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Jona Vark
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Because Liquid Edition uses is so very
memory intensive it might trigger issues that you have that other software
doesn't trigger.
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LOL!
sorry.. that's not really the way computers work..
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TonyP
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject:
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Donald Link wrote:
| Quote: | Where is your sense of adventure?????
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:10:19 -0500, TonyP <arpierre@hooptonline.net
wrote:
Considering that 10 is suppose to have the "backbone" of Liquid Edition,
it should be a lot more stable than what I have read. I use Liquid 6.1
Pro with no problems. And since, with 10, you could swap media without
having to re-render, I thought that it might be good having 10. I have
the 'itch', but haven't scratched it yet. I'll wait a while on 10.
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Donald.. I do have sense of adventure, but my days of being a Beta
Tester for anything are now over. And... with the advent of Avid Liquid
coming out, I'll pass on the Studio 10. |
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TonyP
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject:
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Jona Vark wrote:
| Quote: | That's also a problem with Pinnacle stuff.. They seem to be unable to write
low level drivers that don;t have the ability to trash entire systems. I
recall trying to install a crappy DC2000 on a system and the failure mode
was to render the OS unusable and required a complete OS reinstall.
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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Wow... the DC2000.. how long ago was that product out? And how many
people had no problem with it? I have yet to have any software make my
computer unusable. I am not saying that it can't happen, but that it
hasn't happened to me. As for Liquid Edition, I read the forums several
times a week and have yet to read ANYTHING like this happening.
Yes, people do have problems and post them there, but there are those
that post their successes and videos.
You have a problem with that product. You seem to not like Pinnacle at
all. That is your "right". But I have yet to read a message from you in
the Liquid forums. |
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Jona Vark
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 1:40 am Post subject:
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"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jona Vark wrote:
That's also a problem with Pinnacle stuff.. They seem to be unable to
write
low level drivers that don;t have the ability to trash entire systems. I
recall trying to install a crappy DC2000 on a system and the failure
mode
was to render the OS unusable and required a complete OS reinstall.
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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Wow... the DC2000.. how long ago was that product out? And how many
people had no problem with it? I have yet to have any software make my
computer unusable. I am not saying that it can't happen, but that it
hasn't happened to me. As for Liquid Edition, I read the forums several
times a week and have yet to read ANYTHING like this happening.
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Oh Please.. give it up already. No one believes you anyway.
BTW.. the DC2000 came out when the DV500 came out.
It was shit and Pinnacle support knew it.
| Quote: | Yes, people do have problems and post them there, but there are those
that post their successes and videos.
You have a problem with that product. You seem to not like Pinnacle at
all. That is your "right". But I have yet to read a message from you in
the Liquid forums.
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Why would I post in the Liquid forums?. I don't own any Pinnacle gear..
Never , ever have. My experience is from trying to help other poor suckers
out. We use Premiere Pro, Avid and iccasionally FCP here. No toys.
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TonyP
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Jona Vark wrote:
| Quote: | "TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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Jona Vark wrote:
That's also a problem with Pinnacle stuff.. They seem to be unable to write
low level drivers that don;t have the ability to trash entire systems. I
recall trying to install a crappy DC2000 on a system and the failure mode
was to render the OS unusable and required a complete OS reinstall.
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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Wow... the DC2000.. how long ago was that product out? And how many
people had no problem with it? I have yet to have any software make my
computer unusable. I am not saying that it can't happen, but that it
hasn't happened to me. As for Liquid Edition, I read the forums several
times a week and have yet to read ANYTHING like this happening.
Oh Please.. give it up already. No one believes you anyway.
BTW.. the DC2000 came out when the DV500 came out.
It was shit and Pinnacle support knew it.
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Really, I guess you know that for a fact. You should give it up already.
| Quote: | Yes, people do have problems and post them there, but there are those
that post their successes and videos.
You have a problem with that product. You seem to not like Pinnacle at
all. That is your "right". But I have yet to read a message from you in
the Liquid forums.
Why would I post in the Liquid forums?. I don't own any Pinnacle gear..
