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Bob
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 7:24 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:16:47 +0000, John <road@runner.com> wrote:
| Quote: | For now I am just making do with Nero Vision Express, but I am not
liking the amount of time it is taking to author.
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I think you will find that the reason is because Nero is doing the job
correctly. I use Ulead Movie Factory 4 and it has a setting for quick
renders. However, using that render screws up the audio sync in almost
every instance. So I have no choice but to do the Two Pass render and
that takes a very long time.
I may try Vision Express - can you tell me if it really does work in
terms of audio sync and preserving subtitles. MF4 is a POS toy.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw
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John
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:53 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:24:39 GMT, A strange species called
spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:16:47 +0000, John <road@runner.com> wrote:
For now I am just making do with Nero Vision Express, but I am not
liking the amount of time it is taking to author.
I think you will find that the reason is because Nero is doing the job
correctly. I use Ulead Movie Factory 4 and it has a setting for quick
renders. However, using that render screws up the audio sync in almost
every instance. So I have no choice but to do the Two Pass render and
that takes a very long time.
I may try Vision Express - can you tell me if it really does work in
terms of audio sync and preserving subtitles. MF4 is a POS toy.
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I can't tell you about preserving subtitles because I have not copied
a DVD to another one. I am just importing video where I add my own
titles/chapters etc. When you say subtitles do you mean writing on
screen? If so, I don't have a clue about this.
As far as Audio goes, I have not had any sync problems at all.
Nero does take blooming ages to burn a DVD. If I have 1 hour of video
to burn, it takes 1 hour and a bit more. Equal to or more than real
time!
John |
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John
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 2:54 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:13:51 GMT, A strange species called
"Incremental Jones" <no-no@na.net> wrote:
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"John" <road@runner.com> wrote in message
news:dc9dm197s1u0tel4jat5ietmpov0iut0gs@4ax.com...
Do Roxio have any authoring program worth looking at? What about Sony?
Any others?
Sony has the excellent DVD Architect but it's only avaible if you buy their
pro DV editor program Vegas.
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How much is that costing to buy? Expensive? And what are the encoding
and burning times like? Fast?
John |
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Ken Maltby
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 5:21 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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"John" <road@runner.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 13:24:39 GMT, A strange species called
spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:16:47 +0000, John <road@runner.com> wrote:
For now I am just making do with Nero Vision Express, but I am not
liking the amount of time it is taking to author.
I think you will find that the reason is because Nero is doing the job
correctly. I use Ulead Movie Factory 4 and it has a setting for quick
renders. However, using that render screws up the audio sync in almost
every instance. So I have no choice but to do the Two Pass render and
that takes a very long time.
I may try Vision Express - can you tell me if it really does work in
terms of audio sync and preserving subtitles. MF4 is a POS toy.
I can't tell you about preserving subtitles because I have not copied
a DVD to another one. I am just importing video where I add my own
titles/chapters etc. When you say subtitles do you mean writing on
screen? If so, I don't have a clue about this.
As far as Audio goes, I have not had any sync problems at all.
Nero does take blooming ages to burn a DVD. If I have 1 hour of video
to burn, it takes 1 hour and a bit more. Equal to or more than real
time!
John
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A Number of us won't use Nero's VideoExpress, because
it has a bad habit of reencoding into it's own codec, anything
it gets its hands on. This not only totally unnecessary, if you
have DVD compliant MPEG to start with, but can introduce
compatibility issues later.
As I mentioned before I prefer the speed and smooth
workflow of TDA, I also like that with a few easy tricks
you can produce just about any visual effect you want in
the menus. For more complex and unusual menu actions
as well as multiple audio tracks and subtitles, I like DVD
Lab Pro. I've found that 99.8% of the DVDs I have
made, and all those that weren't just experiments to see if
something could be done, were made with TDA.
Now, my primary sources are DVD compliant MPEG,
(my hardware MPEG capture card or a RW disk from
my DVD Recorder) so there is no further encoding
required at all. I also own and use MPEG Encoders to
create DVD Compliant MPEG from other sources, I feel
that a separate encoding step produces a better result
than that provided by the built-in encoding used by Nero
Video Express and other such all-in-one programs.
Despite "Bob"'s comments many find MF4 to be the next
easiest Authoring program to use, and quite effective. It
can be set to not further encode DVD compliant MPEG.
VideoReDo has a setting to provide for the slight difference
in the MPEG input requirements of the "Movie Factory"
programs.
