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Ruben
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
Purchasing a Hafler power amp? |
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Hello everyone, this is my first post in this group.
The Hafler website says that their products are no longer being
manufactured.
As I understand, they still offer tech support and guarantee.
I learned this just when I had made up my mind for a TA1600 power amp.
Should I go ahead with the Hafler, or not? I need this amp to power a
pair of Alesis Monitor One Mk2. Any suggestions very much appreciated.
Thanks,
Ruben
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Mike Rivers
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 1:25 am Post subject:
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Ruben wrote:
| Quote: | I guess three coincident opinions is not a coincidence... nor a
conspiracy right?
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After conferring with my esteemed colleagues here, I think you should
get an Alesis amplifier. Then, when you return it and buy a Hafler,
you'll understand why some power amplifiers are better than others. |
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Ruben
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Ok, I did it. I'll post my experience with the Hafler later, maybe in
a couple of weeks. Thanks again for so much brainwashing!
Ruben |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:08 pm Post subject:
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
news:djtcks$jc5$1@panix2.panix.com
| Quote: | In article <Fe6dnTDeRoQrr__eRVn-sA@comcast.com>,
Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
"Ruben" <Ruben.Alfu@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130383621.232669.282700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this group.
The Hafler website says that their products are no
longer being manufactured.
As I understand, they still offer tech support and
guarantee.
I learned this just when I had made up my mind for a
TA1600 power amp.
Should I go ahead with the Hafler, or not? I need this
amp to power a pair of Alesis Monitor One Mk2. Any
suggestions very much appreciated.
It seems like a likely candidate for this application
that is in new production would be the new Behringer
A500 amp - no fans, lotsa power, low cost. Anybody have
any experience with this one?
I don't. But the LAST thing you need to drive those
speakers is a lot of power. An Adcom GFA-535 will handle
them just nicely. --scott
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Agreed that one can't go wrong with the Adcom or the Hafler.
They are classics of the good kind.
Not to be argumentative, but what about those Alesis Monitor
One Mk2 speakers?
They are rated at 88 dB/W and up to 200 watts EIA peak.
I read that as less efficient than average and sorta robust.
A 180 wpc amp seems like something that in the ball park.
I brought up the Berhinger because of the price and
availablity situation which is pretty attractive - not that
far from eBay pricing for the GFA 535 (just looked at closed
auctions). |
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hank alrich
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:19 am Post subject:
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William Sommerwerck <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Who cares if it's manufactured currently, if it sounds good?
If it's not reliable, he'll care -- eventually.
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Halfers have paroven themselves reliable.
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ha |
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hank alrich
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 12:34 am Post subject:
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Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <Fe6dnTDeRoQrr__eRVn-sA@comcast.com>,
Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
"Ruben" <Ruben.Alfu@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1130383621.232669.282700@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this group.
The Hafler website says that their products are no longer
being manufactured.
As I understand, they still offer tech support and
guarantee.
I learned this just when I had made up my mind for a
TA1600 power amp.
Should I go ahead with the Hafler, or not? I need this
amp to power a pair of Alesis Monitor One Mk2. Any
suggestions very much appreciated.
It seems like a likely candidate for this application that
is in new production would be the new Behringer A500 amp -
no fans, lotsa power, low cost. Anybody have any experience
with this one?
I don't. But the LAST thing you need to drive those speakers is a lot
of power. An Adcom GFA-535 will handle them just nicely.
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From the website; note how the power is stated:
-----Begin Quote-----
REFERENCE AMPLIFIER A500
Professional 500-Watt Reference-Class Studio Power Amplifier
This ultra-linear power amplifier is the top choice for recording
studios and post-production work, yet its amazing price is just the
beginning. You get true audiophile-grade performance that delivers 2 x
230 Watts into 4 Ohms or 500 Watts into 8 Ohms bridged, with enough
overhead to always keep you on the safe side. The A500's advanced
convection-type cooling system guarantees stable, noise-free operation,
while its servo-controlled design can drive virtually all passive
speakers. A precise level meter and clip indicators are provided for
accurate performance monitoring. Input connections are laid out on
balanced XLR, 1/4' TRS and RCA connectors, making sure you never run out
of connectivity options. Plus, the speaker outputs give you a choice
between professional 'touch-proof' binding posts and 1/4' TS connectors.
