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Ian Iveson
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@yahoo.com> wrote
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manufacture high
end stuff for export, but they have never had aggressive
entrepreneurship, or at least I am not aware of any...
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Wine, beer, TV soaps, broadcast media.
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west
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"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night. Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job with a |
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people. I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick). He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
west
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Patrick Turner
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:
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west wrote:
| Quote: | "Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4363A7F1.87590DA@turneraudio.com.au...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night. Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job with a
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people. I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick). He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
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The Labout Party has a long history about which you should read before
making statements about communism fucking up Oz via labour movements.
The Communist Party of Oz was formed long ago just like communist parties formed
all around the globe in many other capitalist countries.
But they were a dismal failure here since most ppl had the brains to work out
that communism
doesn't work outside religious orders. The Christian Brothers
lived in their religious communes and everyone got along.
People in Oz could see that Stalin's fukkin Russia or Mao's fukkin China
were arsolic places to live in; one never knew when the knock on the door at
midnight
would happen, and you'd be whisked away to be shot.
We have never had a Pinochet type lording power over us and look at the blood
that arsole spilled. Don't fukkinh lecture me on the perils of communism when
the
right wing juntas and dictatorships can be equally murderous.
At present we have had nearly 10 years of ultra right wing government who is
about to
pass laws of a draconian nature to limit anyone dissenting with the
establishment.
These are the new anti terrorist laws, and when passed will put Oz at
about the same flavour of Germany in 1933.
Nobody gives the slightest sized rat's arse about communism in Oz at all now.
It didn't work, its past tense, been there, tried that and we have moved on.
But in the 50s and 60s there were many trade unionists who were members of the
communist
parties and thank goodness they were there to fight for the rights of the
workers of the day because the Liberal government of those times run by Robert
Menzies
needed some stern resistance lest workers be ground into the dirt by rampant
capitalism.
Under the new laws I might get arrested and held indefinately for saying just
what i have
iof the counts in power suspect I am a hindarnce to the system; they lable me as
a terrorist
suspect, then throw the book and key away.
The same right wing Liberal government plans to revolutionize the
industrial relations regulations to make it dead easy for the boss to sack you
and de6termine what you will be paid, and without any interference from labour
unions.
Bosses unions will be encouraged to keep existing, and keep grinding
the workers down to make export industries more profitable.
So we have a government which wants to advance the rich folks, and to hell with
everyone else.
Maybe its just what you'd like if you moved here.
Its unlikely you will suffer the same limitations you have in the USA though,
despite the direction we are heading in.
Oz is one of the longest lasting democracies in the world.
We didn't have to have a ghastly civil war to sort out differences of opinion
on slaves like you guys did, or have all those european wars that seemed to have
gone on since
man first set foot into europe.
We are not angels though, we poisoned and shot and diseased most of the
aborigines we came across
when we moved onto their land. The remnants are mainly cross bred and angry,
but harmless because they have little power.
But really you should read a whole lot more about Oz history if you are worried
about moving here.
You can always move back if you don't like it and under new laws we we will
certainly move you back
if we don't like you, and get you pay all the expenses involved.
Its not nice, but if you are a true blue capitalist, you should have have no
trouble
with the regime.
At least half of the ppl in Oz vote for the regime when it asks them to.
And if they think there may be resistance they spend 40 million bucks
on advertising to convince you they know best.
Ideas that need such advertising like the proposed industrial relations law
changes
are always suspect. Good new laws don't need advertizing.
Patrick Turner. |
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Andre Jute
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Nah, Westley, the Australian commies were a joke. But the forces of
darkness in industrial relations didn't need the commos. The pommie
wreckers were bad enough. A pommie wrecker was a British immigrant into
Australia who promptly set about organizing strikes. For a while they
had Australian commerce and industry on the run, just like in Britain,
and with equally deleterious effects. Then the backlash started and
Australian politics have been of the boring middle of the road kind
ever since. The only excitement in Australian politics is the
occasional scandal of corruption. (1)
Andre Jute
(1) British politics is so dull, they don't even have any corruption. A
blind cabinet minister was recently forced to resign because he gave
his girlfriend a government train ticket worth a few bucks...
Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review
west wrote:
| Quote: | "Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4363A7F1.87590DA@turneraudio.com.au...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night. Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job with a
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people. I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick). He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
west
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Andre Jute
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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Bret Ludwig wrote:
| Quote: | The Australians would have been in a good position to manufacture high
end stuff for export,
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Ugh! Where would they get the labour for manufactures, Ludwig? FIY,
Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world (Patrick is
either stupid or ignorant or politically motivated to describe the
people as poor); that wealth is to a large part still derived from
high-tech mining and high-tech agriculture. The rest comes from exports
of brainpower into the liquor, media and entertainments industries.
You're no doubt drinking an Australian beer and watching a movie made
in a studio owned by an Australian and directed by an Australian and
probably with Australian actors as well.
| Quote: | but they have never had aggressive
entrepreneurship, or at least I am not aware of any.
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You must have gone to night school to learn to be this ignorant,
Ludwig. Nobody is born as stupid as you. Try using Google before you
hurl your ignorance all over us. It is a search engine on the computer
right in front of you: www.google.com
| Quote: | I would certainly
have no objections to buying Australian stuff but as far as I know
there is none available here,
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There is another Australian export which probably accounts for mental
handicap. During the Vietnam War Sydney was big on R&R for American
troops. I wouldn't be surprised to discover your daddy picked up in
Australia the syphilis that accounts for your opinionated stupidity.
Andre Jute
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Patrick Turner
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject:
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Andre Jute wrote:
| Quote: | Nah, Westley, the Australian commies were a joke. But the forces of
darkness in industrial relations didn't need the commos. The pommie
wreckers were bad enough. A pommie wrecker was a British immigrant into
Australia who promptly set about organizing strikes. For a while they
had Australian commerce and industry on the run, just like in Britain,
and with equally deleterious effects. Then the backlash started and
Australian politics have been of the boring middle of the road kind
ever since. The only excitement in Australian politics is the
occasional scandal of corruption. (1)
|
Well that's one way of looking at things Andre.
But perhaps it depends on whether you spent time working at a factory,
and whether you were working on the production line amoungst the
noise, dirt, stink and doing repetitive crap and leading a working life
that would most likely have you never see retirement age of 65
when you'd then be deaf, and useless for anything,
or whether you were one of the bosses in the comfortable quiet offices.
There was at least as much bastadry on either side as i recall, but a read of
the history of the motor manufacturing may give you something more to think about.
I recall the 1960's tradesmen and blue collar workers resented the "new
australians"
coming to Oz to settle. They'd work hard for 1/2 the price of the existing
workforce.
They were earger, they wanted to work, and they were over here.
Half the class of 53 boys I joined in about 1954 were immigrants.
There were clever ones and dumb ones about evenly spread between the
old settled and the newcomers.
I went to a reunion of the same class about 10 years ago
and 20 were there, and those that were brightest at school were missing, and
a couple of the dumbest were doing real well.
So my point is that you cannot generalise about the people of a country;
you have to get along with whoever you meet.
Hardly anyone took communism seriously, but during my time as an apprentice
carpenter
I met a few commies, and they were rather a dumb lot; passionate, well meaning,
but communism is about what is mine is mine, and what is yours is also mine.
Only in religious orders did i see any real communism happening
as well as in many ordinary familes.
I rarely saw any poms cause any trouble in the building industry.
The industry is one riddled with corruption, bad behaviour by every organisation
involved.
When ppl join together in a brotherhood the first thing they try to do
is make life better for themselves, the bosses associations and the unions
have both proceeded thus.
And don't get me started about doctors, dentists and lawyers etc.
Patrick Turner.
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Andre Jute
(1) British politics is so dull, they don't even have any corruption. A
blind cabinet minister was recently forced to resign because he gave
his girlfriend a government train ticket worth a few bucks...
Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site" -- Hi-Fi News & Record Review
west wrote:
"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4363A7F1.87590DA@turneraudio.com.au...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night. Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job with a
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people. I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick). He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
west
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Patrick Turner
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 8:34 pm Post subject:
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Andre Jute wrote:
| Quote: | Bret Ludwig wrote:
The Australians would have been in a good position to manufacture high
end stuff for export,
Ugh! Where would they get the labour for manufactures, Ludwig? FIY,
Australia is one of the wealthiest countries in the world (Patrick is
either stupid or ignorant or politically motivated to describe the
people as poor); that wealth is to a large part still derived from
high-tech mining and high-tech agriculture. The rest comes from exports
of brainpower into the liquor, media and entertainments industries.
You're no doubt drinking an Australian beer and watching a movie made
in a studio owned by an Australian and directed by an Australian and
probably with Australian actors as well.
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Oz young ppl don't want to become factory fodder
or become plumbers up to their neck in ppls shitty pipework.
And better things beckon.
But manufacturing in Oz is a waste of time due to economies of scale.
Oz isn't as big as Kalleyfornya.
But we do have some real bright stars here, Halcro is but one.
If you don't do volume, then do quality.
But compared to the US perhaps we are poor; its not a universally
true statement, but how many hours does a worker do in the US do to buy a
KT88?
I bet its less than what the average worker does here.
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but they have never had aggressive
entrepreneurship, or at least I am not aware of any.
You must have gone to night school to learn to be this ignorant,
Ludwig. Nobody is born as stupid as you. Try using Google before you
hurl your ignorance all over us. It is a search engine on the computer
right in front of you: www.google.com
I would certainly
have no objections to buying Australian stuff but as far as I know
there is none available here,
There is another Australian export which probably accounts for mental
handicap. During the Vietnam War Sydney was big on R&R for American
troops. I wouldn't be surprised to discover your daddy picked up in
Australia the syphilis that accounts for your opinionated stupidity.
|
Well the pox was brought to the King's Cross girlies by the yanks
from the girls in Vietnam. The Viet pox was harder to cure than the
strains before the Nam war.
Wars spread disease around the world rather well.
But I am watching out for any dead birds falling from our beautiful
blue Oz skies, for then there may be a pox upon us that will make
all the rest look like a fleabite.
Patrick Turner.
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Andre Jute
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west
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"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
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west wrote:
"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4363A7F1.87590DA@turneraudio.com.au...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night.
Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of
using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than
most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely
fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV
in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job
with a
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people.
I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick).
He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
The Labout Party has a long history about which you should read before
making statements about communism fucking up Oz via labour movements.
The Communist Party of Oz was formed long ago just like communist parties
formed
all around the globe in many other capitalist countries.
But they were a dismal failure here since most ppl had the brains to work
out
that communism
doesn't work outside religious orders. The Christian Brothers
lived in their religious communes and everyone got along.
People in Oz could see that Stalin's fukkin Russia or Mao's fukkin China
were arsolic places to live in; one never knew when the knock on the door
at
midnight
would happen, and you'd be whisked away to be shot.
We have never had a Pinochet type lording power over us and look at the
blood
that arsole spilled. Don't fukkinh lecture me on the perils of communism
when
the
right wing juntas and dictatorships can be equally murderous.
At present we have had nearly 10 years of ultra right wing government who
is
about to
pass laws of a draconian nature to limit anyone dissenting with the
establishment.
These are the new anti terrorist laws, and when passed will put Oz at
about the same flavour of Germany in 1933.
Nobody gives the slightest sized rat's arse about communism in Oz at all
now.
It didn't work, its past tense, been there, tried that and we have moved
on.
But in the 50s and 60s there were many trade unionists who were members of
the
communist
parties and thank goodness they were there to fight for the rights of the
workers of the day because the Liberal government of those times run by
Robert
Menzies
needed some stern resistance lest workers be ground into the dirt by
rampant
capitalism.
