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TonyP
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject:
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Jona Vark wrote:
| Quote: | "TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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Very seldom do I read of someone praising a product. You will always
find more complaints listed than praise. That is a fact of life.
Again, go to ANY forum for just about ANY product and you will see
complaints or "help" questions.
nice try.. but it's the QUANTITY of people who have to come to NGs like this
one to either get help or release frustration.
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The statement still stands. You will read about the problems, not about
the non-problems. As for the quantity... again, when you sell the most
(Studio), you will have the most complaints. Go to the forums of the
"other" products and see if you don't see complaints/problems. I haven't
noticed the "quantity" of complaints here as compared to other products.
I do agree with you that Studio 10 (which offers a lot of features)
seems to be having a very very rough start. I have not taken the
"upgrade" from 9+ for that reason. I question how a product could make
it past beta testing to the public with the users have many issues.
| Quote: | I'll let the products speak for themselves Tony....
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It has. And for me, it speaks (DV500, Studio 9, Liquid Edition 6.1 Pro)
very well.
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Specs
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject:
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"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jona Vark wrote:
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
news:nKP7f.10973$rE2.4652@fe10.lga...
Very seldom do I read of someone praising a product. You will always
find more complaints listed than praise. That is a fact of life.
Again, go to ANY forum for just about ANY product and you will see
complaints or "help" questions.
nice try.. but it's the QUANTITY of people who have to come to NGs like
this
one to either get help or release frustration.
The statement still stands. You will read about the problems, not about
the non-problems. As for the quantity... again, when you sell the most
(Studio), you will have the most complaints. Go to the forums of the
"other" products and see if you don't see complaints/problems. I haven't
noticed the "quantity" of complaints here as compared to other products.
I do agree with you that Studio 10 (which offers a lot of features)
seems to be having a very very rough start. I have not taken the
"upgrade" from 9+ for that reason. I question how a product could make
it past beta testing to the public with the users have many issues.
I'll let the products speak for themselves Tony....
It has. And for me, it speaks (DV500, Studio 9, Liquid Edition 6.1 Pro)
very well.
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If you buy a NLE that costs less than a good night out on the beer then you
deserve all the problems you get especially if its from Pinnacle. When you
buy a "product" that cheap you know you've signed up as a public beta tester
hence all the distress calls to fora and newsgroups.
Just say no, kids........... |
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Fri Oct 28, 2005 12:33 am Post subject:
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Well, I finally got 9.4.x to run as good as it can on my system. It is
slugglish when adding clips and transitions but it rarely crashes and
it completes rendering 100%.
So, stay away from 10 eh?
Also, will the same unlock codes for 9 work with 10? |
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TonyP
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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brianwolters@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | Well, I finally got 9.4.x to run as good as it can on my system. It is
slugglish when adding clips and transitions but it rarely crashes and
it completes rendering 100%.
So, stay away from 10 eh?
Also, will the same unlock codes for 9 work with 10?
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I have read of speed issues with Studio, but a lot of it is dependant on
the computer you have. I have stayed away from upgrading to 10 until a
lot of the reported issues have been resolved. I have yet to read a
positive report on their forums for the product.
As for the unlock codes, that I couldn't answer.
With all that 10 has to offer, it is a shame that so many have had
problems with it. IF I decide to bite the bullet, I'll install it on a
separate computer. I don't want any software trashing my main computer. |
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Donald Link
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 5:41 am Post subject:
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Usually it is the other way around in that other programs trash
Pinnacle. Besides Pinnacle has no balls just a very decent program.
The unlock code for 9 will not work for 10. It is a whole new
upgrade.
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:27:03 -0500, TonyP <arpierre@hooptonline.net>
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| Quote: | brianwolters@gmail.com wrote:
Well, I finally got 9.4.x to run as good as it can on my system. It is
slugglish when adding clips and transitions but it rarely crashes and
it completes rendering 100%.
So, stay away from 10 eh?
Also, will the same unlock codes for 9 work with 10?
I have read of speed issues with Studio, but a lot of it is dependant on
the computer you have. I have stayed away from upgrading to 10 until a
lot of the reported issues have been resolved. I have yet to read a
positive report on their forums for the product.
As for the unlock codes, that I couldn't answer.
With all that 10 has to offer, it is a shame that so many have had
problems with it. IF I decide to bite the bullet, I'll install it on a
separate computer. I don't want any software trashing my main computer. |
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Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject:
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Steve Pankow wrote:
| Quote: | Avid may make good products but believe me they aren't perfect either.
Visit their newly redesigned user forums and check out the complaints -
there's lots of them.
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However, there's a difference. Avid Xpress Pro has bugs, but Liquid
Edition crashes, spontaneously reboots my PC, stops the PC from
shutting down cleanly (it just hangs with a blank screen at some point
in the shutdown process) and corrupts the boot disk (it seems to take a
particular delight in destroying Mozilla bookmarks, for some reason).
I'm so glad that Avid have released their HDV support and I don't have
to use Edition anymore...
Mark |
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Donald Link
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:32 am Post subject:
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You will probably screw up Avid and be bitching again.