Luck;
Ken |
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SBFan2000
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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Movie Factory does a great job as long as you capture compliant files. If
you have to render it sucks, but if you capture video into compliant files
there is no rendering.
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 23:16:47 +0000, John <road@runner.com> wrote:
For now I am just making do with Nero Vision Express, but I am not
liking the amount of time it is taking to author.
I think you will find that the reason is because Nero is doing the job
correctly. I use Ulead Movie Factory 4 and it has a setting for quick
renders. However, using that render screws up the audio sync in almost
every instance. So I have no choice but to do the Two Pass render and
that takes a very long time.
I may try Vision Express - can you tell me if it really does work in
terms of audio sync and preserving subtitles. MF4 is a POS toy.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw
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Bob
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:21 +0000, John <road@runner.com> wrote:
| Quote: | When you say subtitles do you mean writing on
screen?
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Yes. It is the written statement of the words spoken in the movie.
| Quote: | As far as Audio goes, I have not had any sync problems at all.
Nero does take blooming ages to burn a DVD. If I have 1 hour of video
to burn, it takes 1 hour and a bit more. Equal to or more than real
time!
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That is not bad at all. The Two Pass rendering in MF4 takes 1 hour for
a 10 minute clip. And then sometimes the audio is not in sync and
there are no subtitles because they were lost somewhere in the
process.
DVD Shrink has an authoring capability that is pretty nice and it does
not screw up the audio nor does it lose the subtitles. But it does not
have a menu capability - you have to access the individual clips using
Chapter search. That's not too bad if all you have is a few clips but
if you have a bunch you will have to write the names down to know
which one corresponds to a Chapter.
I understand that development of Shrink has stopped. That's really a
shame because it is one of the very few applications dealing with DVD
editing that is bug-free. Maybe the developer could be encouraged to
finish his masterpiece - it would not take much to add menus.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw |
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Bob
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:09 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:21:32 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | As I mentioned before I prefer the speed and smooth
workflow of TDA,
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I believe that TDA is an acronym for Pegasus TMPGEnc DVD Author. Is
that correct?
Could you give us more particulars about which version you use, what
other apps you need to use it, etc.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw |
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Bob
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:14 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:21:32 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
That's my real name.
| Quote: | comments many find MF4 to be the next
easiest Authoring program to use, and quite effective.
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I agree - that's why I use it - it's Q&D.
I am just disappointed in all the bugs - some quite fundamental and
some nuisance. I am used to professional video editing tools and MF4
is too much like a toy to me, and a not very good one either.
For the causal user who is used to bugs and doesn't mind audio sync
problems now and then, MF4 is probably the best available authoring
tool.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw |
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Bob
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:25 -0500, "SBFan2000"
<mocaveboyNOSP#M@glenngriffith.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Movie Factory does a great job as long as you capture compliant files. If
you have to render it sucks, but if you capture video into compliant files
there is no rendering.
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How can I tell if a mpeg file is "compliant"?
And what do you mean by "there is no rendering"? I have the option "Do
not convert compliant MPEG files" checked. Yet every clip I submit,
even those processed by VideoReDo, take a long time to convert to
exported files.
NB: I always create an exported file for each clip I author. That way
when it comes time to compose the entire DVD compilation, all the
rendering is done ahead of time in the exported files, so the final
pass is fast.
I have one particular clip that I have run thru VideoReDo which
allegedly makes it MPEG compliant. Yet it has serious audio sync
problems when rendered in MF4.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw |
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Ken Maltby
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:21:32 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
As I mentioned before I prefer the speed and smooth
workflow of TDA,
I believe that TDA is an acronym for Pegasus TMPGEnc DVD Author. Is
that correct?
Could you give us more particulars about which version you use, what
other apps you need to use it, etc.
--
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I am using the 1.6 version, I have not upgraded to the new
"Pro" version as it is still using a "phone home" verification
process, that I object to on principle.
VideoReDo is a good general purpose tool, for work with
MPEG. In addition to frame accurate cuts & joins, it can do
a number of useful adjustments to MPEG files.
A good graphic editor is useful to create/modify various still
images for use in TDA's menus (Backgrounds, Buttons,
Thumbnail Frames, ect...) I use the free Gimp2 but any layer
capable graphic editor would work.
