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Jon Yaeger
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject:
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in article 3s9f65Fn76uqU1@individual.net, Phil Allison at
philallison@tpg.com.au wrote on 10/26/05 9:38 AM:
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"Jon Yeager"
** = garage vermin.
........... Phil
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Can't you come up with something more original and clever than that, Phil?
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Fabio Berutti
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
Re: I look schematic Amplifier for GM70. |
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Back to the matter: do You think that providing a separate power supply for
the gain+driver tubes is a good idea when fiddling with these big toobs? A
1000V B+, with a surge of maybe 1400, requires lotsa caps in series to
withstand it, while the driver tube (suppose an EL84 loaded with a 15K, 25W
thick-film resistance) would ask for "just" about 500. Sourcing this
voltage ot of the 1000V rail would be a PITA: 500V times (say) 40mA is 20W
of pointlessly wasted power and heat. A separate PS is a PITA too, but of a
lesser caliber I think.
Ciao
Fabio
"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:435F5F53.5C198E4C@turneraudio.com.au...
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Mirko wrote:
I look for scheme of amplifier that uses the valve GM70. Can you address
me to a link? Thanks.
I will try to send you a schematic of an amp I designed for a colleague.
He said the audio club all liked the sound.
Patrick Turner.
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west
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Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:
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You're right, Phil. It's a good thing you don't read Italian!
west
"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3s902kFimgr8U1@individual.net...
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"ReginaldP"
Phil Allison wrote:
Così dicaci che ozzie di seccatura dell'animale ignaro perchè eravate
abbiate allontanato dall'università nel disonore.
** I have a sneaking suspicion about this post :-0
......... Phil
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Mirko
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 2:40 am Post subject:
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Il Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:49:14 +0200, Fabio Berutti ha scritto:
| Quote: | C'è persino un newsgroup che si chiama GM70. In sè è solo un grosso triodo
con un basso mu, quindi qualunque schema adatto ad una 845 può funzionare
anche per la GM70. Personalmente ritengo che per questi bestioni ci voglia
una valvola di potenza, come driver: diciamo una 6V6 o 6L6 connesse a triodo
(i triodi a risc.diretto sono tutti microfonici perchè il filamento vibra:
se amplifichi ulteriormente il loro segnale la cosa diventa insopportabile).
Personalmente apprezzo molto i vecchi schemi con accoppiamento a
trasformatore della GEC che puoi trovare su Internet o comprando il relativo
libriccino (molto bello) su Amazon o simili.
La GM70 in sè vuole circa 1000V e 110 mA, quindi l'unico vero problema è
trovare un trasformatore d'uscita abbastanza grosso. Lo zoccolo è quello
della 813, costa 30-40$ ma si trova.
Attento alle dita...
Ciao
Fabio
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Grazie Fabio per la risposta. Io ho già costruito un finale single-ended
con le 845 e pilotate in griglia dalla 211, ma il mio "problema" è
montare degli ottimi tubi finali. Attualmente monto le cinesi. Le
marche RCA ecct hanno prezzi improponibili. Per cui pensavo ad una GM70
russa, che suppongo qualitativamente (ma non l'ho mai ascoltata) superiore
ad una cinese. Aggiungo, si possono anche tirare fuori più watt.
Grazie ancora.
Ciao
Mirko |
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Patrick Turner
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
The GM70 amp design issue is making Phil Allison quite insan |
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Under an insulting heading i won't quote, yet again phil has spit his dummy
because i said I had a colleague in Sydney who tried my circuit
using the GM70 to great success, and when he demonstarted the amp to
the audiophile club located there.
I will not give Phil a break over such issues which have repeatedly
irritated him, which prove he is insane.
Am I supposed to not have any colleagues who also build amps?
Am I obliged to fully support my claim by involving the colleague in
discussions here?
Further more, my colleague only uses my designs for all his OPTs.
My colleague would be offended by Phil's remarks, and the last thing he'd want
would be to
become embroiled in a public shitfight of words with an insane count like Phil
Allison.
