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Pat
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
SPL bylaws |
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Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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Phil Allison
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Pat"
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Being completely tired of the trolls
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** Better avoid all mirrors.....
| Quote: | I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
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** Shame your post is not based on that thought.
| Quote: | I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
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** What is the measurement procedure ?
| Quote: | What's the regulation where you live?
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** That would kinda depend on where the PA was set up - ie how far from
residences etc.
And the time of day, other noise sources etc .....
BTW
Is yours an informal survey or just a really pathetic troll ?
........... Phil |
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TimPerry
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Pat" <not@bloody.likely> wrote in message
news:not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com...
| Quote: | Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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motorcycles must have a 100% stock exhaust system or its automatically
illegal.... even if the engine is off. |
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Phil Allison
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:15 pm Post subject:
FUK OFF ERRS TROLL !!!!! |
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Some Criminal Autistic Asshole from Nebraska
| Quote: | If you had a clue Mr. Allison,
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** If the Errs anencephalic had any decency - he would commit suicide now.
What a shame the scum bag doesn't.
........... Phil |
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Bob Cap
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:37 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Pat" <not@bloody.likely> wrote in message
news:not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com...
| Quote: | Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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Where I live they don't even know what a dB is. A mining area that the
ground rumbles all the time from blasting.
In other places in the State of Minnesota that I know of:
Any State venue, max limit is 106 dBA at the leading edge of the stage.
Tough for guitar players.
In Bloomington, MN we did a show and were informed the spl could be no
higher than 60 dB. After the lady from the environmental health board showed
up with the ordinance and a sound level meter. I discovered that the reg was
for 60 dB at the property line. Since the place we were doing the show was
located at the intersection of Interstate 35 and HWY 494 the sound level at
the property line was waaaaaay over 60 dB before the bands ever started. I
asked her if she would be able to quiet down the freeway....:)
Actually when she was getting ready to measure the first band the batteries
in her spl meter died so she just tucked her tail and went home.
Fun Fun Fun till her daddy takes her t bird away....
Bob Cap |
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Phil Allison
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:45 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Bob Cap"
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Where I live they don't even know what a dB is. A mining area that the
ground rumbles all the time from blasting.
In other places in the State of Minnesota that I know of:
Any State venue, max limit is 106 dBA at the leading edge of the stage.
Tough for guitar players.
In Bloomington, MN we did a show and were informed the spl could be no
higher than 60 dB. After the lady from the environmental health board
showed up with the ordinance and a sound level meter. I discovered that
the reg was for 60 dB at the property line. Since the place we were doing
the show was located at the intersection of Interstate 35 and HWY 494 the
sound level at the property line was waaaaaay over 60 dB before the bands
ever started. I asked her if she would be able to quiet down the
freeway....:)
Actually when she was getting ready to measure the first band the
batteries in her spl meter died so she just tucked her tail and went home.
Fun Fun Fun till her daddy takes her t bird away....
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** That is really funny.
ROTFL
............. Phil |
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Pat
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:55 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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In article <1130422296_67@spool6-east.superfeed.net>,
Bob Urz <sound@inetnebr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If you had a clue Mr. Allison, you would know this is a very real issue
in many venues. SO how would this NOT relate to live sound???
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I only ever see posts from the #1 troll when others respond.
Respectfully, why not ignore/killfile?
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There was just a recent article about the Hollywood bowl in one of the
trade mags about this.
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Yeah, in FOH, maybe? I read it, anyway, which is partly why I posted my
Q. |
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Tim Scott
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:15 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Pat" <not@bloody.likely> wrote in message
news:not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com...
| Quote: | Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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There are two types of guidelines and regulations...
those which relate to health and safety of those at the event - public and
workers
and those which relate to noise pollution of the resedential areas
surrounding the event/venue |
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Tim Scott
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Pat" <not@bloody.likely> wrote in message
news:not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com...
| Quote: | Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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For ship sound perspective ...
We don't really have any neighbours outside of the ship, so everything is
pretty internal.
There are cabins for passengers in areas surrounding the thetres/bars etc
and there is no spl guidlines on these - if there is a large proportion of
complaints then action may be taken - this would start with trying to
relocate the complainent to a quieter cabin, but if one in not available
then it will be considered to turn it down, although this is normally only
actioned when the amount of complaints justifies it.
For safety issues, I have a guideline of a dBA peak level measured at FOH.
Although the mix position has a part of the delay line infront of it, and
this speaker is set at a slightly higher level than the rest of rig, to
encourage who ever is mixing to not be too loud in the rest of the venue.
