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Jiyang
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:
Behringer B2 pro vs. Rode Nt5 |
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Which of these is best for recording a piano? Any other suggested
products within the price range?
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Mike T.
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Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject:
Re: Behringer B2 pro vs. Rode Nt5 |
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On 22 Oct 2005 14:57:00 -0700, "Jiyang" <jiyangchen2004@yahoo.com>
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| Quote: | Which of these is best for recording a piano? Any other suggested
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I have been happy with a pair of NT5. I have an older pair of Oktava
MC012 that I like even better. However, when buying Oktava, you must
be careful about your source. I have heard that there are Chinese
counterfeits being marketed by well-known American corporations.
In this price range, I also like the AT3031, but I have not tried it
on piano.
If it's solo piano in a good room, try the mics as an ORTF pair, put
the lid on the big stick, and move back until you like the balance
between direct and room sound.
Acoustic piano can have some outrageous transients that must be
captured without distortion. And distortion can be really obvious on
solo piano. In other words, you will need good preamps with low noise,
low distortion, broad, flat frequency response, and plenty of
headroom. You have to be able to capture the notes, AND the silence
between the notes.
I do not like large-diaphragm condensers on piano. Not even really
expensive ones. Though I have heard some good recordings made with old
AKG C12 and C24 microphones. Maybe they had magic.
Sorry, you asked a simple question and I gave you a shovel full of
opinion. That's r.a.p for you. Oh, well, have fun!
Mike T. |
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Jiyang
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:15 am Post subject:
Re: Behringer B2 pro vs. Rode Nt5 |
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Thanks for the information. I think I'll go with the NT5. Regarding
"good preamp with low noise, etc.." is a tascam us-22122 adequate? I'm
also looking at similarily priced such as the edirol ua-25. Also,
m-audio.
J |
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Bob Cain
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Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:09 am Post subject:
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Jiyang wrote:
| Quote: | Thanks for the information. I think I'll go with the NT5. Regarding
"good preamp with low noise, etc.." is a tascam us-22122 adequate?
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I think you mean the US-122.
I've forgotton what you want to use the result for so can't
answer that but I can say that I've measured the noise EIN
to be about -126 dBu which is pretty darned good. I've also
measured the frequency response and, while I can't find the
result of that right now, it was well flat to within a few
tenths of a dB across the band. The distortion wasn't that
great compared to more expensive units, about .02% at 1 kHz
IIRC, but that's still damned good compared to loudspeakers.
The gain of the US-122 is not much more than 40 dB which is
it's main limitation and makes it most useful for relatively
high sensitivity condenser mics. I've not tried it with
something like a SM57 but would expect to find the gain wanting.
I've used it for close guitar micing and for loud single
point stereo with mics having a sensitvity of about -45 dB
and that required full gain. With close vocals on the same
mics gain was down somewhat from max.
Bob
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Jack Tozzi
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Thu Oct 27, 2005 4:11 am Post subject:
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Hello,
I own both of these mics, the Rodes will be more laid back with a rolled-off
top end. The Berhingers will be more dynamic and open sounding, but
remember they have a noticable boost in the 8k-12K range that might make the
sound too bright and forward, depending on the piano and the room. I think
these are both great mics in their class and either will do well, it just
depends on the sound you're looking for.
Regards,
Jack Tozzi
"Jiyang" <jiyangchen2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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svendesign
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Thu Nov 03, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:
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For piano both of those mics are amateur quality in my opinion. use Oktava
mc-012's they are far superior.
here are the considerations for piano... it mostly a midrange frequency
instrument. meaning it isn't overly bassy nor is it overly treble. you don't
want something that hypes the upper register for recording piano because
that will make it brittle sounding and you don't want something that muddies
the lower register either. fast settling time is important in a mic. you
want something that has really accurate mids and a rich tone quality. the
behringer mics are a bit plastic sounding. the rodes have very little
personality to the point of boring.
personality doesn't mean inaccurate by any means... I think DPA mics and
Earthworks mics also have personality. but the Oktava's enhance the piano
tone depending again on what preamp is used. you can pick up Oktava's for
$100 to $150 a piece. I own a lot of them and use them all the time.
Kristian
SAE
Svennevig Audio Engineering
in article b2U7f.16103$Io4.6321@trnddc06, Jack Tozzi at
JTozzi@SpearitSound.com wrote on 10/26/05 17:11:
| Quote: | Hello,
I own both of these mics, the Rodes will be more laid back with a rolled-off
top end. The Berhingers will be more dynamic and open sounding, but
remember they have a noticable boost in the 8k-12K range that might make the
sound too bright and forward, depending on the piano and the room. I think
these are both great mics in their class and either will do well, it just
depends on the sound you're looking for.
Regards,
Jack Tozzi
"Jiyang" <jiyangchen2004@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Geoff@work
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Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:20 am Post subject:
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"svendesign" <svendesign@usa.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | For piano both of those mics are amateur quality in my opinion. use Oktava
mc-012's they are far superior.
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I own both NT5s and MC012s and don't find one pro and the other amateur
quality.
geoff |
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