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Darkfire
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:11 am Post subject:
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Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s with basic
guides on how to set up up a sound system and run it.
I have a lot of crew wanting to learn and I don't have enough depth of
knowledge or time to train them properly. They have plenty of
opporunities to experiment and try things out without it affecting
audience shows but I'd like some good notes they could work from.
Cheers
Chris
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George Gleason
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:17 am Post subject:
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Darkfire <newsj5@SPAMBLOCKdarkfire.co.uk> wrote in
news:ren2m1l28q39as7lqisaucp1mlstr2mbrk@4ax.com:
| Quote: | Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s with basic
guides on how to set up up a sound system and run it.
I have a lot of crew wanting to learn and I don't have enough depth of
knowledge or time to train them properly. They have plenty of
opporunities to experiment and try things out without it affecting
audience shows but I'd like some good notes they could work from.
Cheers
Chris
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www.prosoundweb.com
btw how did you get put in charge of "a lot" of crewthat needs yet has no
live sound understanding
generally greenhorns are part of a experianced crew
the only completely untrained "crews" I have managed were not given ANY
responsibility for set up and running of the sound system
they were event provided voulenteers used for unloading the truck and
fetching lunch
George |
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George Gleason
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Part of our ethos is to develop people and help them learn new skills
and build on existing ones. I try to take people with some background
and interest if I can find them but it is not always easy although I
do have students who own their own rigs and have gigged them on a
semi-pro bar room level. All depends on the intake and how long they
stay.
It has been a steep learning curve for the new ones but they are
coping well and finally me and my senior guys and relax slightly but I
need to fill in some gaps and broaden their knowedge so they can
handle more.
Cheers
CHRIS
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I do not envy your situation
start them out according to thier interst level
establish a "standard protocal"
be sure they have a contact person for questions, even if by phone
perhaps do basic set-up on a rolling cart so the students just have to pull
out the speakers and mics and locate them
best of luck
george |
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Darkfire
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:17:27 GMT, George Gleason <Bmoas@yahoo.com>
organised some letters to create the following:
| Quote: | www.prosoundweb.com
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Cheers looks useful - found some good stuff on shure and soundcraft
sites as well.
BTW for some reason the rest of your reply seemed to end up as your
signature and my newsreader stripped it out when I replied?!
| Quote: | btw how did you get put in charge of "a lot" of crewthat
needs yet has no live sound understanding
generally greenhorns are part of a experianced crew
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I'm essentially a venue manager at a Studnets' Union - so all the crew
are students. Due to a number of reasons I lost a lot of my good and
experienced crew at the end of the last academic year (including a few
that were due to return).
I have some excellent ones who can quite happily run big shows if I
had the equipment - however in general for most bands I bring in a pro
company.
But I do run multiple DJs rigs, open mic nights, comedy, meetings,
caberet and so on with our own equipment so they need to understand it
I also want them to understand it so that when they work with the pro
co they can do as they are told without having to have it explained in
noddy language.
As much as possible I have standrd set-ups and fixed equipment but
that can't be done 100%
| Quote: | the only completely untrained "crews" I have managed were not given
ANY
responsibility for set up and running of the sound system
they were event provided voulenteers used for unloading the truck
and fetching lunch
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<GRIN>
Part of our ethos is to develop people and help them learn new skills
and build on existing ones. I try to take people with some background
and interest if I can find them but it is not always easy although I
do have students who own their own rigs and have gigged them on a
semi-pro bar room level. All depends on the intake and how long they
stay.
It has been a steep learning curve for the new ones but they are
coping well and finally me and my senior guys and relax slightly but I
need to fill in some gaps and broaden their knowedge so they can
handle more.
Cheers
CHRIS |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:05 pm Post subject:
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"Darkfire" <newsj5@SPAMBLOCKdarkfire.co.uk> wrote in
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| Quote: | Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s
with basic guides on how to set up up a sound system and
run it.
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Why limit yourself to web pages? The standard learner's book
about live sound is Yamaha's Sound Reinforcement Handbook.
There might even be a copy in your campus bookstore. |
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Tim Padrick
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Darkfire" <newsj5@SPAMBLOCKdarkfire.co.uk> wrote in
message news:ren2m1l28q39as7lqisaucp1mlstr2mbrk@4ax.com
Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s
with basic guides on how to set up up a sound system and
run it.
Why limit yourself to web pages? The standard learner's book
about live sound is Yamaha's Sound Reinforcement Handbook.
There might even be a copy in your campus bookstore.
http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/ |
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Arny Krueger
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject:
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"Tim Padrick" <Padrick@comcast.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
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"Darkfire" <newsj5@SPAMBLOCKdarkfire.co.uk> wrote in
message news:ren2m1l28q39as7lqisaucp1mlstr2mbrk@4ax.com
Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s
with basic guides on how to set up up a sound system and
run it.
Why limit yourself to web pages? The standard learner's
book about live sound is Yamaha's Sound Reinforcement
Handbook. There might even be a copy in your campus
bookstore.
http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/
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The first questionable part I found while quickly scanning
the document was the following:
http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/
"The real draw back to running your stereo PA system mono is
that you end up using only half of that expensive piece of
equipment you bought. That isn't that big of a deal with an
EQ or a crossover, but with a power amp, only using one
channel means you only use half of its power. Only using
half of a 500 watt amp results in only getting 250 watts of
power, and that just plain stinks. This problem can be fixed
by the use of "bridging", but it's a confusing and
complicated setup that can be hazardous to the health of
your equipment. If done right, it's great. If done wrong,
it's disaster. In all honesty, I'm not confident enough in
my own understanding of bridging to explain it properly, so
I've decided to (for the moment) leave it out of this
tutorial. However, I did find a complicated technical
description of it on the Peavey homepage. If you are
interested in bridging, try looking there, or you can try
searching the message board on this website. It contains
many threads of conversation where bridging is discussed."