I will never cartow to the idiotic expectations of the foulest poster on the
net,
and one who is quite insane.
Anyone who wants my GM70 amp schematic is welcome to it,
and I can assure them it will sound fine, its been tried out.
It possibly could be improved by using a 6V6 in triode as the driver
instead of the 6SN7 with both halves paralleled.
Anyone know a good psychiatrist for Phil?
Of course its a hard ask because he'd probably
abuse the poor doctor, since he is determined to remain ill,
which is his problem.
Patrick Turner.
Phil Allison wrote:
| Quote: | Turneroid Autistic Puke
He said the audio club all liked the sound.
** = kiss of death.
......... Phil
Its obvious to everyone that Phil Allison is stark raving mad.
** Its is blindingly obvious to any sentient creature that Mr Patrick
Turner of 1 Adams Place, Watson Canberra is an autistic bloody freak
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alluding vicariously to an anonymous "colleague" allegedly making a remark
about some other anonymous ( fictitious ?) persons at some "audio club"
making some favourable remarks ........ et alia ad bloody nauseam.......
Gimme a FUCKING break !!!!!
Turneroid's self aggrandising, fucking ** SHITE ** is way more than this
koala can bear.
Peeeeeeeeuuuuuuuukkkkkkeeeee ..............
........ Phil |
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Phil Allison
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
PISS OFF Turneroid PUKE !!! |
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"Patrick Turner"
| Quote: | Am I supposed to not have any colleagues who also build amps?
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** Totally irrelevant CRAP.
Quoting anonymous opinions as endorsements is FUCKING CRAPOLOGY.
You might as well just MAKE UP quotes to suit you at any time.
No one can possibly tell if you have.
So - it always looks like you did.
I REPEAT:
Its is blindingly obvious to any sentient creature that Mr Patrick
Turner of 1 Adams Place, Watson Canberra is an autistic bloody freak
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alluding vicariously to an anonymous "colleague" allegedly making a remark
about some other anonymous ( fictitious ?) persons at some "audio club"
making some favourable remarks ........ et alia ad bloody nauseam.......
Gimme a FUCKING break !!!!!
Turneroid's self aggrandising, fucking ** SHITE ** is way more than this
koala can bear.
Peeeeeeeeuuuuuuuukkkkkkeeeee ..............
......... Phil |
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Patrick Turner
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: I look schematic Amplifier for GM70. |
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Fabio Berutti wrote:
| Quote: | Back to the matter: do You think that providing a separate power supply for
the gain+driver tubes is a good idea when fiddling with these big toobs? A
1000V B+, with a surge of maybe 1400, requires lotsa caps in series to
withstand it, while the driver tube (suppose an EL84 loaded with a 15K, 25W
thick-film resistance) would ask for "just" about 500. Sourcing this
voltage ot of the 1000V rail would be a PITA: 500V times (say) 40mA is 20W
of pointlessly wasted power and heat. A separate PS is a PITA too, but of a
lesser caliber I think.
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PPL building SET amps with 1000V for the main output tube
shouldn't be worried to RC filter down a 600V supply for a
paralleled 6SN7 or 6V6 (triode) driver.
Surges on the main B+ which might otherwise appear
at the driver tube and input tube B+ supplies can be limited with a string of
zeners on the
B+ for the input stage which will only need to be about 300V.
Even if a 6V6 is used, you only need 20mA in the tube,
so a drop of 20mA across 400V is only 8 watts.
Then there would be the 300V x 20mA in the load R so
you'd have another 6 watts.
Its no big deal to waste a litle power when we live in a world where one
lightbulb uses 40 watts,
and in many houses there are at least 5 turned on all night until we retire,
plus a PC
plus a TV etc, etc etc.
But the best practice is to have extra PT windings for the driver and input
supply.
Other than that it would be also good practice to turn on the B+
windings after the heaters have warmed and through resistors which limit current
surges
and then shunt the resistors.
There are various ways to provide voltage management during turn on.
Everyone likes to use their own version.
Patrick Turner.