Never , ever have. My experience is from trying to help other poor suckers
out. We use Premiere Pro, Avid and iccasionally FCP here. No toys.
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So, you are speaking of what you have no real knowledge of then.
Figures. As for toys, it's the person that has to know how to edit. The
software is just a tool. But then, you knew that already.
When you have current experience with the products you talk about
(current Pinnacle), then I "might" listen. As I said, I don't remember
ever seeing you in the Pinnacle forums. Oh, that's right, you don't use
any of their products, yet, speak against what you have not used.
FCP has it's problems. Avid (who in the wisdom bought Pinnacle) have
their problems. And.. so does Premeire. |
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Jona Vark
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Sat Nov 05, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject:
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"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So, you are speaking of what you have no real knowledge of then.
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no.. I have intimate knowledge of it. I am smart enough not to try and use
Pinnacle stuff in my own shop. Others who have tried have required my help
to get the crap working..
| Quote: | Figures. As for toys, it's the person that has to know how to edit. The
software is just a tool. But then, you knew that already.
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To a point that is true. But first the software has to actually work first.
| Quote: | When you have current experience with the products you talk about
(current Pinnacle), then I "might" listen.
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I don't care a hoot if you 'listen' or not. At this point I am just playing
with you anyway. As far as 'current' Pinnacle. .the horror stories are
everywhere.
| Quote: | As I said, I don't remember
ever seeing you in the Pinnacle forums.
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You can't see me in this forum either.
| Quote: | Oh, that's right, you don't use
any of their products, yet, speak against what you have not used.
FCP has it's problems. Avid (who in the wisdom bought Pinnacle) have
their problems. And.. so does Premeire.
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yet? give me a break. My tools are professional tools. Not toys. I have
over $100k invested in my rooms and I wouldn't waste my time putting
anything Pinnacle in any of them. We're certainly in a different league.
Avid bought Pinnacle because it was failing and had just sold off some of
its holdings, like Steinberg to become more attractive. All they wanted was
Liquid. It is cheaper than creating another app from the ground up. Avid's
interface, while successful, is very old.
I remember a certain Pinnacle rep that frequented this NG a couple years
ago. I won't mention his name but he was pretty much shamed out of here.
Don't get so emotional about your choice of software. Whatever point you are
trying to make.. isn't coming across. But we're all glad you're standing up
for Pinnacle. They need someone to do it.
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AnthonyR
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Wed Nov 09, 2005 10:19 pm Post subject:
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"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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Because Liquid Edition uses is so very
memory intensive it might trigger issues that you have that other
software
doesn't trigger.
LOL!
sorry.. that's not really the way computers work..
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LOL... I just read this reply Jona,
Are you sure?
I've been repairing computers since I built my for 8088 PC back in 1992
before the 286 Intel CPU.
When you have a bad memory chip it won't effect the PC until something
actually accesses that memory address.
So many times people can run a PC just fine for years with bad memory
modules and only have occasional blue screen of death errors when they have
multiple programs open and access certain part of the memory not normally
used.
:)
When diagnosis memory issues (very difficult in most cases) memory intensive
programs need to be run for days sometimes that
read and write to every single address in the memory module over and over.
(Heat issues effect them also).
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Roberto Divia
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 3:39 pm Post subject:
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AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | I've been repairing computers since I built my for 8088 PC back in 1992
before the 286 Intel CPU.
When you have a bad memory chip it won't effect the PC until something
actually accesses that memory address.
So many times people can run a PC just fine for years with bad memory
modules and only have occasional blue screen of death errors when they have
multiple programs open and access certain part of the memory not normally
used.
:)
When diagnosis memory issues (very difficult in most cases) memory intensive
programs need to be run for days sometimes that
read and write to every single address in the memory module over and over.
(Heat issues effect them also).
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I agree 100% with Anthony. Not only, specific tests exists for errors that
occur only when writing in certain patterns. IEEE puplished several of them.
You can write to a memory chip the same pattern over and over without
problems until you change of pattern and... *BANG*!
Windows has a very conservative approach with memory. If this is not needed,
it is not used. Linux works the other way around: it uses as much memory as
possible, in case this is needed. With Linux it is much easier to spot and
to suffer from memory problems. I had several experiences with memory
failure working with Linux.