This guideline is only know by the people who need to know it, and for legal
reasons can't be discussed, and certainly not to be mentioned to anyone who
complains that we even measure dBs. So, as it has been mentioned which
ship.cruise line I work for a number of times on here, I cannot really
specify what that level is I am afriad. |
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Rv!
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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A snip from a Edinburgh (UK) newspaper
related to SPL and annoyance. The article is
full of shit, but it's what happens around here...
http://www.aqwd39.dsl.pipex.com/noise/full.jpg
Zoom it, or download it, to read the full text. |
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Jay Kadis
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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In article <not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com>,
Pat <not@bloody.likely> wrote:
| Quote: | Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
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Alameda County (California) has a new ordinance: if anyone complains it's to
loud by definition, no questions asked. The county sheriffs were apparently
having too much trouble working sound level meters. It applies to all noise,
including power tools and barking dogs. So much for rehearsing in the garage if
you have cranky neighbors.
-Jay
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Arny Krueger
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:02 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:jay-EB0399.08531827102005@news.stanford.edu
| Quote: | In article
not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com>,
Pat <not@bloody.likely> wrote:
Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd
start a thread about live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage,
where the SPL limit is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
Alameda County (California) has a new ordinance: if
anyone complains it's to loud by definition, no questions
asked. The county sheriffs were apparently having too
much trouble working sound level meters. It applies to
all noise, including power tools and barking dogs. So
much for rehearsing in the garage if you have cranky
neighbors.
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In practice that seems to be the law around here. If nobody
complains, its amazing all the laws you can break. If
anybody complains, you'll at best get a warning. For
example, about a year ago I got warned about cutting my
grass from 7:50 pm to 8:05. 8:00 pm is the witching hour, it
seems. The lawn mower was already put away for about 5
minutes when the boy in blue turned up. |
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Tim Scott
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:16 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:eo2dncT9OpkDZ_3enZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
| Quote: | "Jay Kadis" <jay@ccrma.stanford.edu> wrote in message
news:jay-EB0399.08531827102005@news.stanford.edu
In article
not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com>,
Pat <not@bloody.likely> wrote:
Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd
start a thread about live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage,
where the SPL limit is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
Alameda County (California) has a new ordinance: if
anyone complains it's to loud by definition, no questions
asked. The county sheriffs were apparently having too
much trouble working sound level meters. It applies to
all noise, including power tools and barking dogs. So
much for rehearsing in the garage if you have cranky
neighbors.
In practice that seems to be the law around here. If nobody complains, its
amazing all the laws you can break. If anybody complains, you'll at best
get a warning. For example, about a year ago I got warned about cutting
my grass from 7:50 pm to 8:05. 8:00 pm is the witching hour, it seems. The
lawn mower was already put away for about 5 minutes when the boy in blue
turned up.
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Speaking with an environmental health office i used to know in Oxfordshire,
he said it (noise) was illegal if it was "a nuisance", and went on to say
that it was upto the individual county councils to define what actually
constituted a nuisance, he defined it as being more a regular occurance,
rather than a one off party to start with. |
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Kurt Albershardt
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject:
Re: SPL bylaws |
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Rv! wrote:
31 dB limit? How are you supposed to gauge the noise level inside
someone else's residence? And they write warnings on stuff that's below
the limit anyway. |
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TimPerry
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
motercycle noise |
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"Robert McTigue" <robertmctigue@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:Zeqdna6Py5zCN_3eRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
| Quote: | TimPerry wrote:
"Pat" <not@bloody.likely> wrote in message
news:not-36AB9D.23595526102005@news.isp.giganews.com...
Being completely tired of the trolls, I thought I'd start a thread about
live sound.
I've been stage managing some shows, outdoor stage, where the SPL limit
is 100dB at 100 feet.
What's the regulation where you live?
motorcycles must have a 100% stock exhaust system or its automatically
illegal.... even if the engine is off.
Where would that be? DOT should be fine on any exhaust?
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i did a series of show this summer with bands and classic car "cruze ins".
the show was in a shopping center parking lot. it became quit popular as it
had been running weekly in the summertime for several years. some weeks we
has 200 to 300 cars. apparently a neighbor (with political clout) took
offence at the activities. as the parking lot is private property the
enforcement is limited but once on public roads it became "open season" on
the cars and bikes.
the local PD showed up weekly with 6 units and began handing out equipment
violation tickets en mass.
this city decided that it didn't need to mess with SPL meters. it just
passed an ordinance that any exhaust system that is not stock is illegal. |
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