In the same vain, a good video editor can be very useful in
creating/modifying MPEG video clips for motion menus, and/or
your own intro. comments. The video editor I use for this
purpose is not one I recommend to others, as it is somewhat
buggy (just not so much for the features I use) and tricky to
get working right. [It's Magix "Movie Edit Pro 10"] I hear
that the new Ulead editor is quite good.
In addition to those there are a number of the usual tools;
like DVDShrink, IfoEdit, BeSweet, the VLC media player,
VirtualDubMod & AviSynth, GSpot, ect... I have on hand
a number of other audio & video related programs that I
very seldom use or that I use for other video processing.
Luck;
Ken |
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Ken Maltby
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:22 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:25 -0500, "SBFan2000"
mocaveboyNOSP#M@glenngriffith.com> wrote:
Movie Factory does a great job as long as you capture compliant files. If
you have to render it sucks, but if you capture video into compliant files
there is no rendering.
How can I tell if a mpeg file is "compliant"?
And what do you mean by "there is no rendering"? I have the option "Do
not convert compliant MPEG files" checked. Yet every clip I submit,
even those processed by VideoReDo, take a long time to convert to
exported files.
NB: I always create an exported file for each clip I author. That way
when it comes time to compose the entire DVD compilation, all the
rendering is done ahead of time in the exported files, so the final
pass is fast.
I have one particular clip that I have run thru VideoReDo which
allegedly makes it MPEG compliant. Yet it has serious audio sync
problems when rendered in MF4.
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Within VideoReDo's options there is a setting under the
"General Parameters" to have it "Output Streams for Movie
Factory" , perhaps you should check that box.
A good general description of DVD compliant MPEG,
from the TDA help section:
MPEG-1
Input video file format* MPEG-1 system stream (.mpg)
MPEG-1 elementary stream (.m1v)
Input audio file format MPEG-1 Audio Layer2(.mp2)
Dolby Digital Audio AC-3 (.ac3)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Input video size NTSC 352x240 / PAL 352x288
Aspect ratio 4:3
Video bitrate Max. 1.8Mbps
Audio format* MP2 mono 32kbps-192kbps, stereo 64kbps-384kbps
Dolby Digital mono 64kbps-256kbps, stereo 128kbps-448kbps
Linear PCM mono 768kbps, stereo 1536kbps
MPEG-2
Input video file format* MPEG-2 program stream (Mpg,.m2p)
MPEG-2 elementary stream (.m2v)
Input audio file format MPEG-1 Audio Layer2(.mp2)
Dolby Digital Audio AC-3 (.ac3)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Input video size NTSC
352x240 / 352x480
704x480 / 720x480
PAL
352x288 / 352x576
704x576 / 720x576
Aspect ratio 4:3 / 16:9
Video bitrate Max. 9848kbps
Audio format* MP2 mono 32kbps-192kbps, stereo 64kbps-384kbps
Dolby Digital mono 64kbps-256kbps, stereo 128kbps-448kbps
Linear PCM mono 768kbps, stereo 1536kbps
Supported video stream specifications
MPEG-1 MPEG-2
Encoding method CBR CBR/VBR
Interlace O
Progressive O O
Playback 3:2 pulldown O
Inverse 3:2 pulldown O
Profile&Level MP&ML
Video format NTSC/PAL NTSC/PAL
GOP structure Max. 18 frames (NTSC)/ 15 frames (PAL) Max. 18 frames
(NTSC)/ 15 frames (PAL)
Sequence header interval One header per GOP (one sequence header in
front of all GOP) One header per GOP (one sequence header in front of all
GOP)
VBV buffer size 40KB 224KB
You can use parameters that exceed these sometimes and still
have it work with most players, but this is a useful starting point.
( Don't know if the formatting above will work, I was surprised
it made it here with the Ctrl-C & Ctrl-V process.)
Luck;
Ken |
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Ken Maltby
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:47 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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"Ken Maltby" <kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:436b5ecf.86543328@news-server.houston.rr.com...
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:14:25 -0500, "SBFan2000"
mocaveboyNOSP#M@glenngriffith.com> wrote:
Movie Factory does a great job as long as you capture compliant files.
If
you have to render it sucks, but if you capture video into compliant
files
there is no rendering.
How can I tell if a mpeg file is "compliant"?
And what do you mean by "there is no rendering"? I have the option "Do
not convert compliant MPEG files" checked. Yet every clip I submit,
even those processed by VideoReDo, take a long time to convert to
exported files.
NB: I always create an exported file for each clip I author. That way
when it comes time to compose the entire DVD compilation, all the
rendering is done ahead of time in the exported files, so the final
pass is fast.