To assure years of trouble-free operation, we only use the
ultra-reliable Toshiba® or Fairchild® high-power transistors that are
known for their rock-solid reputation. In addition to all these
features, an independent thermal overload protection system with LED
indicators for each channel automatically protects both your amplifier
and your speakers. Last but not least, we have relied on a tough
high-current toroidal transformer for absolute reliability and lowest
noise interference possible.
You deserve the very best in studio power amplification. Get the A500
and it will be love at first sight: it's reference-class audio,
ultra-reliable quality and super-affordable!
-----Begin Quote-----
Has a one-year warranty versus five years for the Hafler.
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ha |
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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I use a Hafler amp I built as a kit over 24 years ago and it still
sounds Great!! ; even though it was the first soldering I ever did!
I'd say, get one before it's too late.
dale |
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Arny Krueger
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:
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"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:6aqdnaYJCY1hivvenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com
| Quote: | Bear in mind that the current line of Hafler amps were
not designed by David Hafler.
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Going back in history, neither were a lot of the Dynacos.
| Quote: | Nor are today's integrated circuits designed by Jack
Kilby, but I use them anyway.
I don't see your point. David Hafler's amplifiers have
been generally well-respected.
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A some point in the now-distant past, the exact genesis of
amps from companies that Hafler headed became indistinct.
In the early 21st century, things have progressed well
beyond the point where only certain well-known personalities
design good power amps.
IMO we should judge equipment first and foremost by its
performance, in the here and now. |
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Scott Dorsey
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in
message news:6aqdnaYJCY1hivvenZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d@comcast.com
Bear in mind that the current line of Hafler amps were
not designed by David Hafler.
Going back in history, neither were a lot of the Dynacos.
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In the case of the Dynacos, there is a clear distinction between the good
ones that Hafler designed, and the others, some of which were very bad.
In the case of the new Hafler line, this is much less of an issue, mostly
because amplifier design is a lot more standard and a lot less seat of the
pants than it was thirty years ago.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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Paul Stamler
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:45 am Post subject:
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"William Sommerwerck" <gizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:WtadnZ_8S6GNlvvenZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...
| Quote: | I use a Hafler amp I built as a kit over 24 years ago and it still
sounds Great!! ; even though it was the first soldering I ever did!
I'd say, get one before it's too late.
Bear in mind that the current line of Hafler amps were not designed by
David
Hafler.
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Neither were the old ones, although he supervised them. At least some of the
work was done by Erno Borbely.
Peace,
Paul |
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Paul Stamler
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 12:47 am Post subject:
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"Scott Dorsey" <kludge@panix.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In the case of the Dynacos, there is a clear distinction between the good
ones that Hafler designed, and the others, some of which were very bad.
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Which were the non-Haflers?
| Quote: | In the case of the new Hafler line, this is much less of an issue, mostly
because amplifier design is a lot more standard and a lot less seat of the
pants than it was thirty years ago.
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Unless you're Hafler; their schematic shows a rather un-standard design, not
at all the usual cookie-cutter circuit. Perhaps that's why they're so good;
some genuinely creative engineering went into them.
Peace,
Paul |
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William Sommerwerck
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
Re: Purchasing a Hafler power amp? |
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| Quote: | I don't see your point. David Hafler's amplifiers have
been generally well-respected.
A some point in the now-distant past, the exact genesis of
amps from companies that Hafler headed became indistinct.
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Well, the earliest non-Hafler Dynacos came from Acoustech designer
what's-his-name. And guess what -- it was his amplification that I gradually
decided had a "sway-backed" tonal balance.
I don't know what the topology of the current amps is. But not that many
years ago, it was the same (or very similar to)the Acoustat's. |
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