The short answer is that you don't have to get involved with
bridging to run a sound system in mono. There are a number
of ways to run a sound system in mono. Which one is better
depends on your system and your preferences.
For example, some consoles (e.g. Mackie SR32) simply have
mono outputs. You can drive both inputs of a stereo amp with
one mono output using a simple jumper cable, for example. |
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David Meed
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:11:23 GMT, Darkfire
<newsj5@SPAMBLOCKdarkfire.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Could anyone point me in the direction of a webpage/s with basic
guides on how to set up up a sound system and run it.
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Not a web page, but there is a course and manual you can get at
www.churchsoundcheck.com called the church sound boot camp.
Essentially consists of 7 cassette tapes of a 2 day seminar and the
work book to go with it. Quite thorough for basic sound knowledge.
-----
David Meed <dmeed@nbnet.nb.ca>
http://www3.nbnet.nb.ca/dmeed (Sony LANC, DMX-512, Panasonic Control M)
http://www.nbbi.ca |
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Ron(UK)
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:43 pm Post subject:
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Gene Sweeny wrote:
| Quote: | Arny Krueger wrote:
You can drive both inputs of a stereo amp with
one mono output using a simple jumper cable, for example.
A jumper?
You'll either need a wye cable or just flip the mode switch to parallel
if it has one on the back of the amp.
The sentence Arny quoted doesn`t make sense. Is it a stereo amp with one |
mono output! I dont think so, and there would be no point in driving
both inputs if you only want one output. Or does it mean to jumper the
outputs together! Not recommended
Ron(UK)
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Lune Valley Audio
Public address system
Hire, Sales, Repairs
www.lunevalleyaudio.com |
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Gene Sweeny
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
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You can drive both inputs of a stereo amp with
one mono output using a simple jumper cable, for example.
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A jumper?
You'll either need a wye cable or just flip the mode switch to parallel
if it has one on the back of the amp. |
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Gene Sweeny
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:
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Ron(UK) wrote:
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The sentence Arny quoted doesn`t make sense. Is it a stereo amp with one
mono output! I dont think so, and there would be no point in driving
both inputs if you only want one output. Or does it mean to jumper the
outputs together! Not recommended
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I believe that he meant:
| Quote: | You can drive both inputs of a stereo amp with
one mono output [from a mixer] using a simple
jumper cable, for example.
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I added the part in brackets.
My contention was that jumpers are usually used to connect several amps
that are amplifying the same signal, not as Arny intended. A wye is
what is needed to drive both channels of the same amplifier (when in
stereo mode) with the same signal. Or, if the amp has a parallel
setting on the mode switch, once can set it to parallel, and it
internally wyes the input to both channels of the amp. |
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Arny Krueger
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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"Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Arny Krueger wrote:
You can drive both inputs of a stereo amp with
one mono output using a simple jumper cable, for example.
A jumper?
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Yeah, one in the shape of a Y. |
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Gene Sweeny
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject:
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Ron(UK) wrote:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
A jumper?
Yeah, one in the shape of a Y.
Or a Y splitter as they are known in the trade.
Ron ( manufacturer of quality Y and Z splits to the stars ;) )
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My point exactly Ron. Arny, you'll never get it. My favorite part is
how you never even thought to mention a parallel mode switch... 'cause
you haven't got a clue. |
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Arny Krueger
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject:
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"Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Ron(UK) wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
A jumper?
Yeah, one in the shape of a Y.
Or a Y splitter as they are known in the trade.
Ron ( manufacturer of quality Y and Z splits to the
stars ;) )
My point exactly Ron. Arny, you'll never get it.
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Not at all. Just another case of the usual nit and
nose-picking that goes on around here.
| Quote: | My favorite part is how you never even thought to mention
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parallel mode switch... 'cause you haven't got a clue.
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Obviously Gene you're so immersed in paranoia and hatred
that you actually thinkthat you know all about what I did
and did not think of.
In fact, I simply pointed out one example of an alternative
approach to the limited and questionable information in
http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/
I also said:
"The short answer is that you don't have to get involved
with
bridging to run a sound system in mono. There are a number
of ways to run a sound system in mono. Which one is better
depends on your system and your preferences."
No, what's going on here Gene is that someone cited a source
that seems to be a bit lacking. Instead of dealing with the
flawed message in the cited reference, you've decided to
attack the messenger.
I can only imagine what would good would happen if useful
amounts of energy were put into fixing up the source. |
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Ralph Staub
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:37 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130941317.770579.252030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com
Ron(UK) wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Gene Sweeny" <goo1ween@yahoo.com> wrote in message
A jumper?
Yeah, one in the shape of a Y.
Or a Y splitter as they are known in the trade.
Ron ( manufacturer of quality Y and Z splits to the
stars ;) )
My point exactly Ron. Arny, you'll never get it.
Not at all. Just another case of the usual nit and
nose-picking that goes on around here.
My favorite part is how you never even thought to mention
a
parallel mode switch... 'cause you haven't got a clue.
Obviously Gene you're so immersed in paranoia and hatred
that you actually thinkthat you know all about what I did
and did not think of.
In fact, I simply pointed out one example of an alternative
approach to the limited and questionable information in
http://members.cox.net/pasystem1/
I also said:
"The short answer is that you don't have to get involved
with
bridging to run a sound system in mono. There are a number
of ways to run a sound system in mono. Which one is better
depends on your system and your preferences."
No, what's going on here Gene is that someone cited a source
that seems to be a bit lacking. Instead of dealing with the
flawed message in the cited reference, you've decided to
attack the messenger.
I can only imagine what would good would happen if useful
amounts of energy were put into fixing up the source.
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