I have one particular clip that I have run thru VideoReDo which
allegedly makes it MPEG compliant. Yet it has serious audio sync
problems when rendered in MF4.
Within VideoReDo's options there is a setting under the
"General Parameters" to have it "Output Streams for Movie
Factory" , perhaps you should check that box.
A good general description of DVD compliant MPEG,
from the TDA help section:
MPEG-1
Input video file format* MPEG-1 system stream (.mpg)
MPEG-1 elementary stream (.m1v)
Input audio file format MPEG-1 Audio Layer2(.mp2)
Dolby Digital Audio AC-3 (.ac3)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Input video size NTSC 352x240 / PAL 352x288
Aspect ratio 4:3
Video bitrate Max. 1.8Mbps
Audio format* MP2 mono 32kbps-192kbps, stereo 64kbps-384kbps
Dolby Digital mono 64kbps-256kbps, stereo 128kbps-448kbps
Linear PCM mono 768kbps, stereo 1536kbps
MPEG-2
Input video file format* MPEG-2 program stream (Mpg,.m2p)
MPEG-2 elementary stream (.m2v)
Input audio file format MPEG-1 Audio Layer2(.mp2)
Dolby Digital Audio AC-3 (.ac3)
Linear PCM (.wav)
Input video size NTSC
352x240 / 352x480
704x480 / 720x480
PAL
352x288 / 352x576
704x576 / 720x576
Aspect ratio 4:3 / 16:9
Video bitrate Max. 9848kbps
Audio format* MP2 mono 32kbps-192kbps, stereo 64kbps-384kbps
Dolby Digital mono 64kbps-256kbps, stereo 128kbps-448kbps
Linear PCM mono 768kbps, stereo 1536kbps
Supported video stream specifications
MPEG-1 Encoding method
CBR Interlace No Progressive
Yes
Playback 3:2 pulldown No
Inverse 3:2 pulldown No
Profile&Level Video format NTSC/PAL
GOP structure Max. 18 frames (NTSC)
/ 15 frames (PAL)
Sequence header interval One header per GOP (one
sequence header in front |
of all GOP)
| Quote: | VBV buffer size 40KB
MPEG-2
Encoding method CBR/VBR
Interlace Yes
Progressive Yes
Playback 3:2 pulldown Yes
Inverse 3:2 pulldown Yes
Profile&Level MP&ML
Video format NTSC/PAL
GOP structure Max. 18 frames (NTSC)
/ 15 frames (PAL)
Sequence header interval One header per GOP (one sequence
header in front of all |
GOP)
| Quote: | VBV buffer size 224KB
You can use parameters that exceed these sometimes and still
have it work with most players, but this is a useful starting point.
( Don't know if the formatting above will work, I was surprised
it made it here with the Ctrl-C & Ctrl-V process.)
Well it didn't. Tried again above. |
Luck;
Ken |
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Alpha
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:12 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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I do not agree at all. I have experienced not one bug nor one sync problem
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John
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 3:37 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 03:13:51 GMT, A strange species called
"Incremental Jones" <no-no@na.net> wrote:
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"John" <road@runner.com> wrote in message
news:dc9dm197s1u0tel4jat5ietmpov0iut0gs@4ax.com...
Do Roxio have any authoring program worth looking at? What about Sony?
Any others?
Sony has the excellent DVD Architect but it's only avaible if you buy their
pro DV editor program Vegas.
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How much is that costing to buy? Expensive? And what are the encoding
and burning times like? Fast?
John |
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Bob
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 4:29 am Post subject:
Re: DVD Authoring Program |
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:06:04 -0600, "Ken Maltby"
<kmaltby@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I am using the 1.6 version, I have not upgraded to the new
"Pro" version as it is still using a "phone home" verification
process, that I object to on principle.
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Block it with your firewall. That's what I do and it works fine.
I use Kerio Personal Firewall and it traps every instance of someone
trying to phone home (as long as there is not a rule permitting it).
| Quote: | VideoReDo is a good general purpose tool, for work with
MPEG. In addition to frame accurate cuts & joins, it can do
a number of useful adjustments to MPEG files.
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I wish that were true in every instance, but it is not. I have a clip
that VideoReDo cannot fix. The audio is out of sync in MF4 even after
running it thru Quickstream Fix.
--
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable
one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore
all progress depends on the unreasonable man."
-- George Bernard Shaw |
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