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Ciao
Fabio
"Patrick Turner" <info@turneraudio.com.au> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:435F5F53.5C198E4C@turneraudio.com.au...
Mirko wrote:
I look for scheme of amplifier that uses the valve GM70. Can you address
me to a link? Thanks.
I will try to send you a schematic of an amp I designed for a colleague.
He said the audio club all liked the sound.
Patrick Turner.
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bassett
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
sensible alternative |
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"Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3sb0tpFn732rU1@individual.net...
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"Patrick Turner"
Am I supposed to not have any colleagues who also build amps?
** Totally irrelevant CRAP.
Quoting anonymous opinions as endorsements is FUCKING CRAPOLOGY.
You might as well just MAKE UP quotes to suit you at any time.
No one can possibly tell if you have.
So - it always looks like you did.
I REPEAT:
Its is blindingly obvious to any sentient creature that Mr Patrick
Turner of 1 Adams Place, Watson Canberra is an autistic bloody freak
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alluding vicariously to an anonymous "colleague" allegedly making a remark
about some other anonymous ( fictitious ?) persons at some "audio club"
making some favourable remarks ........ et alia ad bloody nauseam.......
Gimme a FUCKING break !!!!!
Turneroid's self aggrandising, fucking ** SHITE ** is way more than this
koala can bear.
Peeeeeeeeuuuuuuuukkkkkkeeeee ..............
........ Phil
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For a quite sensible alternative, without interruption, or stupid replies,
try posting here..
Anyone that wants to post on here and get a fair go can,,
http://www.wga.plt-hosting.com/register.php?do=signup
No disruption, no abuse, no threads that change subject, no threads that go
on and on. No blue pencil.
New sections can be arranged to suit YOUR requirements..
I see P Turner has started his registration, and not completed it,,
He must really enjoy posting here and getting a negative return, Total
waste of time really.
bassett |
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Adam Stouffer
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
Re: I look schematic Amplifier for GM70. |
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Mirko wrote:
| Quote: | I look for scheme of amplifier that uses the valve GM70. Can you address
me to a link? Thanks.
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Try joining the GM70 group on yahoo. They have a pretty good one using a
direct coupled 6C45.
Adam |
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Phil Allison
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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"bassett" <bassett@bassettskennel.com
** A "sensible alternative " ???
From some anonymous cretin who is living in hiding from his wife ?
.......... Phil |
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Patrick Turner
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:50 pm Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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bassett wrote:
| Quote: | "Phil Allison" <philallison@tpg.com.au> wrote in message
news:3sb0tpFn732rU1@individual.net...
"Patrick Turner"
Am I supposed to not have any colleagues who also build amps?
** Totally irrelevant CRAP.
Quoting anonymous opinions as endorsements is FUCKING CRAPOLOGY.
You might as well just MAKE UP quotes to suit you at any time.
No one can possibly tell if you have.
So - it always looks like you did.
I REPEAT:
Its is blindingly obvious to any sentient creature that Mr Patrick
Turner of 1 Adams Place, Watson Canberra is an autistic bloody freak
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alluding vicariously to an anonymous "colleague" allegedly making a remark
about some other anonymous ( fictitious ?) persons at some "audio club"
making some favourable remarks ........ et alia ad bloody nauseam.......
Gimme a FUCKING break !!!!!
Turneroid's self aggrandising, fucking ** SHITE ** is way more than this
koala can bear.
Peeeeeeeeuuuuuuuukkkkkkeeeee ..............
........ Phil
For a quite sensible alternative, without interruption, or stupid replies,
try posting here..
Anyone that wants to post on here and get a fair go can,,
http://www.wga.plt-hosting.com/register.php?do=signup
No disruption, no abuse, no threads that change subject, no threads that go
on and on. No blue pencil.
New sections can be arranged to suit YOUR requirements..
I see P Turner has started his registration, and not completed it,,
He must really enjoy posting here and getting a negative return, Total
waste of time really.
bassett
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The use of little forums like the one above is not rewarding to someone like me
who is a professional audio technician who teaches his craft far more than learn
from those
less skilled.
