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Richard C.
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tabernacle2002@hotmail.com wrote:
You know the funny part in this whole thing is that the prices of dvd
titles have fallen so much so fast (and I am talking about new and used
quality titles and not El Cheapo Crapo titles) and that good quality
dvd recorders have dropped so much it is now literally not worth it
99.8% of the time to steal it!
Still, why pay $10-$15 when you can just leave the computer on
overnight with Bittorrent and wake up with a brand new movie in your
hard disk.
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How about that simple thing you do not have: ethics.
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Bob
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:31:34 +0000, guv <guv69@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | If everytime an entrepreneur got his ass burned people started
whining, nothing productive would ever get done.
I suppose I shouldnt be suprised that you dont understand the concept
of intellectual theft, given you appear to have had your own intellect
stolen.
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Ad hom noted.
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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guv
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:57:51 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:31:34 +0000, guv <guv69@msn.com> wrote:
If everytime an entrepreneur got his ass burned people started
whining, nothing productive would ever get done.
I suppose I shouldnt be suprised that you dont understand the concept
of intellectual theft, given you appear to have had your own intellect
stolen.
Ad hom noted.
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Stupidity noted.
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Bob
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:45:06 -0500, "SBFan2000"
<weareborgNOSP#M@wcnet.org> wrote:
| Quote: | One, if in fact you don't copyright infringe then I apoligize for implying
you did. Based on your posts, what conclusion was I suppose to come to?
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You are supposed to know I am a Jesuitical Heathen.
| Quote: | If fact, I don't really care who does or doesn't infringe on copyrights as
long as its not mine :-), its not my business. What is annoying is when
people that do infringe make up these magicical reasons why its not
stealing.
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That's because it is not stealing. It is infringement. When someone
copies a copyrighted piece, the owner of the copyright has lost
nothing - nothing has been taken. You might argue that he has lost the
opportunity to make money from the sale of his item, but that assumes
that the pirate would buy it if he was unable to pirate it.
People who are capable of buying something usually do not pirate it.
Pirates are those who are not capable of buying the item, so it is
extremely unlikely that they won't buy it if it is otherwise
unavailable.
Now here's the real irony of this whole stupid thing. A large software
company named Borland produced a copyrighted Pascal Compiler called
Turbo Pascal. But they did not enforce the copyright, and actually
made it available to college student free of charge. Others were
required to pay for it.
Borland was able to sell *more* copies of Turbo Pascal by that genius
marketing strategy for the same reason IBM was able to sell more
computers by giving the major universities new computers free.
It was noted that during the heyday of Napster sales of music actually
increased, and when Napster was shut down, sales fell off noticably.
Here's the reason why all of the above is possible. By having more
copies of something in the market more people buy it than would
otherwise. If you never heard an album and I pirate it and play it for
you, and you want the official album for yourself - and you can afford
to buy it - then you likely will buy it. I have acted as a free
advertisement by playing the pirated copy and enticed my friend to buy
it.
The idiot lawyers, in their consumate greed, actually screwed up sales
by tampering with the natural behavior of markets.
--
"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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Bob
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:07 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:47:15 -0800, "Richard C."
<post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | the courts (in the US) have decided differently.
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Show us one court ruling that uses the word "steal" or "theft".
The use of those terms are made up by idiots.
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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Bob
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:43:22 -0800, "Richard C."
<post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | They are not stealing. They are circumventing copyright laws.
No matter how you have managed to warp your ethics, it is still STEALING!
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What quid pro quo has been taken? Did the pirate take an object that
you possessed, like a CD?
Your copyright protects intellectual property which is an intangible.
No one can steal an intangible.
| Quote: | Do you work for free? I hope so, since you feel that others should.
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I do not work for free. But I don't whine if someone does not pay me
just because they found another way to do the same job I do.
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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Bob
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:13 am Post subject:
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:44:36 -0800, "Richard C."
<post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Your kind of thinking is extremely dangerous.
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My thinking is not dangerous - it is libertarian. It is your thinking
that is extremely dangerous because you are trying to punish someone
for not taking anything tangible.
| Quote: | I bet you think that if you rape someone, you have not taken anything from
them since they still have "it".
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No I would not do that. And I certainly would not claim that the
rapist "stole" anything either.
--
"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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Bob
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:48:12 -0800, "Richard C."
<post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | AND in the US courts.
It is a crime punishable by fine and/or prison.
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That is because the pirate infringed on the copyright laws, not
because he stole anything.
The real pirates are those who make copies for resale, not the
individual who listens or watches copyrighted material without paying
full price for it.