On 31 Oct 2005 04:14:17 -0800, mmaker@my-deja.com wrote:
| Quote: | Steve Pankow wrote:
Avid may make good products but believe me they aren't perfect either.
Visit their newly redesigned user forums and check out the complaints -
there's lots of them.
However, there's a difference. Avid Xpress Pro has bugs, but Liquid
Edition crashes, spontaneously reboots my PC, stops the PC from
shutting down cleanly (it just hangs with a blank screen at some point
in the shutdown process) and corrupts the boot disk (it seems to take a
particular delight in destroying Mozilla bookmarks, for some reason).
I'm so glad that Avid have released their HDV support and I don't have
to use Edition anymore...
Mark |
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 4:35 am Post subject:
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Donald Link wrote:
| Quote: | You will probably screw up Avid and be bitching again.
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Ah, of course: it's not that Pinnacle release crappy, bug-ridden
software, it's just 'bitching' when it reboots my machine and trashes
the hard drive.
Mark |
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TonyP
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:10 am Post subject:
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Donald Link wrote:
| Quote: | Usually it is the other way around in that other programs trash
Pinnacle. Besides Pinnacle has no balls just a very decent program.
The unlock code for 9 will not work for 10. It is a whole new
upgrade.
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Considering that 10 is suppose to have the "backbone" of Liquid Edition,
it should be a lot more stable than what I have read. I use Liquid 6.1
Pro with no problems. And since, with 10, you could swap media without
having to re-render, I thought that it might be good having 10. I have
the 'itch', but haven't scratched it yet. I'll wait a while on 10. |
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TonyP
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Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:12 am Post subject:
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maker@my-deja.com wrote:
| Quote: | Donald Link wrote:
You will probably screw up Avid and be bitching again.
Ah, of course: it's not that Pinnacle release crappy, bug-ridden
software, it's just 'bitching' when it reboots my machine and trashes
the hard drive.
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I have read of problems, but never this one. Have you listed it in the
Pinnacle forums? |
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Jona Vark
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:
Re: Pinnacle really has balls |
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"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Jona Vark wrote:
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
news:nKP7f.10973$rE2.4652@fe10.lga...
Very seldom do I read of someone praising a product. You will always
find more complaints listed than praise. That is a fact of life.
Again, go to ANY forum for just about ANY product and you will see
complaints or "help" questions.
nice try.. but it's the QUANTITY of people who have to come to NGs like
this
one to either get help or release frustration.
The statement still stands. You will read about the problems, not about
the non-problems. As for the quantity... again, when you sell the most
(Studio), you will have the most complaints.
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MacDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers too. Regardless .. it is still crap.
Where do you get this 'sells the most' stuff? It is entry level , poorly
coded underdeveloped crap. |
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Jona Vark
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 2:28 am Post subject:
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That's also a problem with Pinnacle stuff.. They seem to be unable to write
low level drivers that don;t have the ability to trash entire systems. I
recall trying to install a crappy DC2000 on a system and the failure mode
was to render the OS unusable and required a complete OS reinstall.
"TonyP" <arpierre@hooptonline.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | maker@my-deja.com wrote:
Donald Link wrote:
You will probably screw up Avid and be bitching again.
Ah, of course: it's not that Pinnacle release crappy, bug-ridden
software, it's just 'bitching' when it reboots my machine and trashes
the hard drive.
I have read of problems, but never this one. Have you listed it in the
Pinnacle forums?
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Donald Link
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:38 am Post subject:
Re: Pinnacle really has balls |
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Where is your sense of adventure?????
On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:10:19 -0500, TonyP <arpierre@hooptonline.net>
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Considering that 10 is suppose to have the "backbone" of Liquid Edition,
it should be a lot more stable than what I have read. I use Liquid 6.1
Pro with no problems. And since, with 10, you could swap media without
having to re-render, I thought that it might be good having 10. I have
the 'itch', but haven't scratched it yet. I'll wait a while on 10. |
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AnthonyR
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject:
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<mmaker@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Donald Link wrote:
You will probably screw up Avid and be bitching again.
Ah, of course: it's not that Pinnacle release crappy, bug-ridden
software, it's just 'bitching' when it reboots my machine and trashes
the hard drive.
Mark
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Mark,
Don't be so quick to blame a particular piece of software for hardware
issues, i have been doing computer troubleshooting many years and seen first
hand on my own systems that spontaneous reboots and other issues are almost
always some type of hardware issue, either bad memory chips or other problem
that doesn't show up all the time. Because Liquid Edition uses is so very
memory intensive it might trigger issues that you have that other software
doesn't trigger.
Nothing is 100% for sure, just keep an open mind. It will help you
understand better in the future. :)
AnthonyR. |
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Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject:
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AnthonyR wrote:
| Quote: | Don't be so quick to blame a particular piece of software for hardware
issues, i have been doing computer troubleshooting many years and seen first
hand on my own systems that spontaneous reboots and other issues are almost
always some type of hardware issue,
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I do 3D animation, games, DV and HD video editing in Avid Xpress Pro
HD, HD compositing and more on this system, with pretty much total
stability. Liquid Edition, and only Liquid Edition, causes spontaneous
reboots and trashes the hard drives.
I think it's fairly clear what the culprit is.
Mark |
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