The use of the above forum is very awkward compared with the ease of using
rec.audio.tubes,
and the above forum couldn't even get my registration right.
It was a PITA to register.
As I said to you in private emails basset, get the forum to be laid out like the
forum is here
at r.a.t and as easy to use and i just might take some interest.
Get rid of all the banners and html BS.
Plain text is all I need.
But frankly, I know maybe 200 ppl read r.a.t. each day, and only 5 at the above
group,
and maybe they mostly are not into tubes or soldering anything so why try to
interest me in an
inferior product where ahrdly anyone would read what I may say?
I doubt I am very egotistical, but I do like the largest audience I can find.
I really don't give a shit about the insane ravings of a couple of looneys like
Phil Allision.
There is always going to be a signal to noise ratio anywhere you go.
In all the little private forums there is rarely any depth to anything
discussed.
When you fully address the issues I have pointed out I might take part but
meanwhile i am a busy man.
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Phil Allison
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:03 pm Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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"Patrick Turner"
| Quote: | The use of little forums like the one above is not rewarding to someone
like me
who is a professional audio technician who teaches his craft far more than
learn
from those less skilled.
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** The Turneroid Autistic Cretin is not now nor has ever been an "audio
technician".
The former bricklayer and contract builder is a self taught hobbyist - an
autodidact.
| Quote: | I really don't give a shit about the insane ravings of a couple of looneys
like
Phil Allision.
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** There is only one of me.
The Turneroid Paranoid lives trapped in an alien world of his own demented
imaginings.
The last stage of a life long Autism Syndrome baby.
......... Phil |
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Ian Iveson
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:20 am Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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The siren voice of bassett sang
| Quote: | ...No disruption, no abuse, no threads that change subject, no
threads that go on and on. No blue pencil.
New sections can be arranged to suit YOUR requirements..
I see P Turner has started his registration, and not completed
it...
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Make an effort.
Tell him about the thousands of dim, grovelling peasants gathered in
the cavernous Hall of The Tome, fervently awaiting the great prophet
to be seated on the jewelled throne from which, bathed in golden
light, he will lay his hands on the Holy Relic RDH first edition and
at last deliver The Explanation.
Oh, and the free koalaburgers and sheepdip beer. And the nubile
young sheilas frolicking in axle grease.
cheers, Ian |
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Phil Allison
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:43 am Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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"Ian Iveson
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Tell him about the thousands of dim, grovelling peasants gathered in the
cavernous Hall of The Tome, fervently awaiting the great prophet to be
seated on the jewelled throne from which, bathed in golden light, he will
lay his hands on the Holy Relic RDH first edition and at last deliver The
Explanation.
Oh, and the free koalaburgers and sheepdip beer. And the nubile young
sheilas frolicking in axle grease.
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** ROTFL
Summed the posturing wanker up just perfectly.
............. Phil |
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Patrick Turner
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:14 pm Post subject:
Re: sensible alternative |
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Ian Iveson wrote:
| Quote: | The siren voice of bassett sang
...No disruption, no abuse, no threads that change subject, no
threads that go on and on. No blue pencil.
New sections can be arranged to suit YOUR requirements..
I see P Turner has started his registration, and not completed
it...
Make an effort.
Tell him about the thousands of dim, grovelling peasants gathered in
the cavernous Hall of The Tome, fervently awaiting the great prophet
to be seated on the jewelled throne from which, bathed in golden
light, he will lay his hands on the Holy Relic RDH first edition and
at last deliver The Explanation.
Oh, and the free koalaburgers and sheepdip beer. And the nubile
young sheilas frolicking in axle grease.
cheers, Ian
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Ian, you are in possession of a brain that is acting insanely.
You are imploring ppl to think of you as a complete fuckwit.
Your dumbness is profound, your sarcasm definately the lowest form of
wit.
You have NO IDEA of the facts involved, and you spew BS
that should have every pom feeling embarrassed.
Patrick Turner |
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