Under the new laws I might get arrested and held indefinately for saying
just
what i have
iof the counts in power suspect I am a hindarnce to the system; they lable
me as
a terrorist
suspect, then throw the book and key away.
The same right wing Liberal government plans to revolutionize the
industrial relations regulations to make it dead easy for the boss to sack
you
and de6termine what you will be paid, and without any interference from
labour
unions.
Bosses unions will be encouraged to keep existing, and keep grinding
the workers down to make export industries more profitable.
So we have a government which wants to advance the rich folks, and to hell
with
everyone else.
Maybe its just what you'd like if you moved here.
Its unlikely you will suffer the same limitations you have in the USA
though,
despite the direction we are heading in.
Oz is one of the longest lasting democracies in the world.
We didn't have to have a ghastly civil war to sort out differences of
opinion
on slaves like you guys did, or have all those european wars that seemed
to have
gone on since
man first set foot into europe.
We are not angels though, we poisoned and shot and diseased most of the
aborigines we came across
when we moved onto their land. The remnants are mainly cross bred and
angry,
but harmless because they have little power.
But really you should read a whole lot more about Oz history if you are
worried
about moving here.
You can always move back if you don't like it and under new laws we we
will
certainly move you back
if we don't like you, and get you pay all the expenses involved.
Its not nice, but if you are a true blue capitalist, you should have have
no
trouble
with the regime.
At least half of the ppl in Oz vote for the regime when it asks them to.
And if they think there may be resistance they spend 40 million bucks
on advertising to convince you they know best.
Ideas that need such advertising like the proposed industrial relations
law
changes
are always suspect. Good new laws don't need advertizing.
Patrick Turner.
Patrick, |
I always try to make it a point not to add fuel to the fire. Ask any
reasonable Rodent if my post was a generalization to whomever or if I was
lecturing you, personally. Had I known that the juxtaposition of the words
Communism & Oz would strike a sensitive chord in you, I would never have
mentioned it. Perhaps I displayed ignorance, but I certainly didn't mean to
offend anyone. Sorry.
west
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Patrick Turner
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west wrote:
| Quote: | "Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4365E8D3.1A05F50F@turneraudio.com.au...
west wrote:
"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> wrote in message
news:4363A7F1.87590DA@turneraudio.com.au...
Bret Ludwig wrote:
Wile E. Coyote would be interested, but no one else.
BTW I was just thumbing through the huge RDH 4 last night.
Australia
must have been a really backward country in the '50s since so much
space is spent on reflex radios, which were a halfassed method of
using
fewer tubes popular in communist countries (England was more or less
communist after WWII for awhile: people like Scargill made Oswald
Mosley look pretty good) where tubes were artificially expensive.
The standard of living for most Oz ppl has always averaged lower than
most
other places,
not helped by the runious prices of american imports.
Oz is nearly as big as the USA in area, but sparsly populated,
so we demanded as much performance from our radios as we could muster
just to get a voice on the mantle piece to tell us about the cricket
score.
But in the cities where the rich folks lurked, some absolutely
fantabulous
AM radios were made in Oz for the well off ppl of Oz.
Despite our tiny population, we once made nearly everything we needed.
But globalization has made it totally impossible to make a radio or TV
in
Oz
competively.
The chinese work 12hrs a day for $2.........
Patrick Turner.
Oz is a great country to live in. Many years ago I was offered a job
with a
house and large parcel of land. They were desperate for skilled people.
I
have a very dear friend who lives about 1 hour away from you (Patrick).
He
wants my wife and I to move there. Correct me if I'm wrong ... after the
large influx of immigrants, didn't the start of Communist inspired labor
movements essentially changed the very heart & soul of Oz?
The Labout Party has a long history about which you should read before
making statements about communism fucking up Oz via labour movements.
The Communist Party of Oz was formed long ago just like communist parties
formed
all around the globe in many other capitalist countries.
