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Cathy
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

I thought maybe some of you battery fans might be interested in the
article below which was on CityTV Toronto today on a local news website.

Cathy

"October 25, 2005,

Canon is working on a new way to power high-tech devices that could
spell the end of traditional batteries.

The Japanese company has developed small fuel cells for use in some of
its digital cameras and computer printers - it hopes to have the
technology ready for the market in three years.

Toshiba, NEC and Hitachi are also working on similar fuel cell batteries
for the next wave of consumer electronics - which could be used in
mobile devices, phones, and laptop computers.

Fuel-cell technology combines hydrogen and oxygen to generate
electricity, and is seen as a likely replacement for today's models of
lithium-ion batteries.

Canon is one of the globe's top manufacturers of photocopiers and
cameras - it's looking for new areas of growth as the digital camera
market begins to cool down.

While most current fuel cell development employs devices that take
hydrogen from methanol, Canon wants to be able to supply hydrogen
directly from a refillable cartridge.

The company argues the system would be more earth-friendly, since
deriving hydrogen from methanol gives off a byproduct of carbon dioxide.
Hydrogen-only fuel cells don't.

There are three prototypes so far, of different sizes - the largest
would likely be used in a printer, the next would fit a digital camera,
and the smallest - measuring only 3 cm by 4 cm - is meant for smaller
mobile devices.

Another potential benefit to fuel cell batteries is that they're
expected to last longer than their lithium-ion counterparts.

Still, it could be awhile before they make it to market - the prototypes
have to be tested, and Canon still has to decide how to sell it,
although it'll probably entail refilling the cartridges at company
outlets. "

CityTV, Toronto,Canada.

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Alan Meyer
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:54 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

Fuel cells have several advantages that I'm aware of:

1. Higher energy density.

Articles I have read claim that fuel cells have double the
energy density of the best known battery technology. For
a given weight, you can get more usage from your camera,
cell phone, I-Pod, or whatever.

2. Fast recharge.

If you have a cylinder of hydrogen, you can refill your
fuel cell in whatever time it takes to attach it to the
cylinder and open the valve. No waiting 30 minutes
or 15 hours, or whatever your recharger requires, to
fill up a battery.

3. Independence from electricity sources.

If you go on a trip in the Amazon, or Antartica, or the Congo
and are out of touch with electric power, you can bring a
pound or two of hydrogen in a cylinder and possibly get
tens of thousands of images from your camera with it
(now where did I put my 200 GB memory card :-)

For most camera uses, batteries are probably cheaper,
easier to deal with, and more convenient. But the fuel
cell technology is worth exploring and may find some
application.

Alan
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Rich
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:38 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

Better be careful. Knowing Canon's first attempts at things,
the batteries would probably leak hydrogen into the camera,
causing it to explode like a bomb!
-Rich
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Ron Hunter
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

Cathy wrote:
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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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Cathy wrote:
"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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Cathy wrote:
I thought maybe some of you battery fans might be interested in
the
article below which was on CityTV Toronto today on a local news
website.

Wonder what they plan to do with the water generated by hydrogen
fuel
cells. I really don't think I want my camera or cell phone to make
a
puddle on my foot. Grin.
Haha Ron . Thats funny.

Cathy

Maybe a drop or two down the neck would get some people off the cell
phone. NAWWWW.

I'd like to do more than that to some of them especially if I am behind
their vehicle when making a left turn at a busy intersection and they
are weaving around because they are on a cell phone and not paying
attention.

Cathy

I know what you mean. Around here it is common to see someone driving a

3 ton SUV at 75 MPH with a cell phone attached to his/her ear.... Scary!


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Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net
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Ron Hunter
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

(PeteCresswell) wrote:
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Per Rich:
Better be careful. Knowing Canon's first attempts at things,
the batteries would probably leak hydrogen into the camera,
causing it to explode like a bomb!

The cells I was hearing about something like a year ago were to be
alcohol-fueled. Anybody know that happened to that idea?

Someone drank the alcohol, so they couldn't test them?


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Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net
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ASAAR
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

On 27 Oct 2005 12:36:47 -0700, y_p_w wrote:

Quote:
I've got a couple of Grundig hand-crank radios. It's kind of a fun
thing to have handy, although I typically use NiMH AAs.

However - I once saw a piece on US Army troops in Iraq. They were
cranking it up one of these Grundig radios before listening. I
suppose one could get alkaline AAs, but it might be handy to have
a hand crank radio if batteries run scarce every now and then.

I agree that they're fun gadgets, and I considered getting the
Grundig a couple of years ago but its quality seemed a bit lacking,
at least compared to Sony's ICF-B200 generator radio. It's smaller
than the Grundig but much more rugged, has excellent audio for such
a small radio, has a smooth, precise, backlash free vernier tuner,
and has very good sensitivity and selectivity on both AM and FM. I
don't know which version of the Grundig the troops had, but it would
have been fitting if it was the one with the "camouflage" design. :)


Quote:
I also wonder exactly what that kind of intense heat does for
battery storage life or the life of the rechargeable cells.

Probably shortens the life somewhat, but alkalines have a long
shelf life of about 8 years, so if they lose a year or two due to
high temperatures that shouldn't be a real problem. For temperature
extremes, lithium AA batteries are the ones to get. Many people are
aware that they're recommended for use at low temperatures (down to
40º below zero), but most people don't realize that they're also
rated for operation at temperatures as high as 140º F.
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(PeteCresswell)
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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

Per Rich:
Quote:
Better be careful. Knowing Canon's first attempts at things,
the batteries would probably leak hydrogen into the camera,
causing it to explode like a bomb!

The cells I was hearing about something like a year ago were to be
alcohol-fueled. Anybody know that happened to that idea?
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PeteCresswell
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Rich
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:32:24 -0700, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid>
wrote:

Quote:
Per Rich:
Better be careful. Knowing Canon's first attempts at things,
the batteries would probably leak hydrogen into the camera,
causing it to explode like a bomb!

The cells I was hearing about something like a year ago were to be
alcohol-fueled. Anybody know that happened to that idea?

I'd put it right up there with breakthroughs in nanotechnology.
Lots of talk, very little result. See: Ballard Power for
a history of fuel cells.
-Rich
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(PeteCresswell)
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Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 4:40 am    Post subject: Re: New type batteries for the future? Reply with quote

Per Ron Hunter:
Quote:
I know what you mean. Around here it is common to see someone driving a
3 ton SUV at 75 MPH with a cell phone attached to his/her ear.... Scary!

They used to scare me.

Now it's the ones that look tb doing email on their Blackberries that really get
to me...
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PeteCresswell
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