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Jona Vark
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Thu Nov 10, 2005 10:21 pm Post subject:
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eM5af.10203$u43.6370@twister.nyc.rr.com...
Because Liquid Edition uses is so very
memory intensive it might trigger issues that you have that other
software
doesn't trigger.
LOL!
sorry.. that's not really the way computers work..
LOL... I just read this reply Jona,
Are you sure?
I've been repairing computers since I built my for 8088 PC back in 1992
before the 286 Intel CPU.
When you have a bad memory chip it won't effect the PC until something
actually accesses that memory address.
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I have been designing and building computers since about '78. No that's not
how they work. Memory is not necessarily allocated from the bottom up. At
any point you can be using any portion of memory. The assertion that some
program will 'tax' a computer more than others is an analogy to mechanical
devices that isn't relevant. |
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AnthonyR
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
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"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
news:ukhaf.12162$tV6.4196@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
"AnthonyR" <nomail@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:eM5af.10203$u43.6370@twister.nyc.rr.com...
Because Liquid Edition uses is so very
memory intensive it might trigger issues that you have that other
software
doesn't trigger.
LOL!
sorry.. that's not really the way computers work..
LOL... I just read this reply Jona,
Are you sure?
I've been repairing computers since I built my for 8088 PC back in 1992
before the 286 Intel CPU.
When you have a bad memory chip it won't effect the PC until something
actually accesses that memory address.
I have been designing and building computers since about '78. No that's
not
how they work. Memory is not necessarily allocated from the bottom up. At
any point you can be using any portion of memory. The assertion that some
program will 'tax' a computer more than others is an analogy to mechanical
devices that isn't relevant.
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Jona, really? mechanical devices?
Then why are RAM checking programs designed to run consecutive read and
writes to memory
address' over and over so to detect errors that only occur in certain
patterns or with extreme usage
and higher temperature that comes from extreme ram usage?
So memory intensive programs (photshop, 3d apps etc) DON'T tax memory is
what you are saying?
I have fixed quite a few blue screen of death problems and most were memory
related but then again
I haven't been designing and building PC's since 1978 like you. :)
what did you start with the Zeus, what was that kit computer called that was
out in 1980?
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AnthonyR
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Sun Nov 13, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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"Jona Vark" <noemail@all.com> wrote in message
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I have been designing and building computers since about '78. No that's
not
how they work. Memory is not necessarily allocated from the bottom up. At
any point you can be using any portion of memory. The assertion that some
program will 'tax' a computer more than others is an analogy to mechanical
devices that isn't relevant.
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OK you made me question myself for a second, lol
I did a quick google and found this page:
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1565
and this is from it, check out no. 3.
Signs of bad memory: 1. Starts Smoking, 2. Becomes Moody...
The indicators of faulty memory are legion, but let's start with a few
common ones. From the top:
1.. Blue screens during the install procedure of Windows 2000 or XP. This
is one of the surest signs of faulty memory.
2.. Random crashes or blue screens during the running of 2000 or XP. Note
that heat can also be a culprit in the case of general flakiness like this,
so you should test for that possibility too.
3.. Crashes during memory intensive operations. 3D games, benchmarks,
compiling, Photoshop, etc.
4.. Distorted graphics on screen. This can also be related to the video
card.
5.. Failure to boot. This can be accompanied by repeated long beeps, which
is the accepted BIOS beep code for a memory problem. In this circumstance,
you cannot test the memory with diagnostic software, so your only option is
testing by replacement, either at home or at your computer dealer.
Memory intensive software causing computer crashes is a big issue with bad
memory.
And as I said earlier pinnacle Liquid Edition is very memory intensive
taking over the entire desktop and graphic
system of a PC, so naturally someone with a bad memory stick would
experience problems using it where
they might not see these memory issues with a different piece of software.
I didn't think I was saying anything so controversial, Jona. And I am not
stating definitively that memory issues
are what you experienced with Liquid Edition or defending Pinnacle, I was
just offering a suggestion of something to check for.
You know me, always just trying to be helpful :)
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