Did you know why the film industry encrypted DVDs? It certainly was
not to stop piracy - the encryption is far too weak for that. It was
because the act of decryption is illegal. If a pirate makes a copy of
a DVD then he had to decrypt the original DVD and that is what is
illegal. Making backups of DVDs if you have paid for them is not
illegal per se - decryption to make the backups is illegal.
This brings to mind the words of Ayn Rand.
"Did you really think we want those laws observed? We want them to be
broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy
scouts you're up against. We're after power and we mean it."
"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government
has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't
enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a
crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking
laws."
"Who wants a nation of law abiding citizens? What's there in that for
anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed
nor enforced or objectively interpreted and you create a nation of
law-breakers and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system,
that's the game and once you understand it you'll be much easier to
deal with."
--Ayn Rand, "Atlas Shrugged"
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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Bob
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On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:48:49 -0800, "Richard C."
<post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
| Quote: | How about that simple thing you do not have: ethics.
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Ad hom noted.
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"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
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SBFan2000
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 4:40 am Post subject:
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Ok, everyone time to give up on Bob. He
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:44:36 -0800, "Richard C."
post-age@spamcop.net> wrote:
Your kind of thinking is extremely dangerous.
My thinking is not dangerous - it is libertarian. It is your thinking
that is extremely dangerous because you are trying to punish someone
for not taking anything tangible.
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Ok, everyone time to give up on Bob. He has shown that he is to dense to
understand reason. I provided proof directly from the copyright law that
you can own intangible "objects" just as much as tangible ones and he
refuses to accept it.
He claims to be libertarian but the first line on their "What we Believe"
homepage is "Libertarians believe that you have the right to live your life
as you wish, without the government interfering -- as long as you don't
violate the rights of others." AS LONG AS YOU DON"T VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF
OTHERS. CopyRIGHTS give rights to the owner of the work but Bob has no
problem with people breaking that persons rights. These a word for this,
Hippocrisy!
It is pointless to continue to waste our time replying to a person who
refuses to admit things that are in writing on the governments copyright
laws, and on the homepage of the very religion on which he claims to believe
in.
Bob's going to be added to the troll list with the others that are a waste
of my time.
| Quote: | I bet you think that if you rape someone, you have not taken anything
from
them since they still have "it".
No I would not do that. And I certainly would not claim that the
rapist "stole" anything either.
--
"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
--Albert Einstein
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WinField
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Sun Nov 06, 2005 5:40 am Post subject:
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I'm not giving up on Bob!
SBFan2000 wrote:
| Quote: | Ok, everyone time to give up on Bob. He has shown that he is to dense to
understand reason. I provided proof directly from the copyright law that
you can own intangible "objects" just as much as tangible ones and he
refuses to accept it.
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Copyright Law has turned into a Frankenstein Monster! In America today,
I can be deemed a "felon", hit with 5 years in JAIL, and fined $125,000
just for watching my own T.V. in the privacy of my own home!
If you support that kind of INSANITY in the name of intangible
"objects"; well, I'd rather have Bob for my neighbor than you, Mad-Hatter.
| Quote: | He claims to be libertarian but the first line on their "What we Believe"
homepage is "Libertarians believe that you have the right to live your life
as you wish, without the government interfering -- as long as you don't
violate the rights of others." AS LONG AS YOU DON"T VIOLATE THE RIGHTS OF
OTHERS. CopyRIGHTS give rights to the owner of the work but Bob has no
problem with people breaking that persons rights. These a word for this,
Hippocrisy!
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And I enjoy certain freedom rights and privacy rights. Am I going to
give up these precious "intangibles" just because those damn Hollywood
FrankenSTEINs think this copyright power-play will add a bit more gold
into their monstrous coffers? I vote NO, Bro'. Not in my home - not in
my country.
| Quote: | It is pointless to continue to waste our time replying to a person who
refuses to admit things that are in writing on the governments copyright
laws, and on the homepage of the very religion on which he claims to believe
in.
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Religious/Rightous ferver can be so ... Muslim.
| Quote: | Bob's going to be added to the troll list with the others that are a waste
of my time.
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I think you might have to add my name as well, Mad-Hatter.
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Gary
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| Quote: | I went to a sales meeting at the request of the organiser. it cost me £29
petrol. I spent 3 hours filming the event. I spent 6 hours editing it
and then copied 10 to cdr to supply at £5 (That was implied as the
potential) . to cover costs.
