have intrinsically
unknowable quantities when an algorithm does not exist to compute
their value. If the distribution of possible values is flat and they
are independent of one another, then you can say that the quantity is
random. But the process overall is not random. The fact that QM uses
Unitary operators guarantees that.
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A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of
complete fools. |
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Alpha
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:17 am Post subject:
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:00:01 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net
wrote:
A conversation between Einstein and Bohr over Heisenberg and
uncertainty...
Einstein:
God would not have created such a universe.
Bohr:
Al, you really must stop telling God what he can and cannot do.
God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
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That is not a logical arguement. There are enough contraditions in current
theory to demonstrate we are a very long way from understanding the message
called 'the universe.' The question is to what extent are we *imposing*
order, rather than discovering it. I would suggest we are doing a lot of
invention rather than reading/discovering some set of natural laws (a
concept I reject entirely). |
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Ken Maltby
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:29 am Post subject:
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"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:00:01 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net
wrote:
A conversation between Einstein and Bohr over Heisenberg and
uncertainty...
Einstein:
God would not have created such a universe.
Bohr:
Al, you really must stop telling God what he can and cannot do.
God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
That is not a logical arguement. There are enough contraditions in
current theory to demonstrate we are a very long way from understanding
the message called 'the universe.' The question is to what extent are we
*imposing* order, rather than discovering it. I would suggest we are
doing a lot of invention rather than reading/discovering some set of
natural laws (a concept I reject entirely).
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So, Newton got that lump on his head because he just
happened to be lying under an apple tree, when he
"invented" gravity? You must be very popular with the
MTV Generation.
LOL;
Ken |
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Alpha
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:48 am Post subject:
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 04:00:01 -0600, Serial # 19781010 <none@none.net
wrote:
A conversation between Einstein and Bohr over Heisenberg and
uncertainty...
Einstein:
God would not have created such a universe.
Bohr:
Al, you really must stop telling God what he can and cannot do.
God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
That is not a logical arguement. There are enough contraditions in
current theory to demonstrate we are a very long way from understanding
the message called 'the universe.' The question is to what extent are we
*imposing* order, rather than discovering it. I would suggest we are
doing a lot of invention rather than reading/discovering some set of
natural laws (a concept I reject entirely).
So, Newton got that lump on his head because he just
happened to be lying under an apple tree, when he
"invented" gravity? You must be very popular with the
MTV Generation.
LOL;
Ken
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What do you think gravity is? It is an invented concept connected to
reliable observations, nothing more, nothing less.
Show me some gravitons LOL |
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Serial # 19781010
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:38:12 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
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Before modern systematic analytical science our ignorance of the
Universe was of a meager sort. Now it is profound and satisfying. |
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Ken Maltby
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:40 am Post subject:
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"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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The question is to what extent are we *imposing* order, rather than
discovering it. I would suggest we are doing a lot of invention rather
than reading/discovering some set of natural laws (a concept I reject
entirely).
So, Newton got that lump on his head because he just
happened to be lying under an apple tree, when he
"invented" gravity? You must be very popular with the
MTV Generation.
LOL;
Ken
What do you think gravity is? It is an invented concept connected to
reliable observations, nothing more, nothing less.
Show me some gravitons LOL
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So we are again in the land of the lawyer's use of terms.
To most of us "Gravity" is the force that caused the apple
to fall. To you "gravity" is the "invented concept" of the
mathematician who got bopped on the head. If the "inventor"
were to have it wrong, then gravity is wrong, an invalid
concept.
You know if you really believed that then, you should be
more inclined to believe there is a "Natural Law" out there
to be discovered. If your "concept inventor" were to find
the proper means to observe how it works.
The observable phenomena have "Natural" as opposed
to meta-physical/super-natural or subjective explanations.
While I can agree that a particular mathematical model of
the unobservable forces that create an observable event,
may be totally wrong, ( as in the "Global Warming" by
virtue of human activity models) that does not mean that
there is a un-natural explanation that can't be set to
numerical description.
Luck;
Ken |
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Alpha
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:53 am Post subject:
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5cadnRO6NZkk6PPeRVn-uA@giganews.com...
The question is to what extent are we *imposing* order, rather than
discovering it. I would suggest we are doing a lot of invention rather
than reading/discovering some set of natural laws (a concept I reject
entirely).
So, Newton got that lump on his head because he just
happened to be lying under an apple tree, when he
"invented" gravity? You must be very popular with the
MTV Generation.
LOL;
Ken
What do you think gravity is? It is an invented concept connected to
reliable observations, nothing more, nothing less.
Show me some gravitons LOL
So we are again in the land of the lawyer's use of terms.
To most of us "Gravity" is the force that caused the apple
to fall. To you "gravity" is the "invented concept" of the
mathematician who got bopped on the head. If the "inventor"
were to have it wrong, then gravity is wrong, an invalid
concept.
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Gravity IS wrong in many quantum theories.
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You know if you really believed that then, you should be
more inclined to believe there is a "Natural Law" out there
to be discovered. If your "concept inventor" were to find
the proper means to observe how it works.
The observable phenomena have "Natural" as opposed
to meta-physical/super-natural or subjective explanations.
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No. Objectivity is the reliability of observations, not a property of the
external world. Please read the following book (however non-technical):
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0375708111/002-0949729-8088849?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
| Quote: | While I can agree that a particular mathematical model of
the unobservable forces that create an observable event,
may be totally wrong, ( as in the "Global Warming" by
virtue of human activity models) that does not mean that
there is a un-natural explanation that can't be set to
numerical description.
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Try negative mass and infinite velocity in your equations (they are required
for non-Newtonian approaches in some arenas of model building). |
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Alpha
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:53 am Post subject:
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"Serial # 19781010" <none@none.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sun, 06 Nov 2005 13:38:12 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
God does not play dice with the Universe. There is enough manifest
order to demonstrate that to almost anyone with a receptive mind.
Before modern systematic analytical science our ignorance of the
Universe was of a meager sort. Now it is profound and satisfying.
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Then you are not directly working in sub-atomic physics nor astrrophysics. |
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Bob
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Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:52 pm Post subject:
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On Sun, 6 Nov 2005 21:53:55 -0800, "Alpha" <none@none.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Then you are not directly working in sub-atomic physics nor astrrophysics.
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Who would want to.
Physics died 35 years ago when the govt ran off all the talented
people. Now the university physics departments look like third world
countries. And the bitter irony is that we taxpayers get to educate
these foreigners only to find them going back home using their
knowledge to build WMD to destroy America.
If ever there were empirical proof of the cosmic Law of Karma (what
goes around comes around) it is the sellout of physicists 35 years
ago.
Fortunately there is more to life than playing academic jungle warfare
so those who were displaced actually were lucky. The unlucky ones were
the few who managed to hang on to a dying profession.
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Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy!"
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