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Tiernan
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "James Perrett" <James.Perrett@noc.soton.ac.uk> wrote in
message news:opsza2rzkddjgvgv@news.nerc.ac.uk
On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 20:57:16 -0700, Tiernan
s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote:
BUT v2.0 hits the street soon and unless there's a free
upgrade, better to wait.
I've seen you repeatedly say this in this thread but as
far as I know, there has been no word from Adobe on this
(and I've been following both the official and unofficial
Audition forums).
That goes without saying!
Have you an inside link to Adobe?
Did you notice from his other post that Tiernan used to be a
product manager for a competitor?
Yes I did. |
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T Maki
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:59 am Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
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Audition primarily uses envelopes and macros for its
automation.
One reason that envelopes are more powerful than recording
control (fader) changes in real time because you can edit
envelopes in any time scale that you can view the track.
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N-Track works with envelopes, as well, and will
play back the envelope with an automated fader
display.
| Quote: | N-Track allows recording of fader, eq, etc. moves
in real time, and subsequent display of said moves
(moving faders, etc.) on the mixer display.
Audition does that? Neat...
Not that I know of. I
However, I question storing fader moves is *really*
automation, since you had to do it manually in real time, at
least once.
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N-Track works with both real-time and envelopes.
TM |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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"Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m25fhgcg5nr75@corp.supernews.com
| Quote: | I argued long and hard about the need for this. I was
prod manager for a dedicated system in competition with
CEP. I have never seen anything beyond the gee wiz factor
in faders moving by themselves.
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To me, nonlinear editing is a whole different paradigm than
real time editing. I do both, may the twain never meet.
| Quote: | The links between Aud and control surfaces up to v1.5
have not made this very realistic given the performance
of the two pieces together (SW and control surface).
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Money spent on hardware support for the Audition UI would
IMO be better spent on screen space.
| Quote: | I'm told Audition 2.0 will scrub and its a "real" scrub.
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<imagine wetted finger pointed in air and being moved in a
circle>
| Quote: | Will let you know, if they've got that in there, well
worth the money. Not many do that for less than 300 bux. |
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Tiernan
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m32obfjp7ko60@corp.supernews.com
Arny Krueger wrote:
"Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m25fhgcg5nr75@corp.supernews.com
I'm told Audition 2.0 will scrub and its a "real" scrub.
imagine wetted finger pointed in air and being moved in
a circle
This feature alone, may keep their largest customer
spending money on the product.
The radio station chain?
uhhhhhhyup |
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Les Cargill
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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Paul Stamler wrote:
| Quote: | "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@hotpop.com> wrote in message news:haudnYAB8-SW_v3eRVn-
Also, can you use an FX loop with it, like rack mount
processor, is there a
way to implement it in the mix?
There is support for loops, if that is what you mean.
No, I think he's talking about plug-ins. You can use Direct-X; v. 1.0 won't
do VST.
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There exist(s) a-dapters whut enables DirectX/ActiveX hosts to
be able to use VST.
I don't know if 1.5 will (I'm still on Win 98SE, so can't use
| Quote: | AA1.5). N-track studio will do either, another nice feature of this
high-value program.
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It is, innit?
Les Cargill |
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Arny Krueger
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
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"Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m32obfjp7ko60@corp.supernews.com
| Quote: | Arny Krueger wrote:
"Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m25fhgcg5nr75@corp.supernews.com
I'm told Audition 2.0 will scrub and its a "real" scrub.
imagine wetted finger pointed in air and being moved in
a circle
This feature alone, may keep their largest customer
spending money on the product.
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The radio station chain? |
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Tiernan
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:43 am Post subject:
Re: Adobe Audition - any users? |
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Arny Krueger wrote:
| Quote: | "Tiernan" <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11m25fhgcg5nr75@corp.supernews.com
I argued long and hard about the need for this. I was
prod manager for a dedicated system in competition with
CEP. I have never seen anything beyond the gee wiz factor
in faders moving by themselves.
To me, nonlinear editing is a whole different paradigm than
real time editing. I do both, may the twain never meet.
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Agreed.
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The links between Aud and control surfaces up to v1.5
have not made this very realistic given the performance
of the two pieces together (SW and control surface).
Money spent on hardware support for the Audition UI would
IMO be better spent on screen space.
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Not arguing just reporting the facts as I hear em.
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I'm told Audition 2.0 will scrub and its a "real" scrub.
imagine wetted finger pointed in air and being moved in a
circle
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This feature alone, may keep their largest customer spending money on
the product.
Well one of your more frequent correspondents/colleagues spent many
hours perfecting this for those of us who edit audio by sound(ear?). And
it is a wonderful thing for those of us and Jay in Boston among
others. Wonder why Digi spent all that money on a scrub wheel?
Imagine divergent opinions on a ng (if you will). Worth the price for each.
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Will let you know, if they've got that in there, well
worth the money. Not many do that for less than 300 bux.
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Tiernan
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Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:
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James Perrett wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:13 -0700, Tiernan <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm told Audition 2.0 will scrub and its a "real" scrub. Will let you
know, if they've got that in there, well worth the money. Not many do
that for less than 300 bux.
Dean
I know some systems used to scrub by continually repeating a short
section of audio around the cursor point. It never really made much
sense to me. I've also heard that Syntrillium tried to add scrubbing to
earlier versions of Cool Edit but found it difficult to implement the
variable sample rate needed to do it properly. I guess that with the
increase in computing power a real time fully variable sample rate
convertor is now a realistic proposition.
Cheers
James.
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Not what I mean....think analog....r2r....rock he reels back and forth,
before reaching for the marker, then blade. I know this is a foreign and
for sum useless concept, but what made me understand dig edits in the
first place and the reason I am here to bug you.
www.deantiernan.com |
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James Perrett
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject:
Re: Adobe Audition - any users? |
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On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:41:08 -0700, Tiernan <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | James Perrett wrote:
On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:02:13 -0700, Tiernan <s_emerson@yahoo.com> wrote:
I know some systems used to scrub by continually repeating a short
section of audio around the cursor point. It never really made much
sense to me. I've also heard that Syntrillium tried to add scrubbing
to earlier versions of Cool Edit but found it difficult to implement
the variable sample rate needed to do it properly. I guess that with
the increase in computing power a real time fully variable sample rate
convertor is now a realistic proposition.
Cheers
James.
Not what I mean....think analog....r2r....rock he reels back and forth,
before reaching for the marker, then blade. I know this is a foreign and
for sum useless concept, but what made me understand dig edits in the
first place and the reason I am here to bug you.
www.deantiernan.com
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I think we're probably talking about the same thing. Real time scrubbing
involves moving backwards and forwards at slower than real time (or at
least that's the way I used to do it with tape). If you don't want to be
restricted to scrubbing at one or two selected speeds then you need to be
able to vary the speed in real time. This involves converting a variable
sample rate into a constant sample rate to match your sound cards output
rate. If you want to do the sample rate conversion properly (and
Audition's processing is usually done properly) then that takes a fair bit
of computing horsepower.
Other systems that I've used with real time scrubbing tend not to use
particularly good sample rate conversion so you notice the sound becoming
more grainy as you slow the audio down.
Cheers
James. |
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