But they were a dismal failure here since most ppl had the brains to work
out
that communism
doesn't work outside religious orders. The Christian Brothers
lived in their religious communes and everyone got along.
People in Oz could see that Stalin's fukkin Russia or Mao's fukkin China
were arsolic places to live in; one never knew when the knock on the door
at
midnight
would happen, and you'd be whisked away to be shot.
We have never had a Pinochet type lording power over us and look at the
blood
that arsole spilled. Don't fukkinh lecture me on the perils of communism
when
the
right wing juntas and dictatorships can be equally murderous.
At present we have had nearly 10 years of ultra right wing government who
is
about to
pass laws of a draconian nature to limit anyone dissenting with the
establishment.
These are the new anti terrorist laws, and when passed will put Oz at
about the same flavour of Germany in 1933.
Nobody gives the slightest sized rat's arse about communism in Oz at all
now.
It didn't work, its past tense, been there, tried that and we have moved
on.
But in the 50s and 60s there were many trade unionists who were members of
the
communist
parties and thank goodness they were there to fight for the rights of the
workers of the day because the Liberal government of those times run by
Robert
Menzies
needed some stern resistance lest workers be ground into the dirt by
rampant
capitalism.
Under the new laws I might get arrested and held indefinately for saying
just
what i have
iof the counts in power suspect I am a hindarnce to the system; they lable
me as
a terrorist
suspect, then throw the book and key away.
The same right wing Liberal government plans to revolutionize the
industrial relations regulations to make it dead easy for the boss to sack
you
and de6termine what you will be paid, and without any interference from
labour
unions.
Bosses unions will be encouraged to keep existing, and keep grinding
the workers down to make export industries more profitable.
So we have a government which wants to advance the rich folks, and to hell
with
everyone else.
Maybe its just what you'd like if you moved here.
Its unlikely you will suffer the same limitations you have in the USA
though,
despite the direction we are heading in.
Oz is one of the longest lasting democracies in the world.
We didn't have to have a ghastly civil war to sort out differences of
opinion
on slaves like you guys did, or have all those european wars that seemed
to have
gone on since
man first set foot into europe.
We are not angels though, we poisoned and shot and diseased most of the
aborigines we came across
when we moved onto their land. The remnants are mainly cross bred and
angry,
but harmless because they have little power.
But really you should read a whole lot more about Oz history if you are
worried
about moving here.
You can always move back if you don't like it and under new laws we we
will
certainly move you back
if we don't like you, and get you pay all the expenses involved.
Its not nice, but if you are a true blue capitalist, you should have have
no
trouble
with the regime.
At least half of the ppl in Oz vote for the regime when it asks them to.
And if they think there may be resistance they spend 40 million bucks
on advertising to convince you they know best.
Ideas that need such advertising like the proposed industrial relations
law
changes
are always suspect. Good new laws don't need advertizing.
Patrick Turner.
Patrick,
I always try to make it a point not to add fuel to the fire. Ask any
reasonable Rodent if my post was a generalization to whomever or if I was
lecturing you, personally. Had I known that the juxtaposition of the words
Communism & Oz would strike a sensitive chord in you, I would never have
mentioned it. Perhaps I displayed ignorance, but I certainly didn't mean to
offend anyone. Sorry.
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No need to feel sorry unless you set out to be malicious.
Ignorance is the most forgivable of all sins.
Communism *was* a problem, even in China now where the ruling
communist party bent, twisted, and aborted all its own rules before throwing the
book
out the window to embrace capitalism, at which all the chinese not in power need
no lessons.
They saw what happened to Honecker in East Germany, and the chinese bosses
must have said "phong la twi bui tung fo dipan dooii " which means "well that
ain't gonna happen to us."
But meanwhile 50,000 ppl employed by the regime in Bejing
are monitoring what is said and to who its is being said
on the chinese version of the internet.
Why don't we see chinese contributions to rec.audio.tubes?
It is not permitted.
Patrick Turner.
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