The area managers bought 1 each that was 3 gone. they copied it for their
teams. (30 copies at cost to them). I WAS ROBBED. it cost me more than
£15 to make and I was told £5 was a fair cost. but I wont do it again.
this was 3 years ago and blanks were £2 in Tesco. SVP about £1
That is the effect of piracy. this is a true story. ( anybody want a
training disk 7 only left)
If you were doing this at the request of the organiser, why didn't you
charge him for your time at the very beginning? If this was not possible,
you should have arranged for a package deal at a price for the entire set
of 30 discs. By setting the price per disc, you essentially encouraged
the area manager to compare your price with the price of a pirate copy.
Norm Strong
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Gary
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Garyspam@spamasmailorder.com> wrote:
"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:02:32 -0500, "SBFan2000"
mocaveboyNOSP#M@glenngriffith.com> wrote:
By breaking that copyright law you are Stealing the work from the
copyright
owner.
Nonsense.
If you own a lawnmover and I steal it, you no longer have a lawnmower.
If you copyright an item and I infringe on that copyright, you still
have the item.
You need to learn how to use a dictionary.
--
"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
--Albert Einstein
I went to a sales meeting at the request of the organiser. it cost me £29
petrol. I spent 3 hours filming the event. I spent 6 hours editing it and
then copied 10 to cdr to supply at £5 (That was implied as the potential)
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to cover costs.
The area managers bought 1 each that was 3 gone. they copied it for their
teams. (30 copies at cost to them). I WAS ROBBED. it cost me more than £15
to make and I was told £5 was a fair cost. but I wont do it again. this
was
3 years ago and blanks were £2 in Tesco. SVP about £1
That is the effect of piracy. this is a true story. ( anybody want a
training disk 7 only left)
The fact that you did not lose those 7 discs tells us that nothing was
stolen.
You mistakenly expected to sell all 10 discs. Now you know better.
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The only reason I did not was because someone pirated my disks I should have
sold 33.
I was not an entrepreneur. I was doing a friend a favour. I was not in it to
make a profit.
It is obvious from the way you phrase your posts that either you are thick,
friendless, or just a wind up merchant.
You have lost the argument and are now just being contrary.
This reduces any validty of any future posts. ON ANY SUBJECT.
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If everytime an entrepreneur got his ass burned people started
whining, nothing productive would ever get done.
--
"The scientist is possessed by a rapturous amazement at the
harmony of natural law, which reveals an intelligence of such
superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking
and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.
"This feeling is the guiding principle of his life and work,
in so far as he succeeds in keeping himself from the shackles
of selfish desire. It is beyond question closely akin to that
which has possessed the religious geniuses of all ages."
--Albert Einstein |
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Gary
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| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:45:06 -0500, "SBFan2000"
weareborgNOSP#M@wcnet.org> wrote:
One, if in fact you don't copyright infringe then I apoligize for implying
you did. Based on your posts, what conclusion was I suppose to come to?
You are supposed to know I am a Jesuitical Heathen.
If fact, I don't really care who does or doesn't infringe on copyrights as
long as its not mine :-), its not my business. What is annoying is when
people that do infringe make up these magicical reasons why its not
stealing.
That's because it is not stealing. It is infringement. When someone
copies a copyrighted piece, the owner of the copyright has lost
nothing - nothing has been taken. You might argue that he has lost the
opportunity to make money from the sale of his item, but that assumes
that the pirate would buy it if he was unable to pirate it.
People who are capable of buying something usually do not pirate it.
Pirates are those who are not capable of buying the item, so it is
extremely unlikely that they won't buy it if it is otherwise
unavailable.
Now here's the real irony of this whole stupid thing. A large software
company named Borland produced a copyrighted Pascal Compiler called
Turbo Pascal. But they did not enforce the copyright, and actually
made it available to college student free of charge. Others were
required to pay for it.
Borland was able to sell *more* copies of Turbo Pascal by that genius
marketing strategy for the same reason IBM was able to sell more
computers by giving the major universities new computers free.
It was noted that during the heyday of Napster sales of music actually
increased, and when Napster was shut down, sales fell off noticably.
Here's the reason why all of the above is possible. By having more
copies of something in the market more people buy it than would
otherwise. If you never heard an album and I pirate it and play it for
you, and you want the official album for yourself - and you can afford
to buy it - then you likely will buy it. I have acted as a free
advertisement by playing the pirated copy and enticed my friend to buy
it.
The idiot lawyers, in their consumate greed, actually screwed up sales
by tampering with the natural behavior of markets.
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AlanG
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On Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:06:49 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:45:06 -0500, "SBFan2000"
weareborgNOSP#M@wcnet.org> wrote:
One, if in fact you don't copyright infringe then I apoligize for implying
you did. Based on your posts, what conclusion was I suppose to come to?
You are supposed to know I am a Jesuitical Heathen.
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